[Tres]

Hello CoolWhip27,

I don't really feel as though i'm "diluting" what you're saying as much as i'm trying to tether this abstract concept you're presenting into anything tangible/measurable.
And the scientific method has a lot to do with it. That's how you separate fact from a hypothesis. You are presenting a hypothesis and calling it an "actuality".
I'm not advocating for analyzing oneself. I'm saying what you are presenting has not yet been able to be measured by a scientific method and therefore is a hypothesis.
I doubt we could come to some conclusion, even in person, but that's okay. I agree that it's easier that we agree to "disagree" for now too. I again, appreciate your input and perspective.

 

[NoDevils]

Acceptance is a legitimate and empirically testable method of dealing with psychic misery. There are some problems of subjectivity such as the placebo effect but that's true of all studies which measure their success based on self-reported levels of misery. Acceptance shouldn't be a difficult or nebulous concept. I think that's just the direction your conversation is going.

 

[coolwhip27]

Acceptance is a legitimate and empirically testable method of dealing with psychic misery. There are some problems of subjectivity such as the placebo effect but that's true of all studies which measure their success based on self-reported levels of misery. Acceptance shouldn't be a difficult or nebulous concept. I think that's just the direction your conversation is going.

And it can really only be realized in the realm of personal experience. I’m not sure what Tres has put together about what I said at all, besides him thinking I’m putting forth an “abstract concept”. Acceptance means everything you’ve been doing that makes you miserable coming to a complete stop. It’s only logical that chronic depersonalization is a result of chronic effort to escape “what is”. Acceptance of what is is not dependent on any circumstance, there is only peace with now. None of what I’m saying is even original, tres probably doesn’t even know that. He’s looking at what I’m saying and going “what?” and calling it abstract. Lol

But I express importance on not following any method. Because like you said, acceptance isn’t intentional “effort” to achieve

 

[NoDevils]

And it can really only be realized in the realm of personal experience. I’m not sure what Tres has put together about what I said at all, besides him thinking I’m putting forth an “abstract concept”. Acceptance means everything you’ve been doing that makes you miserable coming to a complete stop. It’s only logical that chronic depersonalization is a result of chronic effort to escape “what is”. Acceptance of what is is not dependent on any circumstance, there is only peace with now. None of what I’m saying is even original, tres probably doesn’t even know that. He’s looking at what I’m saying and going “what?” and calling it abstract. Lol

I agree with Tres that acceptance is a non-treatment. A therapy designed to promote acceptance could be a treatment. Psychotherapeutic, nutritional, or even medical intervention might be necessary in many depersonalized people. These interventions should be undertaken to promote wellness rather than cure depersonalization. Depersonalization itself is pretty much harmless except the inattentiveness that can accompany it can be harmful. Depersonalization has also been linked to more severe presentations of mental illness, and suicide, though I don't believe depersonalization in itself warrants low quality of life or suicide.

 

[coolwhip27]

I agree with Tres that acceptance is a non-treatment. Psychotherapeutic, nutritional, or even medical intervention might be necessary in many depersonalized people. These interventions should be undertaken to promote wellness rather than cure depersonalization. Depersonalization itself is pretty much harmless except for the inattentiveness that usually accompanies it. Depersonalization has also been linked to more severe presentations of mental illness, and suicide, though I don't believe depersonalization in itself warrants low quality of life or suicide.

It is a non treatment, because nobody can help you with it. But I’m of the opinion that when it comes to DP, any “treatment” is futile. I’m sure not every case of depersonalization is exactly the same, some may actually need guidance but for those who experience chronic stress as a result of themselves and experience DP then theyre going to have to help themselves.

 

[NoDevils]

It is a non treatment, because nobody can help you with it. But I’m of the opinion that when it comes to DP, any “treatment” is futile. I’m sure not every case of depersonalization is exactly the same, some may actually need guidance but for those who experience chronic stress as a result of themselves and experience DP then theyre going to have to help themselves.

I don't take a black/white position on this. I agree we can't force people into acceptance but we can promote and facilitate it. And we shouldn't completely forget the people who have mental illness because their lives are dire or the people who have depersonalization as a result of a physical health problem. Like you suggested before, depersonalization in this case can be an indicator that some change is needed.

 

[coolwhip27]

I don't take a black/white position on this. I agree we can't force people into acceptance but we can promote and facilitate it. And we shouldn't completely forget the people who have mental illness because their lives are dire or the people who have depersonalization as a result of a physical health problem. Like you suggested before, depersonalization in this case can be an indicator that some change is needed.

Promote and facilitate is what I do. But there’s no going inside someone else’s mind and helping them, “acceptance” is completely on the individual. There’s no manual book given to anyone on how to operate themselves. Perhaps simple truths like that help embellish footprints for an individual to start learning more about themselves and the nature of suffering.

