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Hello,

I wanted to see if maybe some people who have lessened or cured their depersonalization/derealization disorder could write their short list of what helps and what didn't help so that people who are looking for answers could avoid the lengthy conversations, arguments, and so on and instead just get good solid advice.

I appreciate you all and hope you all reach repersonalization soon!
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coolwhip27 said:
Not seeking a cure, as if its something outside myself. I am my suffering and I am my good feeling. Yeah depersonalization is very real, no I’m not saying all you have to do is stop thinking about it. But people are interested in this, treating it like a study, thinking they’ll discover something they haven’t yet. Good feeling won’t come into fruition that way. The “cure” is literally within you, as cliche as it sounds. But you want something permanent, rock solid, which may look like a perfect explanation. That’s a never ending search and you’ll only be satisfied with an answer until you decide you are, so if your intelligent you’ll throw all that away. People have looked everywhere outward for solutions, from medications to dietary research, to studying other peoples methods. A waste of time no doubt. As far as im concerned, fuck this forum and all its useless debates. There’s no real debate, if you have depersonalization you need your own insight. What are you trying to solve? Problems are to be solved, but what do you do when YOU are the problem? Go on, find out. Or else just keep on the same direction which is the same thing keeping you insane.

I’m on this forum to try help, so before some ass tries to point a finger at me and call me a hypocrite because I’m on this forum, they can read and weep.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

So for clarification, for you, the answer that cured or lessened your dpd/drd is to accept it that it is happening and reframe it?
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coolwhip27 said:
No, there’s no answer. See look, you want to put it in a box. That’s apart of the disorder. Your desire to frame some kind of an answer, reducing it to a description like “acceptance”. You can’t actually reduce it to being anything, when you’re feeling good you’ll find it wasn’t because of any explanation or method that you committed to
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Hello,

If people develop dpd/drd and get better from it how, in your mind, is there no solution? I've been hearing this on the forums and I really don't understand this perspective.
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NoDevils said:
He believes acceptance is something you do without intention. By trying to solve the depersonalization (trying is a type of intention) you're not accepting it. Some people try to put this advice behind a paywall but it deserves to be free.
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Hello NoDevils,

Okay, I see. CoolWhip27 is this a theory you've come up with or is there some sort of literature you've read this in? I'm only asking because from what i've understood acceptance and the solution of any mental health disorder have always been separate but both important for recovery.
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coolwhip27 said:
A theory? I didn’t say there wasn’t a solution but does the solution identify as an answer? Logically it can’t, it must be bigger than an idea. I’m talking about the direction your mind is taking, which is you. Yes you can cure yourself but not through a methodology that you attempt to follow, then you’re still seeking something beyond yourself. Ok, look, there’s a good state and a bad state. If as you are in this bad state you are looking for a way out of it then naturally what do you do? This bad state is perpetuated by all the resistance to it, the seeking an answer etc. So if you actually saw that the direction you’re taking and the problem are one then why wouldn’t all effort cease? It would be automatic, instant, your mind sees the disorder that it’s been perpetuating and naturally comes to a stop
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Hello,

Yeah, a solution is synonymous with the answer in the case of the question i'm posing.

And yes, i'm assuming your response was a theory. Or really more of a hypothesis since it's untested (unless you've seen a research paper involving the concept of acceptance in depersonalization). It's an interesting hypothesis conceptually, I just don't see a way to prove it or how it explains a causal mechanism.

I appreciate your input sincerely. Personally I am on the other end of the spectrum looking at dpd/drd as a mostly biological. However I also believe in "whatever works".
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coolwhip27 said:
Heard and understood. If it’s conceptual understandings you’re after, then I’m afraid we can’t go any further. Because what I’m trying to get across is not a concept. I wish you the best of luck
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Hello CoolWhip27,

I am just looking for beneficial fact-based treatment approaches (regardless of methodology) presented in a clear and concise format that "veteran" users can impart onto "beginners".
What you presented is a concept. I wasn't really looking for concepts or "conceptual understandings" as you put it but I greatly appreciate your perspective and willingness to share.
I tend to shy away from the spiritual, philosophical, and conceptual myself because I am all about cold hard, peer-reviewed facts from reputable sources however I know some people don't respond to that for various reasons.
Anyways, I too wish you the best man and hope that your advice helps someone out there.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

