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I see this a lot too. A lot of us with dp are so upset that life is passing us by while everyone else is laughing or playing sports or whatever.

well, one of the symptoms of mental disorders is CERTAINTY on things that could NOT be more false.

I used to be CONVINCED that thinness equaled happiness and that NO one that was thinner than me had an eating disorder.

and well, being the uneducated gal i was, I obviously was too good to do the real research.

ok, guys. when you see people walking and laughing...and you think that it's because they are truly having an ecstatically good time, think for a minute.

to be able to laugh, to TRULY laugh and as deeply and uncontrollably as possible, takes going through great pain in life, through tragedy and through struggles and through letting go and admitting to your silliness and mortality and not taking the obviously painful world so seriously.

THAT is what laughter is.

Yeah you see kids laughing and playing. But can you compare that to the person who HAS to laugh? I will tell you, the person that HAS to laugh because he is in so much pain knows and loves the joy of his laughter, he laughs so hard and so honestly he is sometimes found doubled over on the ground with enough tears streaming out of his eyes to fill a shot glass. he is laughing so hard he loses motor function and makes the typically cynical people around him wonder why he is so joyously laughing. That kind of laughter he laughs can only be achieved by going through some very hard times.

He will feel for situations most people would not even consider, he would find joy in things most people would complain about, he would dare to do the things that most people would NEVER think of doing.

He is who you will be eventually. I know it sounds somewhat condescending to say that "oh this will make you stronger"...no, it will make you capable of SO much more emotion than you could ever imagine, and SO much more understanding and patience and ability than you could ever dream of having had before.

and maybe those people that are enjoying themselves SO well in your eyes, they're finding joy in very simple pleasures because they know how hard it is to find even ONE good moment in their OWN lives.

Do not judge them so. You cause an unfair disadvantage to them and you.

but people whom you see as REALLY enjoying themselves have probably been through quite unspeakable hell themselves.

think about how you see rich kids in high school who are either a bubbly, fake happy or deeply cynical or just kind of apathetic...they haven't usually experienced REAL loss or REAL pain, so their emotions are actually quite nil. they're still children.

they aren't in "love" because they haven't taken the incredible risks and made the incredible leaps and sacrifices it takes...they haven't had the mistakes and pain it takes before you find a good lover...

they haven't been truly happy, they're probably more worried about losing what they've got, or about how they can acquire more things...

Those people you see laughing their hardest, or making the most glorious hit of the ball in any sport, or creating the most beautiful art, or hitting the impossible notes in a song, THOSE are the people who know pain as well as you and i do. They're not just laughing for no reason at all, they're not just doing damn well for no reason at all. They're not enjoying themselves because they are free of tragedy. No, they are enjoying themselves DESPITE and in the face of tragedy.

They have overcome great personal feats.

Those people that are just merrily enjoying themselves, the ones that don't feel too deeply yet are mentally healthy...sure, they're more comfortable than you now but it's the same as saying that the jobless pothead is far more comfortable than the typical MIT undergrad. Who wins in the end?

And if you're comfortable for that long, eventually hell will creep up on you slowly.. and it would be too late by then, you would have refused to change or understand it.

but your'e not that.

you're experiencing this right now. everybody has to experience some discomfort. the fact that you have experienced SO much discomfort will, in the end, free you so much more to take the risks one needs to take to live a truly full and beautiful life.

Or you can just walk in the park and "sort of" be happy now while someone else wonders why they can't be happy like you. Of course you won't know not to take your happiness for granted, chances are you ARE taking it for granted and worrying about losing ten pounds. Chronically worrying. THAT is the semi-happy-comfortable person who walks and laughs through life without falling. They're not that happy.
 

