[Broken]

I intend on trying this again, but properly. I have found a place online that sells packaged measured doses, so they wont oxidise and lose their potency. When I did this before, for a week I felt great. I socialised better, felt better, slept better, had more energy, and was more focused and aware. It started to tail off I believe as I was doing it every day.

The Fadiman protocol involves taking a small dose (0.2g truffles/magic mushrooms) then noting the effects that day and the next day or 'the afteglow'. Then have a day off and take again the next day. So one day on two days off. This prevents you building up tolerance by giving the body/mind a break. I didn't do this so wasted some by taking it every day. After a week I felt no effects. Also, I powdered and dried it which probably oxidised it and made it very weak.

I am on imipramine atm and WILL be coming off it before I start. It has been 5 months and I really dont feel it does anything for me. At all. I was optimistic at first but nothing has changed. One trip I had on magic mushrooms made me feel more embodied and I could hear properly. Like I could hear out of both ears at once, as its almost as if my hearing is 2D with my DP. It is the worst symptom for me and the only one that truly affects my happiness.

It prevents me socialising and I have pretty much become a hermit and only go out when I have to. The only thing that has ever really impacted this is magic mushrooms albeit for twenty minutes or so, but a good sign of what it could do. I wont be tripping at all this time, just taking it every 4th day for at least 6 weeks, doing the proper schedule with proper mushrooms that I know will hold their potency.

There have been some miracle stories with some doing this for depression/ptsd/anxiety. The good news is if it affects me badly I can stop and it will fade pretty quickly. And the dose really shouldnt have any major effects, as it didnt before. When I MD'ed before it helped me socialise and feel happier and more relaxed and sleep better. As I say it faded as I believe I did it wrong... it was also in my coffee which then sunk to the bottom of the cup which again means the dose wasn't always good.

I will update again here, and will categorically not be 'tripping' this time. Last time I did MM I fainted and felt no effect from the drug. Doing it this way is the way forward for me. This is NOT a recommendation for others to do this. But I will update this thread as it goes, I am hoping it arrives next week

 

[Al_pk]

Interesting. Part of me would be too afraid to try this as im in a dark place and wouldnt want to open up the possibility of being anywhere darker. Still, good luck!

 

[Broken]

Thanks! Fair, follow your intuition especially with things of this nature! I actually cant believe I havent considered doing this sooner considering the impact it had on me. I think MY DP (and I say my with capitals as I think all our DP's are unique in some way) is largely dissociative from trauma, and that things have become disconnected to suppress it. So something like this helps the brain connect more as it increases neurogenesis. Will update here how it goes, could get it next week hopefully

 

[Al_pk]

I mean the research on the medicinal use of this kind of stuff is compelling for ptsd, anxiety and the like, think the idea is to 'microdose'. Me personally, i have a panic/phobia of drug use due to bad experiences and i have no idea about the roots of my DP so i am just playing the waiting game. Look forward to seeing the update, best of luck broken

 

[forestx5]

I like mushrooms on my steak, with lots of gravy. Maybe a dash of A-1 sauce.

 

[James_80]

I intend on trying this again, but properly. I have found a place online that sells packaged measured doses, so they wont oxidise and lose their potency. When I did this before, for a week I felt great. I socialised better, felt better, slept better, had more energy, and was more focused and aware. It started to tail off I believe as I was doing it every day.

The Fadiman protocol involves taking a small dose (0.2g truffles/magic mushrooms) then noting the effects that day and the next day or 'the afteglow'. Then have a day off and take again the next day. So one day on two days off. This prevents you building up tolerance by giving the body/mind a break. I didn't do this so wasted some by taking it every day. After a week I felt no effects. Also, I powdered and dried it which probably oxidised it and made it very weak.