An "actuality" should be able to be analyzed and tested to confirm it's a fact. That's the scientific method. Otherwise it's just speculation; a hypothesis. Thesis meaning "a statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved" and hypo meaning "below or less than". In the case of "hypothesis" it means a statement that is made that has yet to be proven through scientific method.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

I wonder how you can be so oppositional to the cure/solution approach when it works for so many, myself included. I never cared much for the psychological aspect and completely neglected it in my recovery and yet i'm out.
I prefer again, to build on evidence-based solutions rather than discredit any solution. I don't see why you feel that both concepts can't exist as solutions.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

I understand the point you're making and don't really understand why you are hyper-fixated on me referring to your hypothesis/concept as such.
But yes, my goal was to put the solution into a box. Because it worked for me and my clients. I again, don't understand why you feel that the solution I've seen work time and time again infringes on your worldview so much that you fee the need to be bitter about it. I'm not discrediting your solution (or anti-solution?) despite it not being testable.

Similarly to you saying there are others like me on this site putting solutions into boxes so too are there people like you who attempt to conflate and abstract the concept of curing themselves into this intangible, philosophical knot.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

I don't really feel as though i'm "diluting" what you're saying as much as i'm trying to tether this abstract concept you're presenting into anything tangible/measurable.
And the scientific method has a lot to do with it. That's how you separate fact from a hypothesis. You are presenting a hypothesis and calling it an "actuality".
I'm not advocating for analyzing oneself. I'm saying what you are presenting has not yet been able to be measured by a scientific method and therefore is a hypothesis.
I doubt we could come to some conclusion, even in person, but that's okay. I agree that it's easier that we agree to "disagree" for now too. I again, appreciate your input and perspective.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

The idea of "acceptance" isn't some incomprehensible thing that I just can't get my mind around. I understand what you are saying. I am saying that 1. "Acceptance" in dpd/drd is certainly both a hypothesis and a concept 2. You can promote your concept without the compulsion to attack another 3. The concepts you are attacking seem to be working based on how many people are coming back saying meds, therapy, nutrition, exercise, blah blah blah worked for them. 4. At no point did I ever accept that godforsaken disorder and I still rid myself if it. Not to knock your point but rather to show you that your hypothesis isn't applicable to everyone. So....my point being i'm glad that acceptance worked for you but like....just say "Acceptance worked for me" and move on without attacking other perspectives. My post that was meant to help beginners with quick meaningful information and solutions is now just another argument over semantics and abstractions.
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coolwhip27 said:
If you think what I meant is accepting DP itself, then no, you don’t understand at all. No human on this earth would be able to live peacefully without acceptance whether you’re aware of what I mean by that or not. I’m not going to cow toe to you, we disagree, so what. You should have just dropped it like I suggested earlier. You asserted the scientific method as the absolute, relentlessly insisting that what I’m saying is a hypothesis/abstract concept because that’s how you’re making sense of it. We aren’t meeting. Cool, thanks for the criticism, now can we please just move on with our lives? I voted that we stopped talking long ago, but here we are, I’m to blame apparently.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

Your responses are increasingly nonsensical and chronically abstract. I'm not relentlessly insisting anything; I am educating you about the definition of "hypothesis" which you don't seem to understand. Words have meanings and you don't seem to have a firm understanding of those meanings. Reading your responses has been like deciphering what a kid was trying to spell out of magnets on a fridge. Addtionally it's not "how im making sense out of it", it's the term to call what you are saying and again I don't understand why you're hyper-fixated on believing your idea transcends description. You're welcome for the critique and education about your perspective and the criticism about your ego. You can move on with your life whenever you choose to. You certainly are to blame for the continuance of this conversation. I'm not just going to sit here listening to you de-rail my post with your psuedo-philosophical russel brand-esque word vomit whilst criticizing other solutions and not call you out on it.

I get that you don't appreciate the people on this site who think the way I do. That's okay. Not everyone thinks the same. But you are being insufferable in your responses, acting like you are god's gift to earth. And with as much ego too. You and your hypothesis are not any better than my theories nor anyone else's.

