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I guess this question is more for those that have recovered or are on that path. I have started to notice certian things that tend to make my dp and dr worse. Being in a large crowded place, getting angry, talking about my sexuality, being alone, things like that. Would this be something I want to explore deeper, as these may be some of the basic underlying issues that are causing/feedign my dp? Or are they just things that can intensify the feelings. Hope this makes sense.
 

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In my opinion, dp is a defense mechanism. Or at least that's part of it. So if you notice certain situations that trigger dp, it might be worth looking into why they make you feel that way. Keep in mind that, if you are on the path to recovery, you may experience several backslides when you start looking into these things. That doesn't mean you're not getting better, but sometimes it doesn't feel like you are. Good luck!
 

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In my opinion, dp is a defense mechanism. Or at least that's part of it. So if you notice certain situations that trigger dp, it might be worth looking into why they make you feel that way. Keep in mind that, if you are on the path to recovery, you may experience several backslides when you start looking into these things. That doesn't mean you're not getting better, but sometimes it doesn't feel like you are. Good luck!
I got the feeling that DP was a defense mechanism as well. It's almost a comfortable state or something for this period in my life, and I really believe that my DP came because of that reason. I have been looking into why certain situations caused my DP, and that HAS made me backslide a bit. I hate not knowing what's going on, but it always ends up me having to convince myself that I need to not think about it anymore until I'm completely recovered and I have more knowledge about it.
 

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I think alot of body and mind problems are when the forces and systems within one's self are out of synchronization and have become disrupted. Each person is different, but for me; spirituality is non-dogmatic and everybody decides what?s their own divine path. The physical body is matter and all thoughts are energy therefore all matter is energy and all energy is matter; so the physical body, spirit and sub-conscious can be one. This is not just my statement, it's the conlusion that science would draw from Einstein's equation- e =mc2 (c being squared, but I could not show the 2 as a power). Problems occur when they are not harmonised and together as a whole and undivided being. Pain and guilt get stored in the sub-conscious and if they cannot be released the excess negative energy upsets the body?s energy; it?s like a river valley that?s been dammed and the flow downstream is upset. Release for me is the harmonisation of energy; the visualisation of unwanted ties, emotions and energy then cutting the cords that bind help. As I said it?s personal and each person will find what they seek if they can ask the right question. My dp/dr disapears occasionally when I am balance once again as it did this time last year when I went on a "spiritual" break away from home.
 

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i definitely think dp/dr is like a defense mechanism
that metaphor of the dam blocking the river flow makes alot of sense
my life was pretty much going downhill before the dp/dr so i think there's definitely some hidden causes as to why i have it. right now i feel as though there's blockages in my psychic energy. there was a breakthrough though a week or so before this where i felt myself again more or less in control, now i feel in control but still the blockages are there. i think maybe going to a shrink will help me discover some hidden blocks, as well as doing some exercises to help my mind go to a more natual state.
 

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Everybody in this thread has put it so well, that I cannot add anything but something that probably goes without saying (or has been said here). And that is just that the more pain we let out through our bodies, the greater the space inside us there is for wholeness and peace.

When we cry "inside" but not outside, we lose all the healing power of our emotions -- which were wired into us by our Creator for their health-inducing properties -- not by some unthought-out accident.

We cry for what reason? To heal ourselves. To heal ourselves. That's it. To remove toxic substances from our bodies and our minds.

Never cry "inside." It's as useful to us as inhaling sand.
 

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I think alot of body and mind problems are when the forces and systems within one's self are out of synchronization and have become disrupted. Each person is different, but for me; spirituality is non-dogmatic and everybody decides what?s their own divine path. The physical body is matter and all thoughts are energy therefore all matter is energy and all energy is matter; so the physical body, spirit and sub-conscious can be one. This is not just my statement, it's the conlusion that science would draw from Einstein's equation- e =mc2 (c being squared, but I could not show the 2 as a power). Problems occur when they are not harmonised and together as a whole and undivided being. Pain and guilt get stored in the sub-conscious and if they cannot be released the excess negative energy upsets the body?s energy; it?s like a river valley that?s been dammed and the flow downstream is upset. Release for me is the harmonisation of energy; the visualisation of unwanted ties, emotions and energy then cutting the cords that bind help. As I said it?s personal and each person will find what they seek if they can ask the right question. My dp/dr disapears occasionally when I am balance once again as it did this time last year when I went on a "spiritual" break away from home.
Wow. This is what I felt exactly what happened to me. I was focusing on myself so much spiritually and something with my body/mind went out of balance. I knew that almost intuitively. I was meditating constantly and it's like something just went over the edge and went out of harmony. I don't know if it's because I just couldn't handle it or if something really did just go out of balance, or both. But I remember, for me, what I was experiencing spiritually felt too much for me to handle, and that's where the anxiety all started.
 