I am on imipramine atm and WILL be coming off it before I start. It has been 5 months and I really dont feel it does anything for me. At all. I was optimistic at first but nothing has changed. One trip I had on magic mushrooms made me feel more embodied and I could hear properly. Like I could hear out of both ears at once, as its almost as if my hearing is 2D with my DP. It is the worst symptom for me and the only one that truly affects my happiness.

It prevents me socialising and I have pretty much become a hermit and only go out when I have to. The only thing that has ever really impacted this is magic mushrooms albeit for twenty minutes or so, but a good sign of what it could do. I wont be tripping at all this time, just taking it every 4th day for at least 6 weeks, doing the proper schedule with proper mushrooms that I know will hold their potency.

There have been some miracle stories with some doing this for depression/ptsd/anxiety. The good news is if it affects me badly I can stop and it will fade pretty quickly. And the dose really shouldnt have any major effects, as it didnt before. When I MD'ed before it helped me socialise and feel happier and more relaxed and sleep better. As I say it faded as I believe I did it wrong... it was also in my coffee which then sunk to the bottom of the cup which again means the dose wasn't always good.

I will update again here, and will categorically not be 'tripping' this time. Last time I did MM I fainted and felt no effect from the drug. Doing it this way is the way forward for me. This is NOT a recommendation for others to do this. But I will update this thread as it goes, I am hoping it arrives next week

Sounds good. Can you pm the place online that sells packaged measured doses? Or point me in the right direction? Thinking of doing this myself.

 

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Havent watched this yet, but the comments are very interesting in terms of microdosing and mental health:

 

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For those that are interested, this has either taken longer to arrive than usual or has been ceased at customs. Latest it can come is Tuesday so if it hasn't come by then will update here & most probably reorder some

 

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Both livid and happy right now. My postman decided not to post the letter sized parcel through my box and take it away to be signed. Secondly they took 2 parcels away and only left my name on the card they left behind, so I assumed it hadn't been (changed my name for the MM just in case). So basically, it arrived as fast as it usually did, within 5 days and was here Friday. As long as your postman has an IQ over 80 he will just put it through the bloody letterbox

Anyway, I have just taken my first dose with OJ. Should take an hour to feel any effect. Going to take it every other day for the first week, then a 2 day gap after that. Have to say though I am impressed with the speed and price of this. And it is air sealed, to be left in the fridge so I shouldn't have any oxidation going on this time. In terms of price per month, we are looking at £20 which is a steal.

This is yet another article I found on microdosing, showing more and more people are having to break our outdated laws in order to function. Also, I only advocate microdosing here, especially with dissociation/DP. Tripping is just too much of a risk, considering the impact microdosing has as well:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/03/psychedelic-drugs-women-taking-tiny-doses-hattie-garlick?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Oo0CVTvXtrNacXnj9DNdnNuCb0qvCg-FyvJgH3geiSYFhgbMVE86ZCfo#Echobox=1557485096

 

[forestx5]

www.erowid.com is a web site that chronicles the use of psychoactive drugs by the general public. The site is funded in part by the scientific/medical community that is forbidden to do experiments with psychoactives,

but is very interested in the experiences of those who take these substances. Users are free to submit their experiences, which are chronicled ad featured on line.

 

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It's been 2 hours and not much to report lol last time I had felt the impact, but I have been productive at least today getting things done.

I did notice that dreams were a lot more vivid last time, perhaps something yet to come. I saw you commented on dreams being important recently forestx5. I agree, and they have been fairly uncommon in the last 14 years. Have also noticed that DP and mood always seem to coincide with an increase in dream recall and better sleep.

Saw a really interesting youtube video recently and the guy mentioned that people with a rose allergy can experience an allergic reaction to SEEING a plastic rose. He also stated that shrooms seemingly cured his life long allergy to cats.