Learn to just answer a simple question with a simple answer. Jesus Christ.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

See? It's like talking to a wall. I've told you exactly what was so abstract and nonsensical but you didn't pay attention. Now you're asking me to repeat myself. Re-read if you wanna know.
And you're right, talking about your ego won't progress the situation because you don't seem like the type that cares to do any self-evaluation. My goal isn't to make you mad, it's to correct you. And as far as me "accusing" you of being illiterate......if you knew that the definition of illiterate meant "unable to read or write" then you'd know that I wasn't saying you were illiterate but rather that you're typing words without knowing how to properly use them. Literally proving my point.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

It takes two to have a conversation. I've been linear in my responses and clear in my criticism. You've just been argumentative, egocentric, patronizing, and wrong. At each step rather than addressing my clear criticisms you've just escalated your targeted and wordy responses. Again, my goal is not to insult you but rather to correct you. And I don't need acceptance because I already fixed my dpd/drd using logic and reasoning.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

Again, my post was meant to be answered by a simple response to help others. Your long-winded non-answers just show that you are not committed to the cause and are, in fact, a barrier to people getting help on this site.

I regularly help people who suffer with dpd/drd to recover with real, tangible methodology (including myself) whilst you continue to parrot a zen philosophy.

I sincerely hope that someday soon you lose the "I know everything" complex and open a book. Hey, you can even kill two birds with one stone and figure out how to use the english language correctly. I am just so tired of you wanna-be philosophers sounding as obtuse as Jordan Peterson with as many wordy sentences as a Russel Brand podcast trying to present yourself like a monk.

I accept your answer. "Acceptance". Okay, cool. The rest is you trying to prove you're my intellectual equal, which you clearly are not. I bet you'd shit yourself if I even started mentioning cited sources or anything tangible to back up anything you've said on this post.

Go home. I have nothing else for you here besides corrections. And clearly, you do not take criticism well. Hey, I guess Peter is right, we're made for each other. You=:cool: Me=:cool:.
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Hello CoolWhip27,

There is just 0 chance of me taking the time and effort to compile that for you. Correcting you and messing with you is something im happy to do. Wasting time offering you the answer that you aren't going to accept is a whole different thing. We're already at this point in this conversation. Do you honestly think I believe that you're capable of being convinced with facts?

Anyways, while it was fun i'm actually getting bored now because the novelty has worn off. When you come to your senses just go back to my other post and you can have the cure for free. I'd recommend screenshots for a rainy day.

And I still like to think we are meant for each other. You're like the ignorant self-obsessed yin to my fact-based yang 😎😎☯ Or maybe you're actually me but in like another universe where I wasn't properly educated. Who knows?

Anyways, depersonalization/derealization has a cure. I know because not only did it work for me but it also works for my clients all the time. I know because I took the time to educate myself with actual books and journal articles. I know because once you understand what's happening it's so obvious. Keep spreading your rhetoric that's as scientific as "you can fix schizophrenia by accepting your hallucinations" and I'll keep spreading the facts based on simplistic biological understanding.

I swear to God it's like, no wonder so many people have this disorder for multiple decades. You can fix dissociative disorders but you can't fix ignorance.

P.S. Remember to screenshot the answer!
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You could do a lot better than that. I mean, it's a closing statement. You're ending it on "goodbye my little cupcake?" Say something...idk...funny. Or....something.

Like if it were me i'd lean into the fact that you're stupid and say "you only read the first half of my post because it was too hard for your illiterate ass". Y'know?

I mean...cupcake? Oh! And I was going to mention the grandma comment earlier but I thought it might be a typo but now im not so sure. If you're aiming for the neck then aim my guy. Talkin about some damn "okay sleep tight butterfly". I mean...c'mon man that's stupid even for you.
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I laughed so hard when I saw this comment on your other post 😂
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Like bro, please just fix your dpd and go home so I can stop reading these posts that sound like an epileptic animal is seizing on the keyboard. Please. You called my bluff, you're too funny to stop messing with so please save me from my own curiosity of what you'll say next.
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