But ultimately it isn’t weed that would take me on a bad trip. It’s not like when I’m high on weed I’m all of a sudden controlled by it. The biggest factor is my brain the way it already is, not the drug I took. Is weed a factor as to why I have depersonalization, making it negative, or did it merely wake up what I already had deep down? If the latter is true, which to me seems self-evident that it is, then I can’t blame my condition on drugs.Whether or not it's calming really depends on the person. Some people take massive doses of edibles and then just giggle and go into a trance, whereas other people take that dose and go into a panic or a psychosis. Unless you're some kind of health professional or focused on politics the question of whether marijuana is objectively harmful or beneficial probably isn't important to you. As individuals we need to decide what's right and wrong for us at the current time. Marijuana isn't really a mystery, I mean, you can take it right now and see how you feel. That said, depersonalization and panic are known to creep up on people who were previously using marijuana with no problem. If you look at any drug be it marijuana or heroin to try and figure out if it's inherently evil or not, you're going to be looking a long time because there's no such thing as inherent evil.
About original cause of depersonalization, I pay no mind to the idea of original cause. You can pay a person $600 for an evaluation where they say you're messed up because your mother didn't give you enough affection. Get another evaluation and they'll say it's because you were molested and don't remember it. If you smoked weed and had a depersonalization episode immediately after ingesting the stuff, the weed was probably one of many precipitating factors.
I know for a fact benzodiazepine withdrawal is what set me off but, like I said, every situation is a culmination of multiple factors. I'll still take a single dose of a benzodiazepine in a pinch because that's what the drug is good at. Really bad outcomes happen when you become physically dependent, overdose, or mix drugs recklessly. I'm psychologically dependent on drugs to help me sleep, which is one of the potential downsides of seeing a psychiatrist.But ultimately it isn’t weed that would take me on a bad trip. It’s not like when I’m high on weed I’m all of a sudden controlled by it. The biggest factor is my brain the way it already is, not the drug I took. Is weed a factor as to why I have depersonalization, making it negative, or did it merely wake up what I already had deep down? If the latter is true, which to me seems self-evident that it is, then I can’t blame my condition on drugs.
We are on a DP forum talking about depersonalization, but isn’t all this struggle not just about the thing itself but also with the way we interact with the world? What I’m trying to say is, if we could bring together our consciousness and experience of everyday life struggles rather than just zooming in one part of it, (DP) then wouldn’t we come to understand the real problem about ourselves a lot more? We are disordered here correct, but why? Not JUST because of depersonalization, lol. The fucking world is disordered. We’re just little tiny pieces of it 😂I know for a fact benzodiazepine withdrawal is what set me off but, like I said, every situation is a culmination of multiple factors. I'll still take a single dose of a benzodiazepine in a pinch because that's what the drug is good at. Really bad outcomes happen when you become physically dependent, overdose, or mix drugs recklessly. I'm psychologically dependent on drugs to help me sleep, which is one of the potential downsides of seeing a psychiatrist.
True. The reason I take pills to sleep every day is because of the experiences I've had and my relationship to my surroundings. When I'm in a safer environment with a trustworthy friend the problem goes away.We are on a DP forum talking about depersonalization, but isn’t all this struggle not just about the thing itself but also with the way we interact with the world? What I’m trying to say is, if we could bring together our consciousness and experience of everyday life struggles rather than just zooming in one part of it, (DP) then wouldn’t we come to understand the real problem about ourselves a lot more? We are disordered here correct, but why? Not JUST because of depersonalization, lol. The fucking world is disordered. We’re just little tiny pieces of it 😂
I have a decent understanding of why I got depersonalization but I don't think I'll ever get a perfect scientific explanation and I have no choice but to accept that.We might think we’ve narrowed the problem down to a thing called depersonalization but that doesn’t answer WHY we have it.