The mind body connection is still massively underestimated. Perhaps deep down, DP is some conditioned reflex to anxiety/stress that we can't seem to undo ourselves. Some really incredible stories out there of of mushrooms literally working magic, and not just for mental heath. Cluster headaches, tinnitus, allergies, sun sensitivity(?!?). They sound so bizarre and off the wall you cant blame scientists for putting it down as just a bullshit drug experience for so long. Studies are starting though and already look incredible

 

[James_80]

It's been 2 hours and not much to report lol last time I had felt the impact, but I have been productive at least today getting things done.

I did notice that dreams were a lot more vivid last time, perhaps something yet to come. I saw you commented on dreams being important recently forestx5. I agree, and they have been fairly uncommon in the last 14 years. Have also noticed that DP and mood always seem to coincide with an increase in dream recall and better sleep.

Saw a really interesting youtube video recently and the guy mentioned that people with a rose allergy can experience an allergic reaction to SEEING a plastic rose. He also stated that shrooms seemingly cured his life long allergy to cats.

The mind body connection is still massively underestimated. Perhaps deep down, DP is some conditioned reflex to anxiety/stress that we can't seem to undo ourselves. Some really incredible stories out there of of mushrooms literally working magic, and not just for mental heath. Cluster headaches, tinnitus, allergies, sun sensitivity(?!?). They sound so bizarre and off the wall you cant blame scientists for putting it down as just a bullshit drug experience for so long. Studies are starting though and already look incredible

That is interesting about dream recall/intensity being related to mood. I have noticed on several occasions that after having a night of intense, vivid dreams, even nightmares, that my mood will be greatly improved the next day. Perhaps it is something to do with the brain being able to process experiences/emotions/trauma.

I think scientists simply haven't been able to get funding for research on psychedelics for many decades. It is a shame as so much could have been learned in that time. Things appear to be changing now though.

 

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That is interesting about dream recall/intensity being related to mood. I have noticed on several occasions that after having a night of intense, vivid dreams, even nightmares, that my mood will be greatly improved the next day. Perhaps it is something to do with the brain being able to process experiences/emotions/trauma

Exactly that I think. The more we process emotions the more we can reboot I think and they not be so overwhelming. Weirdly I am getting slight headaches, perhaps things being rewired lol who knows. Nothing too major, very tired atm as not sleeping great after stopping Imipramine so I can do this. But optimistic and my mood hasnt changed greatly since stopping. And my energy and appetite have improved so think I am better off on Imipramine anyway.

Psychedelics have gotten a bad rep. Understandably as people are idiots. If you said there is this new fuel that will make your car super fast but there is a 10% chance it will blow up (very bad odds lol) enough fucking morons would do it that it would HAVE to be made illegal. Psychedelics are the same.

I kind of think scientists are still on the wrong side of this. Why make people trip? It only takes one person to have a bad experience and do something silly and that is it for research for another decade. Microdosing is the way to go. A subtle, gentle, rewiring/rebooting of the brain. Sure it is amazing when someones depression is cured in one trip. But there is so much active and connecting that you could severely fuck someone over.... anyway, I intend on doing MD'ing for some time.

Will update my progress here now, just feel tired today. This happened a little bit the first time I think. Then I slept a hell of a lot better that night and dreamt/woke up relaxed/rested so fingers crossed

 

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2nd dose down. Sleeping better and at night feel tension being released in my abdomen. Part of the issue since the panic attack that started this. I also vape CBD daily to help relax. Have some socialising to do today which I always find hard. But Psilocybin activates the 5HT2a receptor, which is involved in many social networks of the brain. It is also found in the cingulate and insular cortex, two many regions that have been found to be dysfunctional in nearly all DPD brain scan studies.

Like I say I wasn't expecting a miracle. Just slow steady progress. Nothing negative to report so far only good! Have a stag do for the weekend starting tomorrow so hopefully it helps. Socialising is the thing that bothers me most so hopefully it fires up some networks making it easier to keep up with it all! Will report back here soon, let me know if anyone else is thinking of trying this!

