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but here's the trick.

I just realized that when I talk about "Focus Outward" all the time, it sounds like I never think about ME. Oh, contraire, grin.

It's FINE to think about yourself (and if you're like me, you find you fascinating). Think about memories, think about things you did and said and liked or disliked, and maybe what you WISH you'd said, lol....

Think about what you want to do. Think about the far future, goals, etc. and picture yourself doing it. Think about the near future and anticipate cool things you might plan for yourself, people to see, movies to see, CD's to play, etc.

But....do not think about yourself IN THE MOMENT.

What aggravates the dp cycle is not thoughts of self, but WATCHING self in the moment by moment of living and thinking.

Don't watch your own hands with fascination as they type. Don't "tune in" to your own body and "ask" yourself if you are feeling good, bad, better, worse, etc. than you did before you started typing.

Don't THINK about what you're thinking right now. Don't listen to yourself breathe. Don't pause and "feel for" your own heartbeat. Don't "ask yourself" if you feel hot or cold or tired or excited.

Don't replay your thoughts from instant to instant to analyze if they seem "sane." Don't Edit your thoughts while you're thinking them. If you're able to realize "this is me thinking" you're not interested enough in the MATERIAL you're thinking about.

Don't picture yourself from a camera's viewpoint across the room. Don't try to imagine how you look at this exact instant to any imaginary observer.

Don't blink and then ask yourself if your eyes feel funny.
Don't blink again before you really NEED to as a way of "testing" whether your eyes are indeed feeling funny.

Do not amuse yourself (or torture yourself) with the current moment by moment functioning of your own brain and body.

That's what I mean by focus outward.

Peace,
Janine (who is now totally aware of her own fingers on the keyboard, lol)
 
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but here's the trick.

I just realized that when I talk about "Focus Outward" all the time, it sounds like I never think about ME. Oh, contraire, grin.

It's FINE to think about yourself (and if you're like me, you find you fascinating). Think about memories, think about things you did and said and liked or disliked, and maybe what you WISH you'd said, lol....

Think about what you want to do. Think about the far future, goals, etc. and picture yourself doing it. Think about the near future and anticipate cool things you might plan for yourself, people to see, movies to see, CD's to play, etc.

But....do not think about yourself IN THE MOMENT.

What aggravates the dp cycle is not thoughts of self, but WATCHING self in the moment by moment of living and thinking.

Don't watch your own hands with fascination as they type. Don't "tune in" to your own body and "ask" yourself if you are feeling good, bad, better, worse, etc. than you did before you started typing.

Don't THINK about what you're thinking right now. Don't listen to yourself breathe. Don't pause and "feel for" your own heartbeat. Don't "ask yourself" if you feel hot or cold or tired or excited.

Don't replay your thoughts from instant to instant to analyze if they seem "sane." Don't Edit your thoughts while you're thinking them. If you're able to realize "this is me thinking" you're not interested enough in the MATERIAL you're thinking about.

Don't picture yourself from a camera's viewpoint across the room. Don't try to imagine how you look at this exact instant to any imaginary observer.

Don't blink and then ask yourself if your eyes feel funny.
Don't blink again before you really NEED to as a way of "testing" whether your eyes are indeed feeling funny.

Do not amuse yourself (or torture yourself) with the current moment by moment functioning of your own brain and body.

That's what I mean by focus outward.

Peace,
Janine (who is now totally aware of her own fingers on the keyboard, lol)
 

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this 'thinking about me' sounds really selfish to an outside observer,but its because we feel so weird and trapped that it is just 'there' all of the time.....
when will this son of a bitch thing ever end,im losing faith
 

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this 'thinking about me' sounds really selfish to an outside observer,but its because we feel so weird and trapped that it is just 'there' all of the time.....
when will this son of a bitch thing ever end,im losing faith
 

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JC,

You're ill. Your body is a mess. Your chemicals aren't working correctly. What I've noticed in my journey to health is that, though self-obsession is deemed a "selfish" act, it generally isn't one put forth by yourSelf, Soul, Mind, whatever, alone. When one's self-obsession is so deep and entrenched as those of us with DP, or huge depressive tendencies, I don't think it's a Selfish act at all... It's just an abnormal act caused by ill health. I think we all have psychological issues that revolve around inadequacy and therefore our defences going into place (placing such a large emphasis on yourself), but we aren't self-obsessed in the extreme sense that I think some pathalogies consist of.