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Dear Person3,
I may have to respectfully disagree with you. It is absolutely true that inherent in the ability to feel great joy and great peace is the ability to be hurt deeply as well. But walking around a college town - laughter is something I see alot in shallow people. Most of the people you are probably seeing laughing are in fact not that happy. And many are. But the fact is that there is also innocence in not having felt great pain - and it is what enables children to feel such sincere laughter. The shallow college students who you see laughing arent just laughing because something gives them joy- they're laughing because they feel they need to humor someone, they're laughing because if people think they're happy, they have that much more of a social edge. They've lost sincerity. And why? Because they felt pain, and they never want to feel that pang of loss and social rejection again. Having felt pain has warped their perception of true happiness. Some of the greatest minds, the deepest and noblest people I know, are very serious. And it demands a certain sort of respect. We bring people in our company either up to or down to our level. When I'm around a person who looks like they have given forethought to what they are about to say, their opinon carries much more weight. In the Meg Ryan movie Kate and Leopold Hugh Jackman tells his friend that "no one wishes to be romanced by a buffoon." I believe that this is true of all relationships, whether romantic or not. The person whose behaviour or comments shout out "Hey look at me! Arent I fun? Arent I smart?" are the people whose comments are disregarded. Its the quiet thoughtful ones, the people who know they know their shit, that people respect (and envy). There can be a certain joy in being serious. Dont pursue laughter for its own sake....seek your own purpose in life with all the intensity and sincerity you can, and sincere laughter and joy will find you.

Peace
Homeskooled
 

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Yeah and there are plenty of people who have gone through enormous amounts of pain and have emerged far worse off because of it. There are plenty of people who have sincerely fought their mental problems and have declined in health as a result. And there are others who have been through so much pain that laughter doesn't have any meaning.

I'm not one of those people. I just dislike it when the harshness of reality is disregarded so we can have some feel good self-help moments that are unrealistic. I don't think you can overlook the atrocities that happen on this planet and realize the horrific effects they have had. I don't buy this love, or laughter, or positivity conquers all argument at all because it doesn't. This isn't about being constructive or not. You can recover, but people who have been through wars, genocide, natural disasters, or any of the many other horrible things that happen on this planet may not be able to. The perspective has to be maintained that people who live in fairly wealthy countries are insulated from alot of the truly horrible aspects of reality. I'm cynical because I realize the world that lies outside of my bubble is not fair and is often painful without positive consequences.
 
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For the love of god use bulletpoints..my eyes cant take giant blocks of text:shock:

But on a sidenote i kinda agree with you. I dont beleive one needs to have felt pain to have the right to laugh.

Homeskooled said:
Dear Person3,
I may have to respectfully disagree with you. It is absolutely true that inherent in the ability to feel great joy and great peace is the ability to be hurt deeply as well. But walking around a college town - laughter is something I see alot in shallow people. Most of the people you are probably seeing laughing are in fact not that happy. And many are. But the fact is that there is also innocence in not having felt great pain - and it is what enables children to feel such sincere laughter. The shallow college students who you see laughing arent just laughing because something gives them joy- they're laughing because they feel they need to humor someone, they're laughing because if people think they're happy, they have that much more of a social edge. They've lost sincerity. And why? Because they felt pain, and they never want to feel that pang of loss and social rejection again. Having felt pain has warped their perception of true happiness. Some of the greatest minds, the deepest and noblest people I know, are very serious. And it demands a certain sort of respect. We bring people in our company either up to or down to our level. When I'm around a person who looks like they have given forethought to what they are about to say, their opinon carries much more weight. In the Meg Ryan movie Kate and Leopold Hugh Jackman tells his friend that "no one wishes to be romanced by a buffoon." I believe that this is true of all relationships, whether romantic or not. The person whose behaviour or comments shout out "Hey look at me! Arent I fun? Arent I smart?" are the people whose comments are disregarded. Its the quiet thoughtful ones, the people who know they know their sh*t, that people respect (and envy). There can be a certain joy in being serious. Dont pursue laughter for its own sake....seek your own purpose in life with all the intensity and sincerity you can, and sincere laughter and joy will find you.

Peace
Homeskooled
 
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