VOTE FOR BUSH, PEOPLE!

I have a good liberal friend who needed a ride to vote yesterday. He was sleepy and didn't want to vote, but I insisted he vote. I offered to drive him to his precinct since his sister had his car.

I didn't care that he was voting for Kerry. The point is that if you're 18 to 24, register and then VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!! Get involved in the political process.

Fewer than one in 10 voters yesterday were 18 to 24 (source: USA Today) -- that is sad. Less than 10 percent turnout for that age group.

If the Democratic Party wants to become relevent again, it needs to do better at attracting young people to register to vote. That is, attracting them, not using false scaremongering tactics, i.e., the draft, to frighten them (which only subsequently pisses them off, after they find it was 2 DEMOCRATS who wanted to bring the draft back, not Republicans).

Married Women
1. Moral Values
2. Terrorism
3. Economy

Single Women
1. Economy
2. Terrorism
3. Moral Values

This is in order of how women felt on issues.

i always knew he would win. but im not worried. im all stocked up on tribal face paint and multi colored hair dye. theres lots of lava tubes here to hide from the nuclear fallout, and i got lots of canned spam. all i need now are a pair of goggles and some football shoulder pads.

bring it on osama. im ready.

WORLD WAR III - THE OIL WAR APOCALYPSE ("People stopped in the streets and listened: for the first time they heard the sound of silence."): As the service utilities of the industrial nations - the power generation, transport and manufacturing sectors - fail, national and international communication breaks down. Long-standing East/West tensions in the face of worldwide fuel shortages degenerate into pre-emptive attacks on the remaining fuel-rich countries. After endless political deliberations on both sides, the final acts of the war are strategic nuclear strikes between the East/West blocs intended to prevent either side from securing new fuel reserves. In Australia, centralised government crumbles. In most of the cities, panic and looting precede death and wholesale destruction. The remaining population scatters, leaving the cities to crumble and fall apart. Limited nuclear explosions near Sydney cause turbulence that damages a fleeing 747 under the command of Flight Captain Walker. It crashes in the desert some 500 kilometres from the city. The nuclear exchange causes widespread changes in the world's environment, the most notable of which is large-scale evaporation of the oceans, and a short nuclear winter. Sydney Harbour dries up and the city is abandoned. Australia's coastal regions become more arid - problems with food supplies force many to cannibalism. The collapse of civilization goes largely unnoticed in the wasteland; although the depletion of the fuel supplies and manufacturing technology brings about the end of the roving marauders. In the following few years, tribal settlements are established on the Sunshine Coast and elsewhere by people fleeing the savagery of the interior desert. Technology is at a pre-Industrial Revolution level in these largely agricultural communities.

2018 - ("At last, the vermin had inherited the earth."): The survivors of the war begin to form small, tribal groups, fighting over the few remaining sources of food and energy. Isolated settlements develop in the desert amidst the barbarians, under the rule of people who possess technical knowledge or power. Some of the old gang leaders realise the futility of destroying the pockets of civilization, because eventually nothing is regenerated. Some of the survivors live in primitive harmony, while others form towns where savage violence is a way of life. Max survives a number of adventures; as his resources diminish he builds up his capital - a wagon train. He collects things, finds things, and is resourceful enough to improvise.

I actually thought Kerry would win to be honest. I respect the man despite disagreeing with him on issues. It's interesting how all these exit polls heavily favored Kerry. Wonder if there is a liberal bias there.

I've been looking at those county maps, too. It's amazing how the democratic party is really only rooted in urban areas. And where do we get our news?

As I've hinted before, one of my biggest beefs with this campaign was how many celebrities got involved. Considering how morals played into this election, they might have done more to hurt Kerry's campaign than help. People in the breadbasket states, midwest, and the southern Bible belt are by nature more conservative. Many of these people view these entertainers as godless, hedonistic liberals living charmed lives. Which is true in a lot of respects. These people don't realize how different their realities are from the rest of the country.

I was also disgusted how the media tried to manipulate this election. I think that may have turned off some voters too. When you have The New York Times, Washington Post, and magazines like Rolling Stone blatantly endorsing Kerry is sickening. Probably the most essential trait to have in journalism is being objective. That was clearly violated. I know in pretty much all past elections these publications have leaned one way, but they crossed the line this time.

The Democratic Party is in trouble. They are too divided amongst themselves to accomplish much of anything. Really the only uniting factor they had this election was disdain for Bush.

But, now that the election is over, I feel a huge weight has already been lifted off of this country's shoulders. I am already starting to feel this dissention dying down. Kerry and Bush both gave excellent concession and acceptance speeches, respectively. I thought the line about Bush thanking Kerry voters and how he has to earn their trust was great. Kerry was great, too. I am pleased.

Good choice....never under-estimate fear,ignorence,greed and apathy.......