5HT2a quotes: "Agonists enhance dopamine in PFC,[19] enhance memory and play an active role in attention and learning"

"Downregulation of post-synaptic 5-HT2A receptor is an adaptive process provoked by chronic administration of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors(SSRIs) and classical antipsychotics"

"An important gene associated with Depersonalization Disorder is TNFSF11 (TNF Superfamily Member 11), and among its related pathways/superpathways are NF-kappaB Signaling and Apoptosis and Autophagy" >>>> "NF-κB has also been implicated in processes of synaptic plasticity and memory." >>>> "Other 5-HT2A agonists like LSD also have potent anti-inflammatory effects against TNF-alpha-induced inflammation." (admittedly a long shot, but a new pathway involved in DP, specifically the direct root of inflammation)

 

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A good day socially, energy wise, better sleep, more present. Subtle but definitely there. More confident in myself. With time it will all improve I feel. Slow but sure progress, so sillyness tripping or anything. No need, no rush. And am not feeling me getting off these any time soon again. It worked first time, and it works now. Just time and patience is needed. Will update here as it goes. Best thing is sleep, which has been largely lacking recently so that has been very welcome. On a stag the next few days but I WILL be back!

 

[Broken]

Am going to double dose tomorrow and record the effects. Have been generally quite good so far, more present, social, aware, more energy, more emotional, mentally sharper. Has been pretty awesome tbh, early days for DP to be effected but with time I hope it will help

 

[Phantasm]

Be careful. I don't think I would do this myself. I remember there are dream herbs and other things, but what do you do when you've taken them. I think maybe state of mind is more important than anything you take, receptive, non-combative.

 

[Broken]

Follow your intuition mate. I'm just a guinea pig here, but I have an exhaustive list of things that havent really touched my DP. I categorically do NOT advocate tripping anyway. Even for depression/anxiety but especially for dissociation. It is dangerous and we dont know enough yet, so I dont know why scientists are risking it making people trip their tits off.

For me microdosing has yet to give any negative effects and has been better than any antidepressant I have taken. And it is natural.... to be used very cautiously. Everything improves, plan to do it for a few months and will update here, discussing good and bad effects. There will be cons, but genuinely I havent found them yet. Maybe the fact it is technically a class A drug is a drawback lol. The science is coming & the politicians will be a decade behind it as per usual

 

[James_80]

Follow your intuition mate. I'm just a guinea pig here, but I have an exhaustive list of things that havent really touched my DP. I categorically do NOT advocate tripping anyway. Even for depression/anxiety but especially for dissociation. It is dangerous and we dont know enough yet, so I dont know why scientists are risking it making people trip their tits off.

For me microdosing has yet to give any negative effects and has been better than any antidepressant I have taken. And it is natural.... to be used very cautiously. Everything improves, plan to do it for a few months and will update here, discussing good and bad effects. There will be cons, but genuinely I havent found them yet. Maybe the fact it is technically a class A drug is a drawback lol. The science is coming & the politicians will be a decade behind it as per usual

I predict microdose mushroom tea bags on sale in 10 years time....

Why did they become Class A in UK again in 2005?

 

[Broken]

I think you are right about tea bags and it going mainstream, in silicon valley all the programmers are doing it and their productivity is off the charts. These arent stupid people. They are some of the smartest minds in the world. I would caution against long term though and they tend to do 4 month cycles. I am cautious about long term effects but largely optimistic to be frank.

God only knows why they became illegal again. Because people arent educated about these things. Education is "never take illegal drugs". So then someone disrespects these powerful tools and takes it in the middle of a night out, freaks out, loses control, and is found in dead in a river the next day. Its tragic and unavoidable, people will take these substances anyway, and unfortunately arent going to educate themselves about it before. Set and setting are absolutely vital with psychedelics. And also break yourself in easy, dont take a ridiculous dose on your first try!

I made these errors with marijuana tbh and that is what got me in this mess. Even microdosing that I am open minded to. But without education people think they can just get 'higher and higher' and feel better and better. But the more you push it the more likely the opposite will happen