If a person understands themselves then their mind is free. But that has nothing to do with thinking. You don’t think about awareness, like how we might see a car coming at us and we swerve, we don’t have to think about it to see it. In the same way, can we be actively aware of ourselves so acutely without having to think about it? Then there’s no pause, no choice and therefore no indecision. It’s not a trick, it’s real.True. The reason I take pills to sleep every day is because of the experiences I've had and my relationship to my surroundings. When I'm in a safer environment with a trustworthy friend the problem goes away.
My gut feeling tells me society was always like this but I agree it's very inhumane. Imagine being stuck in traffic, watching homeless people, while someone looks down on the entire scene from a billion dollar apartment where they're taking a shit. They say most of our evolution we didn't evolve to live in societies this large.
I have a decent understanding of why I got depersonalization but I don't think I'll ever get a perfect scientific explanation and I have no choice but to accept that.
If you think you can be immune to problems caused by weed, why do you think you aren't you immune to the DPDR you have right now?If a person understands themselves then their mind is free. But that has nothing to do with thinking. You don’t think about awareness, like how we might see a car coming at us and we swerve, we don’t have to think about it to see it. In the same way, can we be actively aware of ourselves so acutely without having to think about it? Then there’s no pause, no choice and therefore no indecision. It’s not a trick, it’s real.
I’m not sure if it’s a matter of being immune to anything. DP for me is not always there, but the weed I smoke doesn’t scare me if it did give me symptoms of visual/sense disconnection. What is the suffering of depersonalization without all the anxiety or stress? If it’s just numbness, that isn’t the feeling of freaking out. I’m not sure how to even define DP, everyone here comes with their own experiences and that’s how they come to think what it is. It’s usually attributed with panic attacks and an uncomfortable feeling of disconnection all around. But I don’t go through that much anymore because I know how not to completely freak out.Personally I don't find it important to define if weed (or any molecule) causes DPDR or reveals some underlying issue. For me it's as if someone tells me "don't walk in that field, it has X% chance of being a mine field, it's dangerous and I wouldn't take the chance if I were you", and then someone else tells me "the field itself is not dangerous, only the mines are, and maybe there are no mines". That second reasoning doesn't help me make a decision if I can't know if mines are there or not. The analogy with weed is that, if weed only causes problems for some kinds of people and not others, it doesn't help me to know that if I can't know which kind I am.
But if anybody is here and has DPDR, I would think it is safer to assume they have underlying issues.
If you think you can be immune to problems caused by weed, why do you think you aren't you immune to the DPDR you have right now?
Honestly, I don't know if weed would cause problems for anyone, or for me or for anyone here. If from your experience you can smoke and be fine, it's good for you. I just know that there are people who had recovered and tried to smoke and relapsed for more than a year. So perhaps it can help, and I wish it can help anyone who tries, but I wouldn't try it myself.
The thing about thinking is very interesting, there are many things I want to say about this, but I will make another post so as not to sidetrack this one too much.
Yes, and I still function.! This from the Journal of Pediatric Psychology is an interesting read. It's my godsend for sleep for sure!! There is a more recent study where they weren't successful in treating this type insomnia in adults and acknowledge it a tough one...... 4.5 hours is a remarkably low amount of sleep
That's a bit similar for me. Not that I would know how not to freak out if it was worse, but I just don't. But as you say the worst thing is the numbness. That being said, in my case it didn't start with freaking out or with a panic attack, but it also started very slowly.I’m not sure if it’s a matter of being immune to anything. DP for me is not always there, but the weed I smoke doesn’t scare me if it did give me symptoms of visual/sense disconnection. What is the suffering of depersonalization without all the anxiety or stress? If it’s just numbness, that isn’t the feeling of freaking out. I’m not sure how to even define DP, everyone here comes with their own experiences and that’s how they come to think what it is. It’s usually attributed with panic attacks and an uncomfortable feeling of disconnection all around. But I don’t go through that much anymore because I know how not to completely freak out.
