one question. how can you speak for people who have this for decades, while you did have it only for 3-4 months?
Understand DPDR - a psychosomatic approach
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That's right. I don't believe in the law of attraction. Manifesting a positive outlook doesn't solve all problems. Of course there is a way out for a lot of people, there are a lot of examples here and I have never seen anyone who denied that. But how do you know if people who say there is no way out for themselves are just manifesting a "future negative reality" before themselves? How do you know they are not simply telling the truth? What experience do you have that prooves there is no one in the world who will have this forever? When someone has lost their legs, nobody tells them they should believe their legs will grow again just for the sake of positivity. And as a matter of fact they can even have a positive outlook on their life without believing their legs will grow back. This is irrelevant.
And yes, DPDR is often a symptom of another disease. But specialists do say that DPDR can also be a stand alone disease. They call it depersonalization disorder. Elaine Hunter talks about it in her book ( Overcoming Depersonalization and Feelings of Unreality (Overcoming S): Anthony S. David, Dawn Baker, Elaine Hunter, Emma Lawrence: 9781845295547: Amazon.com: Books ) . She is the head of a department in a clinic in London who only treats patients with DPDR. She is a specialist in this field and has studied this in university, she has 20 years of experience about this disease and has probably seen and treated hundreds of patients with DPDR. She says that sometimes DPDR can be caused by panic attacks and even if you manage to stop the panic attacks and make the person free of anxiety, sometimes DPDR stays the same, and then they call it DPDR disorder and it is indeed a stand alone disorder. But my own psychiatrist did tell me that it could not be a stand alone disease, but he also exhibited a terrible lack of knowledge about DPDR. He could not even understand what a feeling of unreality could mean, he thought it was a philosophical problem and was clearly not up to date about it.
So what is your source of knowledge to say it cannot be a stand alone disease? Where did you get this information from?
Also here
"Researchers don’t know what causes these disorders. In up to half of the cases, healthcare providers cannot identify what triggers the disorder. "
my.clevelandclinic.org
Or here
"Depersonalization/derealization feelings are considered a disorder when the following occur:
www.merckmanuals.com
Or here
"The disorder tended to be chronic and persistent. Seventy-one per cent met DSM-IV criteria for primary depersonalisation disorder. "
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And yes, DPDR is often a symptom of another disease. But specialists do say that DPDR can also be a stand alone disease. They call it depersonalization disorder. Elaine Hunter talks about it in her book ( Overcoming Depersonalization and Feelings of Unreality (Overcoming S): Anthony S. David, Dawn Baker, Elaine Hunter, Emma Lawrence: 9781845295547: Amazon.com: Books ) . She is the head of a department in a clinic in London who only treats patients with DPDR. She is a specialist in this field and has studied this in university, she has 20 years of experience about this disease and has probably seen and treated hundreds of patients with DPDR. She says that sometimes DPDR can be caused by panic attacks and even if you manage to stop the panic attacks and make the person free of anxiety, sometimes DPDR stays the same, and then they call it DPDR disorder and it is indeed a stand alone disorder. But my own psychiatrist did tell me that it could not be a stand alone disease, but he also exhibited a terrible lack of knowledge about DPDR. He could not even understand what a feeling of unreality could mean, he thought it was a philosophical problem and was clearly not up to date about it.
So what is your source of knowledge to say it cannot be a stand alone disease? Where did you get this information from?
Also here
"Researchers don’t know what causes these disorders. In up to half of the cases, healthcare providers cannot identify what triggers the disorder. "
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder: Symptoms & Treatment
Depersonalization/derealization disorder is a common dissociative disorder. If it’s interfering with your life, you may need treatment.
Or here
"Depersonalization/derealization feelings are considered a disorder when the following occur:
- Depersonalization or derealization occurs on its own (that is, it is not caused by drugs or another mental disorder), and it persists or recurs."
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder - Mental Health Disorders - Merck Manuals Consumer Version
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder - Learn about the causes, symptoms, diagnosis & treatment from the Merck Manuals - Medical Consumer Version.