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There are two ways of looking at triggers for dp/dr in my oppinion.The first is to identify what trips you out and then to avoid the triggers.the second is to identify them and meet them head on.the answer in my experience lies somewhere between the two.If you are having a particularly bad day,then avoid the stresses that will put you down further.But if you feel strong on a day,dont postpone or avoid events because you are afraid of going down again.stress on your own terms in the beginning that you can anticipate is a gr8 first step.there is no such thing as no stress,everyone analyses to a certain degree,this is the reality of human consciousness.
dont be held to ransom by dp/dr.Reintegration into life is the ultimate goal of dp sufferers.Being alone and idle is,in the long term,a very poor strategy and against human nature.
 

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I forgot to include the triggers that I avoid at all costs.No meeting these head on at all.
Alcohol or drug abuse
Philosophy/deep psychology
Occult/the weird and ethereal
Doing absolutely nothing
Idoling without structure,ie flicking aimlessly from tv channels

Action and structure is what is needed.The less ''what ifs" or deep existential issues without concrete answers,the better.
 

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Action and structure is what is needed.The less ''what ifs" or deep existential issues without concrete answers,the better.
Agreed. I've always been very drawn to understanding what the hell is going on, and trying to become more aware of things. I'm very prone to withdrawing into my own mind. Well now that I am vulnerable of high anxiety, that isn't so healthy these days.
 

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Everything has a trigger -- literally everything. Hunger has a trigger, love has a trigger, sleep has a trigger, anxiety has a trigger.

Mental triggers are unconscious, which is why psychoanalytic therapy is so effective. Such therapy helps one to coax the unconscious triggers into consciousness. When that happens, we can see where our conscious thought indeed DOES hook into an unconscious thought and triggers DP or any other anxiety-related symptom.

It's like hearing an old song that you loved when you were 15, that you used to sing and dance to, and that you have a lot of good feelings associated with. If you're, let's say, buying groceries, and that song is playing in the background, you may not consciously hear it, but your subconscious mind reacts to it. You may wonder why all of a sudden you feel so good -- literally out of nowhere. Then, perhaps, you hear the song continuing to play consciously and say to your friend who's standing there beside you, "Oh, I love that song!"

Now tell me that has never happened to you. :lol:
 
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In response to your question, peaceboy, I think it is good to be aware of those things that trigger your dp/dr. I've found that, for me personally, just being aware of these things is enough. If I try to analyze them, it sometimes sends my mind into a spiral and I end up so within myself that I become waaaay more depersonalized, anxious and depressed. A good idea would be to talk about these things with a therapist/counselor since they are trained in how to make these connections without making your mind go in circles. This is just my experience tho. Hope this helps.
 

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There is always the very real danger that what is a "trigger" if thought about enough qua trigger, will turn into a bona fide phobia.

Please be careful! In fact, noticing triggers is the first step in developing a paralyzing phobia. That's exactly how phobias develop.

Nothing in life should "trigger" anxiety or DP except immediate physical danger. DP or panic is a malfunctioning of the adrenal system. That's all it is. If you agonize over discovering triggers and protecting yourself from ever getting into a situation where those triggers even may be present, you are literally going to make yourself sick.

If you want to think about something, don't think about what triggers DP, because whatever it is is not the real trigger. Think about finding out what the REAL trigger is. That is something known only to you, which is why nobody can help you (except a good therapist).

Find and KILL the trigger that is hiding in your unconscious. We are the only ones who know what the REAL trigger is, and even WE don't know it because it's in our sneaky little unconscious. We have to spy on our unconscious mind, as it were, yes, SPY on our unconscious, in order to find out what the little bugger is up to.
 

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"And how on earth does one go about finding the real trigger???
Or is that the whole problem itself?"

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Maybe if we all took a deep breath and said in unison, throughout the earth, "Janine, please call your office!" she would appear to give the words that only she can.

I am serious. She is so good, while I am just a clumsy buffoon trying to emulate her. :roll:

I'll try for two sentences, though: When we don't want to deal with something in our inner life, our "little helper" aka "the unconscious" helps us by hiding that something away where we don't have to deal with it. We are temporarily happy. (Oh, no. That's my two-sentence limit.)

What the heck. Screw the limit. Okay. Our little helper is such a fine fellow that he performs his task much better than "we" could on our own; in fact, we couldn't on our own, so he does it, and we just love him to bits for it. However, what our little helper and we do not know is that, like magic, the thing we allowed him to hide from us, because it is hidden and isolated from everything else in the universe, turns toxic.

