Psychiatry a total sham? Exists because of a hugh money making machine? There are many people who beg to differ, since psychaitry has helped untold numbers of people with all sorts of mental conditions. Is medicine a total sham since a lot of cancer patients still die when diagnosed with cancer at an early stage? I agree that there are some who've had negative experiences with psychiatrists; I also know people who've had negative experiences with their primary care physicians.
Tom Cruise pissed me off
After hearing what Tom Cruise said during an interview on NBC with Matt Lauer, I lost total respect for that bastard. Stating that psychiatry is a "pesudo science" and that Brook Shields' post partum depression could have been easiily remedied with some vitamins and a little exercise is such BS. Hey Tom, stick to your beautiful sunglasses and hair and"over photoshoped" high action, lame-plotted movies.
I wonder how Brook Shields must have felt after that remark.
That prick couldnt last a minute with the DR/DP lots of us have.
Sorry, I had to bring this up.
-Andy
I wonder how Brook Shields must have felt after that remark.
That prick couldnt last a minute with the DR/DP lots of us have.
Sorry, I had to bring this up.
-Andy
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Psychiatry has helped untold numbers of people? It is a 'science'?
Over 40 years ago, psychiatrists were slicing and removing parts of peoples frontal lobes in an effort to supposedly help them. Infact studies at the time would write that the operation actually helped them, when anyone who is normal knows that is was murder.
Where does this view come from that everyone is helped, or even a great deal by psychiatry?, its like the advertising slogan that comes with these drugs is ingrained. Or a believe that you aren't intelligent if you can't respect a psychiatrists opinions. Who are these people who been helped? is that the advertised smiling face on Paxil.com because that seems a little bit contrived to me.
Why does someone who putdown things normally just get listened to, whereas when you put down psychiatry you have to be dismissed or labelled into belonging to a cult. I'm not of any particular cult or religion, but there are appauling things happening in psychiatry still.
Some psychiatric meds have appauling side effects like tardive akathisia, which were covered up in the original trials of these drugs, so that they could be definitely put forward to be sold.
These side effects actually cause loss of life, they are so excruicatingly awful and immoral, and the people who don't get these effects might be saying that the drug percievably helped them, but it is a lottery ticket to how you will react to some of these tablets.
Some people argue that introducing a tablet which alters serotonin etc, is 'causing an imbalance', people start being sick after they take these things, which is the bodies relfex repsonse to something unhealthy or poisonous.
When you alter your natural chemistry, by rechanging the way a system in the brain works or how much of 1 particular synapse chemical it recieves, why is it crazy to say this doesn't sometimes causes awful alterations?
It is like being a lab-rat, because serotonin also affects aggression, libido, appetite, this is why many people say they experience strange things like loss of libido as side effects.
So sometimes when someone is unpredictably disinhibiting themselves on this stuff, it will make them aggressive without fully realising it, because of the alteration to their serotonin levels.
Of course other people take this stuff + say they feels it helps them, perhaps because of a placebo effect, or only milder effects from it which aren't painful side effects. + because they been told that it 'will' help with depression/anxiety etc., the intoxication/med effects they judge as a benefit, perhaps maybe tranquility.
But I have the right to be 'me' as my normal chemistry if I desire, seeing as I personally dont need a med, i'm no longer chemically altered. I want to think as the regular natural 'me'.
Does this really have anything more to do with scientology than it does to being a christian? This is not an argument. 8)
Did you know that when Paxil came out that there was a scheme which offered doctors a bonus if they got a certain threshold of patients spotted for suffering depression and on the drugs?
In parts of the USA it is still possible to pick up a 'paxil' starter pack for free which can given out to patients without prescription charge. If something like this is going to be advertised on TV why can't it just be called a 'product' instead of a medicine.
Is a handcream infomercial for a medicine or a product?
Grandma.
Over 40 years ago, psychiatrists were slicing and removing parts of peoples frontal lobes in an effort to supposedly help them. Infact studies at the time would write that the operation actually helped them, when anyone who is normal knows that is was murder.
Where does this view come from that everyone is helped, or even a great deal by psychiatry?, its like the advertising slogan that comes with these drugs is ingrained. Or a believe that you aren't intelligent if you can't respect a psychiatrists opinions. Who are these people who been helped? is that the advertised smiling face on Paxil.com because that seems a little bit contrived to me.
Why does someone who putdown things normally just get listened to, whereas when you put down psychiatry you have to be dismissed or labelled into belonging to a cult. I'm not of any particular cult or religion, but there are appauling things happening in psychiatry still.
Some psychiatric meds have appauling side effects like tardive akathisia, which were covered up in the original trials of these drugs, so that they could be definitely put forward to be sold.
These side effects actually cause loss of life, they are so excruicatingly awful and immoral, and the people who don't get these effects might be saying that the drug percievably helped them, but it is a lottery ticket to how you will react to some of these tablets.
Some people argue that introducing a tablet which alters serotonin etc, is 'causing an imbalance', people start being sick after they take these things, which is the bodies relfex repsonse to something unhealthy or poisonous.
When you alter your natural chemistry, by rechanging the way a system in the brain works or how much of 1 particular synapse chemical it recieves, why is it crazy to say this doesn't sometimes causes awful alterations?
It is like being a lab-rat, because serotonin also affects aggression, libido, appetite, this is why many people say they experience strange things like loss of libido as side effects.
So sometimes when someone is unpredictably disinhibiting themselves on this stuff, it will make them aggressive without fully realising it, because of the alteration to their serotonin levels.
Of course other people take this stuff + say they feels it helps them, perhaps because of a placebo effect, or only milder effects from it which aren't painful side effects. + because they been told that it 'will' help with depression/anxiety etc., the intoxication/med effects they judge as a benefit, perhaps maybe tranquility.
But I have the right to be 'me' as my normal chemistry if I desire, seeing as I personally dont need a med, i'm no longer chemically altered. I want to think as the regular natural 'me'.
Does this really have anything more to do with scientology than it does to being a christian? This is not an argument. 8)
Did you know that when Paxil came out that there was a scheme which offered doctors a bonus if they got a certain threshold of patients spotted for suffering depression and on the drugs?
In parts of the USA it is still possible to pick up a 'paxil' starter pack for free which can given out to patients without prescription charge. If something like this is going to be advertised on TV why can't it just be called a 'product' instead of a medicine.
Is a handcream infomercial for a medicine or a product?
Grandma.
I live in Clearwater Florida, headquarters of Scientology. Having talked to many ex members, and some current followers, I can only say that it is a complete brainwash gimmick with one goal in mind...to get your $$$$$$. Sea Org, Dead-Agenting, etc.....I've got some good inside scoop on these clowns. I was tempted to check it out because they've got some young hotties walking around their headquarters from all over the world, but you probably have to fill out a form divulging all of your information before you can take them out on a date.
I don't understand this sudden interest in scientology and whatever Tom whocares Cruise has to say...but i thought this was amusing, a thread on the Nuwabian msg board, ya know another cult whose members are descendents of extraterrestrials:
-ru
and i thought Tom was just making movies for entertainment :shock:The movie "war of the worlds" marks the beginning of the gr8 karmic/kosmic battle/war in heaven [ref., 12 chp.]. Big screen T.V. is where they TELE EYE-VISION [tele; distance + eye vision or seeing into the future] or transmit subtle prophecy into the minds of the sheeples. War of the worlds is what happens in an alternate/parallel future reality to our world.
Its now a matter of time before it cascades and trickles down into real time and our grade of reality.
STAY TUNED!
-ru
G
URL please, I've got some f*cktards to wind up...rula said:I don't understand this sudden interest in scientology and whatever Tom whocares Cruise has to say...but i thought this was amusing, a thread on the Nuwabian msg board, ya know another cult whose members are descendents of extraterrestrials:
and i thought Tom was just making movies for entertainment :shock:The movie "war of the worlds" marks the beginning of the gr8 karmic/kosmic battle/war in heaven [ref., 12 chp.]. Big screen T.V. is where they TELE EYE-VISION [tele; distance + eye vision or seeing into the future] or transmit subtle prophecy into the minds of the sheeples. War of the worlds is what happens in an alternate/parallel future reality to our world.
Its now a matter of time before it cascades and trickles down into real time and our grade of reality.
STAY TUNED!
-ru
That was pretty damn low Rula. Why don't we all just gang the fuck up on someone over some other misunderstanding? Seriously. Besides, he insulted tom cruise, who in my opinion is indeed a stupid man who on a sidenote needs to get the hell out of the closet already.Oh Jebus Sajourner, here we go YET again with the insults.
And all this stuff about scientology is stupid.
And all this stuff about whether or not psychiatry is a god damed science is stupid...I've read a lot of that material before...mostly when I was still blaming the meds for my disorder. and it's SO EASY to just latch on to bashing a profession when it's slightly controversial...sometimes i believe that people like to bash psychiatry to feel more important themselves for not having gone through 10 years of college like the psychiatrists did.
We don't know if it's a science, but I know of people who have taken antidepressants and it saved them from doing things like KILL THEMSELVES. That sounds like some good enough science to me.
BTW Rula, we all know Dakotajo pretty well, and i'm definitely of the camp that says:
He suffered.
His case is outweighed by the people that have benefitted from these meds.
Half of what he says is out of personal spite.
I know people that would have done horrible things to themselves or others if it weren't for the meds.
Period.
He suffered.
His case is outweighed by the people that have benefitted from these meds.
Half of what he says is out of personal spite.
I know people that would have done horrible things to themselves or others if it weren't for the meds.
Period.
p3,
perhaps you didn't read the entire post...but Sajourner was attacking ME personally, she/he didn't deny that. and she/he had done it in other threads before, and quite honestly i've been pretty damn polite in my replies considering the amount of unnecessary name calling so far. so please, don't lecture me.
and thank you for deciding that everything we're talking about is stupid, cuz you say so. I know a lot of ppl who took AD's and got MUCH MUCH worse, suicidal even. statistics on suicide and AD use don't exactly support your argument.
and for your personal info, I went to college, I have a double major in Engineering/comp. sci. and graduated with honors...but wait, i need to feel superior by discrediting the quackery that is psychiatry. you're right again.
-ru
perhaps you didn't read the entire post...but Sajourner was attacking ME personally, she/he didn't deny that. and she/he had done it in other threads before, and quite honestly i've been pretty damn polite in my replies considering the amount of unnecessary name calling so far. so please, don't lecture me.
and thank you for deciding that everything we're talking about is stupid, cuz you say so. I know a lot of ppl who took AD's and got MUCH MUCH worse, suicidal even. statistics on suicide and AD use don't exactly support your argument.
and for your personal info, I went to college, I have a double major in Engineering/comp. sci. and graduated with honors...but wait, i need to feel superior by discrediting the quackery that is psychiatry. you're right again.
-ru
Thats great. But wheres the outrage when companies cover up harmful sometimes fatal side effects? wheres the outrage at the influence that drug companies hold over many doctors? You dont have to completely bash psychiatry but dont become an apologist for it either just because it does help people who are in extreme need. It also hurts people and to say that drug company execs dont do whatever they have to do to sell their product is a bit naive. Even if psychiatry is a viable science and you agree with this dont overlook major problems with this field. Dont accept the opinion of a psychiatrist simply because he's gone through 10 years of college. Its not an unfit conclusion that environments such as these can encourage a groupthink mentality where doctors believe they're doing whats right when in reality they are actually causing some harm.
Person 3-- not to get off the subject, but I agree with you. Tom Cruise has always struck me as a Flaming Queen. Whenever I see him I get this urge to listen to Barry Manilow or the Village People.
What about when tardive 'akathisia' drives someone into having suicidal feelings, worse still 'causes' them to attempt to put themselves out the indescribable pain their in and feeling within their spinal column,
when it activates on neuroleptics, or SSRI's?
Even though it can be treated, this condition/side effect is almost denied being a possible reality, within mainstream psychiatry. Is it then not even more unfair, when someone still has apparently to respect the status of a psychiatrist, otherwise to be ridiculed or possibly called a scientologist or oddity,
on the merits of a psychiatric doctor being intellectual and therefore correct on everything involving their subject, even though being incapable of realising that not everyone, not half as many as publicised reacts to these things in a tangibly benefitting way, and it sometimes costs the patients life.
The fact that this person may have been to medical school for over 10 years, and still doesn't seemingly have a clue about what they are doing, when making people extremely disturbed from the specific side effects of these meds sometimes, is why it is scarier still.
http://www.breggin.com/31-49.pdf
Grandma.
when it activates on neuroleptics, or SSRI's?
Even though it can be treated, this condition/side effect is almost denied being a possible reality, within mainstream psychiatry. Is it then not even more unfair, when someone still has apparently to respect the status of a psychiatrist, otherwise to be ridiculed or possibly called a scientologist or oddity,
on the merits of a psychiatric doctor being intellectual and therefore correct on everything involving their subject, even though being incapable of realising that not everyone, not half as many as publicised reacts to these things in a tangibly benefitting way, and it sometimes costs the patients life.
The fact that this person may have been to medical school for over 10 years, and still doesn't seemingly have a clue about what they are doing, when making people extremely disturbed from the specific side effects of these meds sometimes, is why it is scarier still.
http://www.breggin.com/31-49.pdf
Grandma.
*sigh*Dreamland said:Person 3-- not to get off the subject, but I agree with you. Tom Cruise has always struck me as a Flaming Queen.
The best comment on the tom cruise stupidity i've read so far:
"We've become an all-purpose homogenized society and people are made to be fearful, conformist, and feel scared about everything (bad breath, social anxiety disorder, insomnia, not having a cubicle job, weapons of mass destruction that don't exist, baby down the well news at 6); it's all a distraction to keep us not seeing the truth; that the folks in power are terribly corrupt and that what the public thinks it is about (health, well-being, world democracy) is a big joke! it's really all about something else (selling pharmas, spending billions on war, oil profits, keeping people in their place).
If you don't behave the way the Man wants you to, then you ARE a very dangerous person and must be silenced, suppressed, marginalized or otherwise NOT accepted for who you are in the public limelight." Yes, I'm sure Tom is a flaming queen. let's distract the issue even more.
-ru
You're hanging around the wrong people! :lol:
Rula......you just love to take the bait don't ya??? It was all meant as a tongue-in-cheeck cheap shot. We love all people here; Flaming Queens, Chinamen, politicians, French, but by God allmighty...I sure as heck hate those people who feel the need to conduct six different transactions at an ATM, taking up my precious time!!!
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