Or here
"The disorder tended to be chronic and persistent. Seventy-one per cent met DSM-IV criteria for primary depersonalisation disorder. "
Depersonalisation disorder: clinical features of 204 cases - PubMed
Depersonalisation disorder is a recognisable clinical entity but appears to have significant comorbidity with anxiety and depression. Research into its aetiology and treatment is warranted.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
almost everyone who recover tell the same and similar things. and almost everyone who tell they have it for 60 years are the same negative personality as well.That's right. I don't believe in the law of attraction. Manifesting a positive outlook doesn't solve all problems. Of course there is a way out for a lot of people, there are a lot of examples here and I have never seen anyone who denied that. But how do you know if people who say there is no way out for themselves are just manifesting a "future negative reality" before themselves? How do you know they are not simply telling the truth? What experience do you have that prooves there is no one in the world who will have this forever? When someone has lost their legs, nobody tells them they should believe their legs will grow again just for the sake of positivity. And as a matter of fact they can even have a positive outlook on their life without believing their legs will grow back. This is irrelevant.
And yes, DPDR is often a symptom of another disease. But specialists do say that DPDR can also be a stand alone disease. They call it depersonalization disorder. Elaine Hunter talks about it in her book ( Overcoming Depersonalization and Feelings of Unreality (Overcoming S): Anthony S. David, Dawn Baker, Elaine Hunter, Emma Lawrence: 9781845295547: Amazon.com: Books ) . She is the head of a department in a clinic in London who only treats patients with DPDR. She is a specialist in this field and has studied this in university, she has 20 years of experience about this disease and has probably seen and treated hundreds of patients with DPDR. She says that sometimes DPDR can be caused by panic attacks and even if you manage to stop the panic attacks and make the person free of anxiety, sometimes DPDR stays the same, and then they call it DPDR disorder and it is indeed a stand alone disorder. But my own psychiatrist did tell me that it could not be a stand alone disease, but he also exhibited a terrible lack of knowledge about DPDR. He could not even understand what a feeling of unreality could mean, he thought it was a philosophical problem and was clearly not up to date about it.
So what is your source of knowledge to say it cannot be a stand alone disease? Where did you get this information from?
Also here
"Researchers don’t know what causes these disorders. In up to half of the cases, healthcare providers cannot identify what triggers the disorder. "
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder: Symptoms & Treatment
Depersonalization/derealization disorder is a common dissociative disorder. If it’s interfering with your life, you may need treatment.
Or here
"Depersonalization/derealization feelings are considered a disorder when the following occur:
- Depersonalization or derealization occurs on its own (that is, it is not caused by drugs or another mental disorder), and it persists or recurs."
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder - Mental Health Disorders - Merck Manuals Consumer Version
Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder - Learn about the causes, symptoms, diagnosis & treatment from the Merck Manuals - Medical Consumer Version.
Or here
"The disorder tended to be chronic and persistent. Seventy-one per cent met DSM-IV criteria for primary depersonalisation disorder. "
Depersonalisation disorder: clinical features of 204 cases - PubMed
Depersonalisation disorder is a recognisable clinical entity but appears to have significant comorbidity with anxiety and depression. Research into its aetiology and treatment is warranted.
i think accepting something is not that easy, that people can say „nah bro i accepted it for 20 years and it is still there“. your metaphor with the legless man was good. but i will give you another here. if you chase your ex girlfriend, until you make the clear and 100 percent decision to accept, that she will never come back, you will never forget her. and to call her every month once or twice is contradicting with „i accepted that she left me“. for me acceptance is „well i have those symptoms and this is my destiny so i have to accept it and look for good things at life.“ the man who didnt have a leg anymore could cry all his life why he lost his leg and whine and bitch everyday. but he could also be like this man here:
this picture above does not mean that he miraculously got legs. but he could also lay at home and search a forum for bionic legs and innovations.
this is just my opinion. i dont know what others think. but if santos barrios recovered after 35 years, this alone means to me that this illness is in particular curable. because if santos barrios would have a version that is „soft“, he would recover on its own after 6 months (like many others here). and i watched his spanish videos as well and he did consistently various things and tried so much. so he achieved his recovery and he can be proud about himself. no one gifted him his recovery. there is one philosophical incontradictable thing: you can never try everything at life time. there is too much to try at an average lifetime. but i think with the negative thinking „no matter what i do my life is shit“ and „im a victim of my illness“ this person wont get anywhere at first place.
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