All by itself, it turns into a poison, a fearful, terrible thing that is horrific and deadly. What's worse, what our little helper and we do not know is that each and every hiding place, though it seems so totally perfect for its task and so cozy and so well-protected, has an intrinsic and inevitable flaw.

You see, each and every hiding place will develop a "stress fracture," just like the ones that develop in steel. (That the word "stress" is such a useful word for us these days is something we can ponder later, but the imagery of steel breaking under pressure may help in visualizing why one's mind seems a bit "overloaded" (you should pardon the expression) at times).

So, no hiding place is actually very safe at all, because each and every one is going to develop a stress fracture. Through that opening, the something that our little helper hid so well -- that has now turned into a fearful, terrible thing that is horrific and deadly -- is going to seep out.

It escapes!

Well, don't you just know that our little helper is pyst bigtime? He's having caniptions up the wazoo and carrying on like God had outlawed smiling or something. He runs around trying to catch the poisonous something we asked him to hide away, but he cannot find it and hide it again. It has escaped and is just about to burst back into our consciousness as a very, very, unpleasant problem that we will HAVE to deal with. We are still unaware, however, that it has escaped and is out of its hiding place. We would very soon become conscious of the necessity of dealing with that old something..... unless....

Ever our darling helper, the unconscious now tries to "help" us even more ('ya gotta admire such dedication, though, don't you?) by causing us to not see the horrible something, which, if we gathered our mental strength up against, we could now easily defeat and neutralize (after all, the something has been hidden away for quite a while now, and we are older, stronger, and smarter, and we have better tools to deal with it than we had years and years ago when we hid it away). To "help" us from having to neutralize the poisonous something -- again, something we could now EASILY do if we could only see it (become conscious of its existence) -- our little helper creates a distraction for us so that we are too busy to go hunting down the poison so that we can neutralize it and finally be REALLY rid of it.

What is that distraction? Our little helper decides to enlist his little elves, the hormones, to his cause of being absolutely sure that the something we wanted hidden remains hidden. As I mentioned earlier, our little helper is not really the sharpest pencil in the box, although he'd probably kill me if he knew I said that to you, so please don't tell him, okay? Thanks. The hormones are not really very smart, either, you know. They only know their little knee-jerk reactions and not much more, so they obey our little helper, who, after all, is far more intelligent and worldly than they are. He, unlike they, knows English. They are very impressed with that, even though they don't understand a word of it. He tends to throw orange juice at them when he gets mad, and they just are really not into that at all. He tells them he will throw OJ at them all day unless they play golf nonstop 24/7. They agree. They'll play until they die, if that's what it takes.

The utter bedlam our hormones now cause is such that we seem to ourselves to be alternatively Buddhas, zombies, Mozarts, and worms and we are so worn out that we never have time to see the escaped something.

One day, though, we decide to tell our little helper who's boss. We befriend him, actually, and try to educate him a bit. We ask him what the [email protected]#$%^&*( he is doing. We ask him what's wrong. He is a very funny fellow. He never answers a question directly. He needs to be spoken to obliquely, and he will answer obliquely. He will tell you where what you hid is headquartered and gradually he will even tell you what that something is -- after all, you have no idea at this point because you GOT TOTALLY RID OF IT LONG AGO. You have no conscious knowledge of what the poisonous thing is; only your little helper knows.

He will tell you where and what it is once he knows you are not out to kill him. He thinks he protects you, so his protecting his own existence is really, in his view, an act of altruism. He loves you desperately. He only wants your good. Unfortunately, he never fully grew up, and he never ever will. You are the grown up and he is your little helper. But you, the grown up, took advantage of him so long ago. You sought to remove pain from your life entirely, and you enlisted his help. Now you know that all of the hiding places will develop fractures and that no place is a safe hiding place. Your little helper didn't know that and you didn't know that. You are now both wiser. But you are the boss and you must never give up that status again. You must never entrust to him the intelligent care of your needs -- he is never going to grow up and deal with things as rationally as you. After all, would YOU have hidden that something away in a place from which it would later seep out and poison you? No, of course not. You are too intelligent. But your little helper is not all that smart. Oh, he's loyal and true, and he loves you to death, but he's more like a dog than anything else, when you get right down to it.

But, get him to talk to you, show him you care, get him to give up his secrets, and you will know the trigger.

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Some call this reintegration of the Self, where the unconscious and conscious are not so fully cut off from each other as to cause symptoms of anxiety, panic, and DP.

Psychoanalytic therapy is the best route for "making friends" with the unconscious.

I'm sure there are holes in my tale, but I hope you get my drift.
 
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