 

[NoDevils]

Promote and facilitate is what I do. But there’s no going inside someone else’s mind and helping them, “acceptance” is completely on the individual. There’s no manual book given to anyone on how to operate themselves. Perhaps simple truths like that help embellish footprints for an individual to start learning more about themselves and the nature of suffering.

I think I agree. Everyone ultimately has sovereignty over themselves and we can only guess what's going on in their mind.

 

[Tres]

Hello CoolWhip27,

The idea of "acceptance" isn't some incomprehensible thing that I just can't get my mind around. I understand what you are saying. I am saying that 1. "Acceptance" in dpd/drd is certainly both a hypothesis and a concept 2. You can promote your concept without the compulsion to attack another 3. The concepts you are attacking seem to be working based on how many people are coming back saying meds, therapy, nutrition, exercise, blah blah blah worked for them. 4. At no point did I ever accept that godforsaken disorder and I still rid myself if it. Not to knock your point but rather to show you that your hypothesis isn't applicable to everyone. So....my point being i'm glad that acceptance worked for you but like....just say "Acceptance worked for me" and move on without attacking other perspectives. My post that was meant to help beginners with quick meaningful information and solutions is now just another argument over semantics and abstractions.

 

[coolwhip27]

Hello CoolWhip27,

The idea of "acceptance" isn't some incomprehensible thing that I just can't get my mind around. I understand what you are saying. I am saying that 1. "Acceptance" in dpd/drd is certainly both a hypothesis and a concept 2. You can promote your concept without the compulsion to attack another 3. The concepts you are attacking seem to be working based on how many people are coming back saying meds, therapy, nutrition, exercise, blah blah blah worked for them. 4. At no point did I ever accept that godforsaken disorder and I still rid myself if it. Not to knock your point but rather to show you that your hypothesis isn't applicable to everyone. So....my point being i'm glad that acceptance worked for you but like....just say "Acceptance worked for me" and move on without attacking other perspectives. My post that was meant to help beginners with quick meaningful information and solutions is now just another argument over semantics and abstractions.

If you think what I meant is accepting DP itself, then no, you don’t understand at all. No human on this earth would be able to live peacefully without acceptance whether you’re aware of what I mean by that or not. I’m not going to cow toe to you, we disagree, so what. You should have just dropped it like I suggested earlier. You asserted the scientific method as the absolute, relentlessly insisting that what I’m saying is a hypothesis/abstract concept because that’s how you’re making sense of it. We aren’t meeting. Cool, thanks for the criticism, now can we please just move on with our lives? I voted that we stopped talking long ago, but here we are, I’m to blame apparently.

 

[Tres]

If you think what I meant is accepting DP itself, then no, you don’t understand at all. No human on this earth would be able to live peacefully without acceptance whether you’re aware of what I mean by that or not. I’m not going to cow toe to you, we disagree, so what. You should have just dropped it like I suggested earlier. You asserted the scientific method as the absolute, relentlessly insisting that what I’m saying is a hypothesis/abstract concept because that’s how you’re making sense of it. We aren’t meeting. Cool, thanks for the criticism, now can we please just move on with our lives? I voted that we stopped talking long ago, but here we are, I’m to blame apparently.

Hello CoolWhip27,

Your responses are increasingly nonsensical and chronically abstract. I'm not relentlessly insisting anything; I am educating you about the definition of "hypothesis" which you don't seem to understand. Words have meanings and you don't seem to have a firm understanding of those meanings. Reading your responses has been like deciphering what a kid was trying to spell out of magnets on a fridge. Addtionally it's not "how im making sense out of it", it's the term to call what you are saying and again I don't understand why you're hyper-fixated on believing your idea transcends description. You're welcome for the critique and education about your perspective and the criticism about your ego. You can move on with your life whenever you choose to. You certainly are to blame for the continuance of this conversation. I'm not just going to sit here listening to you de-rail my post with your psuedo-philosophical russel brand-esque word vomit whilst criticizing other solutions and not call you out on it.

I get that you don't appreciate the people on this site who think the way I do. That's okay. Not everyone thinks the same. But you are being insufferable in your responses, acting like you are god's gift to earth. And with as much ego too. You and your hypothesis are not any better than my theories nor anyone else's.

Learn to just answer a simple question with a simple answer. Jesus Christ.

 

[coolwhip27]

Hello CoolWhip27,

Your responses are increasingly nonsensical and chronically abstract. I'm not relentlessly insisting anything; I am educating you about the definition of "hypothesis" which you don't seem to understand. Words have meanings and you don't seem to have a firm understanding of those meanings. Reading your responses has been like deciphering what a kid was trying to spell out of magnets on a fridge. Addtionally it's not "how im making sense out of it", it's the term to call what you are saying and again I don't understand why you're hyper-fixated on believing your idea transcends description. You're welcome for the critique and education about your perspective and the criticism about your ego. You can move on with your life whenever you choose to. You certainly are to blame for the continuance of this conversation. I'm not just going to sit here listening to you de-rail my post with your psuedo-philosophical russel brand-esque word vomit whilst criticizing other solutions and not call you out on it.