Anyway, my point is, don't beat yourself up for being "selfish". It's hogwash.
 

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JC,

You're ill. Your body is a mess. Your chemicals aren't working correctly. What I've noticed in my journey to health is that, though self-obsession is deemed a "selfish" act, it generally isn't one put forth by yourSelf, Soul, Mind, whatever, alone. When one's self-obsession is so deep and entrenched as those of us with DP, or huge depressive tendencies, I don't think it's a Selfish act at all... It's just an abnormal act caused by ill health. I think we all have psychological issues that revolve around inadequacy and therefore our defences going into place (placing such a large emphasis on yourself), but we aren't self-obsessed in the extreme sense that I think some pathalogies consist of.

Anyway, my point is, don't beat yourself up for being "selfish". It's hogwash.
 

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"It's FINE to think about yourself (and if you're like me, you find you fascinating)"

lol, you're awesome Janine. :wink:
 

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"It's FINE to think about yourself (and if you're like me, you find you fascinating)"

lol, you're awesome Janine. :wink:
 

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but why do i think about 'me' all of the time(mentally not physically),i really am trapped in my thoughts 24/7 and it just puts a barrier between me and the outside world.....ive been banging on about this for four years and it still disturbs me...im unhappy,im misserable,im tired,i cant think straight,i cant think outside of this bubble,im unable to drift off into a daydream as my fear of my thoughts leaving me scares the crap out of me,so im just stuck in this tormenting soul destroying punishment......im not really any worse than i was im just tired of this shit,all i want is mental freedom again,freedom to just do stuff without thinking about it and worrying,freedom to be spontanious,freedom from my nagging stupid thoughts,freedom to get on a plane and sit on the beach without a care in the world,freedom to work again without fear of running home in a panic....im just angry & pissed off,why should i also spend all day momentarilly watching my breathing ? what the fuck is happening to me,whats happening to this mind of mine,even paronoia is setting in now,i even think that everyone on this board thinks im nuts and have lost the plot !!!
 

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but why do i think about 'me' all of the time(mentally not physically),i really am trapped in my thoughts 24/7 and it just puts a barrier between me and the outside world.....ive been banging on about this for four years and it still disturbs me...im unhappy,im misserable,im tired,i cant think straight,i cant think outside of this bubble,im unable to drift off into a daydream as my fear of my thoughts leaving me scares the crap out of me,so im just stuck in this tormenting soul destroying punishment......im not really any worse than i was im just tired of this shit,all i want is mental freedom again,freedom to just do stuff without thinking about it and worrying,freedom to be spontanious,freedom from my nagging stupid thoughts,freedom to get on a plane and sit on the beach without a care in the world,freedom to work again without fear of running home in a panic....im just angry & pissed off,why should i also spend all day momentarilly watching my breathing ? what the fuck is happening to me,whats happening to this mind of mine,even paronoia is setting in now,i even think that everyone on this board thinks im nuts and have lost the plot !!!
 

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jc, you've haven't lost the plot dude! And don't let this thing convince you otherwise.
Cold in Berkshire this morning huh?
 

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jc, you've haven't lost the plot dude! And don't let this thing convince you otherwise.
Cold in Berkshire this morning huh?
 

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cheers g-funk....ive noticed a strange shift recently which is why i seem to be ranting late at night...before, the mornings were the worst time for me now its switched to the evenings...but ive noticed that not many others have agreed with you in telling me i havnt lost the plot so i guess i will take that as a yes...
yeh its pretty chilly here this morning but i welcome it with open arms,the summer can last way too long for me because no matter what i do im always baking hot
 

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cheers g-funk....ive noticed a strange shift recently which is why i seem to be ranting late at night...before, the mornings were the worst time for me now its switched to the evenings...but ive noticed that not many others have agreed with you in telling me i havnt lost the plot so i guess i will take that as a yes...
yeh its pretty chilly here this morning but i welcome it with open arms,the summer can last way too long for me because no matter what i do im always baking hot
 

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I'm sure that everybody agrees that you have not lost the plot. I'm also sure that everybody would agree that at some point they've also declared the exact same thing. I know I have. How long have you had dp if you don't mind me asking?
 

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I'm sure that everybody agrees that you have not lost the plot. I'm also sure that everybody would agree that at some point they've also declared the exact same thing. I know I have. How long have you had dp if you don't mind me asking?
 
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