We've been placed in these little boxes and programmed lolMe too. You’re saying what I’ve been saying on these forums before. I’ve found that heavy weed trips allows me to see deeper than I usually can. I mean, it physically widens neuron pathways which is why weed is associated with more brain connections. It’s the antithesis of what the average person calls sanity, which is really just closed mindedness
But if you can’t handle it then don’t do it
Yeah the main point I was trying to make is that instead of demonizing weed and viewing it like the sole cause of DP is not beneficial. I believe it shows us deeper aspects ourselves and can open doors to new perspectives in such a way that be overwhelming to some people. We should explore that for clarity. Then if we are able to pinpoint something specific we know how to move forward addressing the real issue. I agree though and I think it's sick how expensive mental health isWhether or not it's calming really depends on the person. Some people take massive doses of edibles and then just giggle and go into a trance, whereas other people take that dose and go into a panic or a psychosis. Unless you're some kind of health professional or focused on politics the question of whether marijuana is objectively harmful or beneficial probably isn't important to you. As individuals we need to decide what's right and wrong for us at the current time. Marijuana isn't really a mystery, I mean, you can take it right now and see how you feel. That said, depersonalization and panic are known to creep up on people who were previously using marijuana with no problem. If you look at any drug be it marijuana or heroin to try and figure out if it's inherently evil or not, you're going to be looking a long time because there's no such thing as inherent evil.
About original cause of depersonalization, I pay no mind to the idea of original cause. You can pay a person $600 for an evaluation where they say you're messed up because your mother didn't give you enough affection. Get another evaluation and they'll say it's because you were molested and don't remember it. If you smoked weed and had a depersonalization episode immediately after ingesting the stuff, the weed was probably one of many precipitating factors.
I was just explaining my experience that I had with shifting my belief system from "weed is bad, weed was the sole cause of my DP" to actually analyzing the things I was experiencing while high and how I felt like I was opening doors that would help me gain a new understanding of who I am at my core if I looked into them. It may not be helpful for everyone, it'd be arrogant to think my solution is also a universal one, but I think for some it could help, if they're ready.Personally I don't find it important to define if weed (or any molecule) causes DPDR or reveals some underlying issue. For me it's as if someone tells me "don't walk in that field, it has X% chance of being a mine field, it's dangerous and I wouldn't take the chance if I were you", and then someone else tells me "the field itself is not dangerous, only the mines are, and maybe there are no mines". That second reasoning doesn't help me make a decision if I can't know if mines are there or not. The analogy with weed is that, if weed only causes problems for some kinds of people and not others, it doesn't help me to know that if I can't know which kind I am.
But if anybody is here and has DPDR, I would think it is safer to assume they have underlying issues.
If you think you can be immune to problems caused by weed, why do you think you aren't you immune to the DPDR you have right now?
Honestly, I don't know if weed would cause problems for anyone, or for me or for anyone here. If from your experience you can smoke and be fine, it's good for you. I just know that there are people who had recovered and tried to smoke and relapsed for more than a year. So perhaps it can help, and I wish it can help anyone who tries, but I wouldn't try it myself.
The thing about thinking is very interesting, there are many things I want to say about this, but I will make another post so as not to sidetrack this one too much.
Took me years to find this out! I don't smoke a lot but I find that it definitely helps me during severe bouts of DPDR. It reduces the constant overthinking, fear and helps me to cope and interact with people. I also found that it helps my epilepsy especially night seizures. It's a wonderful little plant with so many benefits for so many conditions. Should be illegal NOT to use it!!It's funny how it all comes full circle... I used to be someone who demonized weed after everything that happened. Let me also say this because I think some people on here need to hear it; weed does not CAUSE any mental health problem in and of itself, at least not long term. It just triggers something that's already inside you It's like looking through a magnifying glass because everything is just more intense and enhanced.
When I take edibles though it's so easy to be objective about my life and calm, putting everything into perspective. It also helps on a spiritual level.
In conclusion, everyone go smoke a fat blunt right now. Jk about that part. But still. Weed does help me now.