Did you ever stop to think about whatcha gonna do
With your responsibility?
Or did you,
Just take this job cause it would
Be good for the money
And did you
Ever stop to think
About your duty to mankind
Or did you,
Think ya take this job do favours
For you friends and waste all our time?
So tell me man
Do you realize what you're doing to this good country?
Cause you're selling it all away for your economic
Stability
And you,
Justify everything you do
With the people that you say you're gonna employ
But the unemployment line is getting bigger every year
And you treat us all like toys.
We're just expendable to you
Along now with this land
And there ain't no room left for empathy
And this is something I don't understand
We're just expendable to you
Along now with this land
And just ain't no room left for empathy
And this is something I don't understand
Don't understand don't understand
Don't understand what headspace you are in
Don't understand don't understand
Don't understand what headspace you're in
Lies, Lies, Lies that you're speakin
And I don't understand what headspace you are in
Don't make no sense to me
Justifying everything we do on our economy
And there ain't no room
No more room left for human decency
Justifying everything we do on our economy
And the only time you listen to the people
Is when you think you won't get their vote
Otherwise you really could not give a shit
Don't mind rockin all our boats
And the greatest living friend is a man who goes by
The name of apathy
And we let you get away with everything you like so
You make all your money
But I tell you something right now old man
And this is a fair old warning to you
That the people are waking up
And gonna make you accountable too
Just like the nazi trials in Nuremburg
Hell not so long ago
Gonna make you pay for what you have done
Gonna make you responsible
Cause I don't understand
don't understand
don't understand
what head space you are in
so it must be lies you're speaking
Lies you're preachin
Must be lies you're feeding our children
Man must be lies you're teachin
and the land that you love he could not give a damn
about
and the ocean that you love do you think he could give
a shit about?
and the trees that you love do you think he could give
a fuck about?
And the family that you love do you think he could give
a damn about?
So it must be lies you're speakin
So it must be lies you're speakin
So it must be lies you're speakin
So it must be lies you're speakin
No more, no more, I want no more no more
Don't wanna die in a war
No more
Don't wanna die in a war
No more
I don't want a war
No more
Don't want a war
No more
Don't want a war
No more
Don't want a war
No war no war no war
I don't want no war, no war
I don't want no war
Young people dyin for buisnessmen
Young people dyin they don't understand
Young people dyin for buisnessmen
Going away to fight don't understand
No war i don't want no war
I don't want no war

enngirl5 said:

I agree that calling one group or the other "followers" is a stupid generalization. I was just pissed last night when I saw that on his website that dem's are sheep. And I agree there are plenty of intelligent repub's. I just happen to live in the part of the country where people are voting for Bush because they hate gays, hate welfare, and don't want their gun rights taken away. And of course are blood thirsty.

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Dear Enn,
Didn't mean to come on mean. Bad night last night. I also hadn't read what came before.

And I agree, I don't want the government to legislate morality. What's interesting is in my state, we had an anti-gay civil union ammendment. The only reason it was, there was fear that Kerry would win, and in that case, certain voters "protected us" from potential degradation of morals.

I was furious. I voted that down. This happend in many states. And it was cloaked in a pretty little commercial that looked like it was an affirmation of the sanctity of the marriage of a man and a woman.

I realize this is a personAL issue, and not everyone may agree with my stand.

At any rate, no attack intended. I responded directly to that post you had put up, hadn't read what was before.

Edit... that order of voting intent I think was combined male and female. I was really outraged that Morality was #1 of ALL Republican voters. I think this election brought out SO many people for SO many different reasons, many people that wouldn't have voted came out in droves. If there's anything good to be said, at least we're getting involved. I'm not sure of the statistics, but I believe 62% of Detroiters came out, which broke some record 3 decades ago. Astonishing.

And again I say, this has been brewing for years. And it's a new breed of cat. I think everyone was completely caught off-guard by 9/11. It brought to the forefront certain actions we had tabled.... killing bin Laden.. there was never "a right time" in the CLinton administration.... and we were destined to invade Iraq at some point when the UN sanctions ran out completely.

The worst thing Bush did was justify the Iraq invasion with a connection to 9/11. We may all disagree about what happened, but all events were inevitable. It was a matter of time.

And I'll say it again. If you've read the FULL tape transcript that bin Laden had for Al-Jazeera which they MERCIFULLY kept edited, bin Laden would have controlled our election, much like Spain's was. Maybe. But it's scary as Hell.

Peace,
D :shock:

Dreamer wrote:

"The worst thing Bush did was justify the Iraq invasion with a connection to 9/11. We may all disagree about what happened, but all events were inevitable. It was a matter of time."

Kerry said on 9/21 during a campaign speech that we now know there were no connections between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

He must not have read the Senate Intelligence Committee Report or the 9/11 Commission Report, both of which cited the many connections between Iraq and AQ.

A high ranking Iraqi Fedayeen soldier attended at least one pre-planning 9/11 meeting with AQ.

Saddam knew 9/11 was coming and where we were going to be hit.

Even the Clinton Justice Department was able to obtain an indictment against bin Laden which cited the terrorist's ties to Iraq.

A federal judge has granted two 9/11 families a multi-million dollar judgement - against Iraq.

During the 90's, the mainstream press wrote about the world's alarm at the growing relationship between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. The Old Media thinks we can't look these things up.

Here's a great read on the topic of 9/11 and the Saddam connection:

Saddam Warned of WTC Attack Before 9/11, Praised bin Laden Afterward

Forgive me, I'm posting rubbish. But there is an interesting theory a friend of mine expressed (we crazy Finns). As Bush family and the family of Mr. bin Laden enjoyed a good companionship in the past, it seems strange that Osama bin Laden suddenly became the great enemy of the United States. So the clever-head friend of mine thought maybe the WTC terrorist attack was arranged by Bush et al, as it gave the US the permit to attack other countries in the Middle East. First Afghanistan, so the Americans can get the opium farms in control. Then Iraq, so they may get their piece of the pie of the oil the country produces. The US won't attack North Korea, as there is no reason for that, as North Korea doesn't have any valuable natural resources or other stuff that might be in the need of controlling (i.e. the War on Drugs of the United States: South America, Afghanistan)...

OK - this is enough, I have already expressed the weird conspiracy theory. Perhaps you already knew about this theory, as I am not sure, did the friend of mine invent the whole thing or maybe read about it somewhere... :twisted: