(I am sorry but i cannot resist anymore)
God doesn't like it when you play God.
God doesn't like it when you play God.
Well...it forcing innumerable numbers of women to have babies, which they may not love or be able to financially cater for, and for which the fathers may be long gone, and to bring them up.But that's hardly "playing God," and you know it.
It's not murder, though, is it?TT: Aw, poor things... might get hurt while they commit murder, eh? Oh, the injustice of it....
Perhaps you'd get a better understanding of the "real world" if you didn't spend all that time posting fundamentalist messages on an internet message board.TT: Oh, yes, "the young girls," whose parents brought them up to be sluts and murderesses. Aw, the pain of those poor young things... Truly, they are just unfortunate ignorant pawns of their miserable parents, but that's still not justification for murder of an innocent human.
So prove me wrong, rather than simply hurling insults and sarcasm at me.TT: No, Einstein, it is not on the basis of som tenous text.
Nice to see that you're willing to pull out the "mental illness" card :roll: .TT: Defenders of murderers are despicable monsters. If they are too stupid to understand the facts, they are less responsible and thus one can pity their meagre minds that cannot reason and possibly excuse them from moral responsibility. You know, people who just haven't got the intellect to understand right vs. wrong. Or the severely mentally disturbed who have an illness that truly makes it impossible for them to see the difference between right and wrong. But people who are not in either of these classes who support murdering innocent humans are despicable monsters.
That I will!But they are not eternally lost until there are no more chances for them to repent. So you have some time before it will be too late -- or do you? If you die tonight, well, have a nice evening.
All civil law in every society has always condemned unjust killing of the innocent. If you call that preaching morality, then yes, I am guilty. Ad hominems are really beneath you, Janine.JanineBaker said:The thing that always fascinates me about people who enjoy preaching morality to others is that (in the name of Christian love) they seem to have a palpable and near-delicious sadism in their enthusiasm while "guiding" others to grace. Lots of sinister delight is clear as day. Well, to me at least.
Oh, please. That's standard fare. Why get hung up on the human foibles of poor old stupid and clumsy Sojourner? She's just an idiot that believes in God, right? So she's pretty forgiving and tries to help people in her own terribly annoying way. But she'd rather defend the principle. And she isn't the one who starts nastiness, you know.JanineBaker said:If everyone who relished pointing fingers and shouting "God's gonna get ya!" would spend that energy helping someone, perhaps volunteering at a children's hospital, maybe Christianty would have a better reputation world wide.
Thats probably something I wouldnt have typed, or I wouldn't have typed in that way, but its a good point nonetheless. I wont justify a crime just because someone might get hurt while doing it. Yes, it is dangerous. Its almost as dangerous nowadays. There is nothing gentle about a medical abortion, and frankly, its a quite underdeveloped branch of medicine. Doctors are idiots, yes. We all know that here. But they arent stupid. They've all delivered enough babies for them to know the difference between a human and a tumor, something I've heard people liken a fetus to. Abortionists are the most despised of all doctors in the medical profession. Doctors hate handing out referrals to them, and when they do, as I've seen it, they reprimand the women and remind them that this should not be their choice for contraception. Then they send them over to the women's hospital, to the one of 3 or four abortionists on staff whom the faculty see as a "necessary evil", and terminate the life and the pregnancy with 1970s equipment and alot of internal bleeding. Its not safe. It physically scars a woman's insides. She'll have miscarriages in the future becuase of it. And its usually black women from the poor sides of town who do use it as a means of contraception. No, I've never even heard of it being used for a rape case in our city of 4 million county residents. That argument is such a red herring....rapes are rarer than other forms of violent crimes. If one occurs, it must occur on one of two days a month that a woman can conceive. I know its another plea for sympathy for women who get abortions, but its just not the real state of medical abortions in the world. Abortions are done, on the whole, for poor women, minorities mostly, who are not exercising sexual restraint, and for whom more children would not be convenient, fun, or monetarily desirable.It's compelling countless other women to go back to the ages of "backstreet abortions", undergoing painful, dangerous procedures, and sometimes even dying.
TT: Aw, poor things... might get hurt while they commit murder, eh? Oh, the injustice of it....
I have to take some exception to these remarks. I guess I take exception to the word slut in general, even when its deserved, because its so derogatory to another human being. And I dont know just how sexually immoral one must be to be considered a slut. I do know that Mary Magdalene was considered one, but I think remarks like that would have hampered and not helped her conversion. Yes, they commit murder, but they truly may not know what they do. In that way, its much like a person charged with manslaughter, and culpability is diminshed. I dont think that most people who defend abortion see it as murder, or even if that occurs to them, they really dont want to beleive it is. And if one is raised without beliefs about what makes us human, or gives us our innate dignity, I guess it would be even easier to rationalize it. I think many people are saving face by being politically correct, and that , secretly, many people sympathize with the prospect of having a baby out of wedlock and solving their predicament borne of irresponsibility in this manner. Nobody likes to pay the piper. In the end alot of it is about selfishness, irresponsiblity, or lack of education. They are not necessarily monsters with meager minds, or if they are, everyone with sinful tendencies is. The key is educate and teach people that we dont need to live our lives like this - its miserable. There are ways to live our lives and build our society which are so much more truthful, and free, and rational, and productive. And they are built upon thought and values and actions that last. I seriously am considering going into politics, and everyday situations like this are a good way to refine one's beliefs and one's arguments. You cant get anywhere by polarizing the argument - you have to lead by example.It's wrecking the lives of many young girls who, without the chance to abort, have to sacrifice their current concerns and in many cases their futures to care for a child.
TT: Oh, yes, "the young girls," whose parents brought them up to be sluts and murderesses. Aw, the pain of those poor young things... Truly, they are just unfortunate ignorant pawns of their miserable parents, but that's still not justification for murder of an innocent human.
Above all, it's denying women the choice to decide what happens to their own bodies, on the mere basis of some tenuous text with no significant historically or scientifically established veracity.
TT: No, Einstein, it is not on the basis of som tenous text. The fact is that a fetus is a living human with all the organs you have and 100% more sense.
You might not be "playing God", but you're getting damn close.
TT: Defenders of murderers are despicable monsters. If they are too stupid to understand the facts, they are less responsible and thus one can pity their meagre minds that cannot reason and possibly excuse them from moral responsibility. You know, people who just haven't got the intellect to understand right vs. wrong. Or the severely mentally disturbed who have an illness that truly makes it impossible for them to see the difference between right and wrong. But people who are not in either of these classes who support murdering innocent humans are despicable monsters