I get that you don't appreciate the people on this site who think the way I do. That's okay. Not everyone thinks the same. But you are being insufferable in your responses, acting like you are god's gift to earth. And with as much ego too. You and your hypothesis are not any better than my theories nor anyone else's.

Learn to just answer a simple question with a simple answer. Jesus Christ.

Please do care to tell me what exactly it is that’s so nonsensical and abstract, as I haven’t heard one real ounce of “critique” coming from you towards me. I’ve heard you describe what I say with certain words, like hypothesis, abstract, and now something that a kid spells out on a fridge. All of these are great jabs on the surface, but none of them actually address anything I’ve written down here. Talking about my “ego” won’t progress the conversation but it wont make me mad either. Accusing me of being illiterate is pretty convenient too huh, does it feel like a win-win? So far you’ve done nothing but assert dominance over all my propositions while somehow maintaining your own innocence. Go ahead, continue nagging at me then Grandma. If bitching helps you feel better then maybe you’ll find your own form of acceptance that way.

 

[Tres]

Hello CoolWhip27,

See? It's like talking to a wall. I've told you exactly what was so abstract and nonsensical but you didn't pay attention. Now you're asking me to repeat myself. Re-read if you wanna know.
And you're right, talking about your ego won't progress the situation because you don't seem like the type that cares to do any self-evaluation. My goal isn't to make you mad, it's to correct you. And as far as me "accusing" you of being illiterate......if you knew that the definition of illiterate meant "unable to read or write" then you'd know that I wasn't saying you were illiterate but rather that you're typing words without knowing how to properly use them. Literally proving my point.

 

[Labby]

Hello CoolWhip27,

So for clarification, for you, the answer that cured or lessened your dpd/drd is to accept it that it is happening and reframe it?

Tanx so much,I think I was alone,I just started feeling dp for some days now dat wants me to go crazy..

 

[coolwhip27]

Hello CoolWhip27,

See? It's like talking to a wall. I've told you exactly what was so abstract and nonsensical but you didn't pay attention. Now you're asking me to repeat myself. Re-read if you wanna know.
And you're right, talking about your ego won't progress the situation because you don't seem like the type that cares to do any self-evaluation. My goal isn't to make you mad, it's to correct you. And as far as me "accusing" you of being illiterate......if you knew that the definition of illiterate meant "unable to read or write" then you'd know that I wasn't saying you were illiterate but rather that you're typing words without knowing how to properly use them. Literally proving my point.

You’re a wall. No, as a matter of fact you haven’t addressed any point I’ve made in context to your original naive question. I’ve been reading your stupid ass responses and replying to them unfortunately. Can’t you see where our conversation is going? Nowhere. You wana keep this shit up? Fine, keep replying sweetheart. Lets see who has the better insults because that’s what you’ve turned this into. You’re allowed to be stupid, but now you’re abusing the privilege. And like I said, if you keep on bitching at me you MIGHT find your own form of acceptance that way GRANDMA

 

[Tres]

Hello CoolWhip27,

It takes two to have a conversation. I've been linear in my responses and clear in my criticism. You've just been argumentative, egocentric, patronizing, and wrong. At each step rather than addressing my clear criticisms you've just escalated your targeted and wordy responses. Again, my goal is not to insult you but rather to correct you. And I don't need acceptance because I already fixed my dpd/drd using logic and reasoning.

 

[coolwhip27]

Hello CoolWhip27,

It takes two to have a conversation. I've been linear in my responses and clear in my criticism. You've just been argumentative, egocentric, patronizing, and wrong. At each step rather than addressing my clear criticisms you've just escalated your targeted and wordy responses. Again, my goal is not to insult you but rather to correct you. And I don't need acceptance because I already fixed my dpd/drd using logic and reasoning.

Uh, your last 5 responses have been the epitome of “no u”. “I’m right ur wrong”. So, if you think that’s logic and reasoning then you’re just a child. You also couldn’t provide any evidence of correcting me on anything that had to do with your original question, because you never did. You’ve articulated nothing but small little attacks on my verbatim. You’re certainly not worth my time. I hope you finally find peace after your next response of “I’m right and you’re wrong”. Lmfao

 

[Peter]

If one thing became clear from your "discussion": You were made for each other.

 

[Trith]

If one thing became clear from your "discussion": You were made for each other.

This is totally incredible........ it makes me think of this scene.

 

[coolwhip27]

This is totally incredible........ it makes me think of this scene.

LOL