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whenever anyone is quoting form the bible,i wonder do they realize or question its true origins.the bible was not discovered in its current format in one thick book.the bible is a collection of scrolls and parchments written by gnostics living before and at the time of jesus.what most people dont account for is the fact that many scrolls were purposfully ommitted or destroyed by the roman spindoctors and many lie in the vaults of the vatican unread by the masses.why?also,what of the writings that have been lost,yet to be discovered or simply those writings that got blown away in the desert or decomposed in the ground.it seem to me a foolish thing indeed to believe what people want us to believe when evidence and facts can be so easily manipulated.
 

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Absolutely. But just one small thing:

at the time of jesus
None of the bible was written by anyone who lived at the same time as Jesus. I think the earliest was St Pauls ramblings, and that was sixty after Jesus's supposed death. It's like me doing a biography of someone who may or may not have lived sixty years ago, and all I know about him is whispered myths and legends.
 

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Martin, I dont think that is an entirely tenable position to have. We dont know that they were written by eyewitnesses, and we dont know that they werent. Most of the hullabaloo is based on the Synoptic problem - the fact that Mathew, Mark, and Luke look as if they have been copied off one another. But it seems to be lost to most people that the fourth Gospel is not only told as an eyewitness account - in a way that the other three do not - but that its author is the only one of the Apostle's to not have been martyred. I beleive he was exiled to the Isle of Patmos until 80 something AD, at which point he died. If you read it, you will even note more than a touch of egotism from St. John, as he refers to the Apostle John not as "john" but as "the disciple Jesus loved". It was also probably from malnutrition and the isolation of being marooned that he wrote his trippy bestseller called "Revelations". Most people dont realize he was the author of that, and Martin, that sentence is the closest you'll ever find me coming to blasphemy, so enjoy it while you can.

Lastly, the Synoptic problem has numerous explanations, none of which seem to invalidate their authenticity. Luke, according to tradition, was not an eyewitness to begin with, so it lays to rest whether this is a new development. He was, according to tradition, a man of letters and a physican who traveled around Israel, Palestine, and Turkey, speaking to eyewitnesses like Mary and the remaining apostles, and I have no doubt, copying other sources. This leaves the unexplained similarities between Mark and Mathew. Into this gap can be fitted the two document hypothesis, which I wont go into, because like most theories, it relies on incomplete facts. It is very possible that these two Gospels were only named after the apostles who formed the original source materials. It is also very possible that Mathew seems to have a very accurate Greek translation of Hebrew, because the Apostle Mathew did indeed write it in his own language and either translated it himself or was translated by a Greek follower. Perhaps they are derived from an account given by Peter to Mathew and a compilation of Christ's sayings (the two source document theory). We'll never know for sure, and since almost all of the theories leave room for reliable source material for the Gospels, it isnt necessarily a problem.

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Its all probably mystery school sun worship anyway (velied in symbolgy) made up by the ancient secret mystery schools

jesus -Sun of god

jesus is just our version of horus the egypitan sun god

satan is just an update of Set the adversaery of horus
 
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Interesting topic which I've been thinking about lately. I can't fathom why people have chosen the Bible as the authority on human behaviour. It was written by people, not God, it's been so edited and altered over its lifetime, BY HUMANS, and it's cryptic and contradictory, yet it's raised to the loftiest position a book could ever be. There are thousands of other meaningful documents on the same subject - Jesus or God trying to advise humans - many of them in the vatican, unread and untranslated, but they're ignored. Edmond Szekely translated some of them from Aramaic about 90 years ago and published them and established a foundation for this cause. The primary edition of his translations, entitled, "The Essene Gospel of Peace", which quotes Jesus as givng very simple advice to sick people, is still sold for the cost of ONE DOLLAR, so that anyone can afford it. He was a much wiser man from his study of original (don't remember how close in time to life of Jesus ) scrolls than most of our present-day Christians. And he strove to live according to the principles described in those scrolls. It's one of my favourite books, but it's hardly acknowledged.Talk about willful ignorance and clinging to the "acceptable". Go figure.
 
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Another book that I stumbled upon a little while back was "Jesus-the lost years." It talks about Jesus's life age 13-30, and that there are documents that show he travelled all the way to China. According to this book--Jesus stayed in many monastaries, mastered many eastern spiritual practices, and was very fond of the eastern people. You have to read the book to read the evidence. An interesting find; it sort of displaces the theory that all buddhists and hindus are going to hell.
 

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What seems to be forgotten in this discussion is (1) the Hebrew scriptures are up to 5,700 years old, and (2) the New Testament books are those that were actually USED in the liturgies of the Early Church. The Church as a community of faith decided what books were authentic, and personally, I think they had the right to make that decision.
 

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IT all comes from the mystery school snake cults
IT all comes from the mystery school snake cults
IT all comes from the mystery school snake cults

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Jesus - the christian version of horus (sun god saviour)

Set - also known as Set - an - Satan (your typical evil guy)
 
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Hello widescreened
I'm a christian and I hear what your saying but I believe in the bible because I believe in Jesus as my personal savior, And thats why I believe the bible is acurate, I have the holly spirit and I can feel him when I pray it say's in the bible His spirit bearith wittness with my spirit ( the children of God) I can't remember where I read it but I will look it up for ya if ya want? Well I know he's real because I feel his presants and It says in the bible to have faith, so I believe in the bible to be accurate Now I do believe if I was God I would get the bible RIGHT! because that's so important, He knew what he was doing and he new the end results, God is all knowing so he would not make a mistake! He just wouldn't go wrong,
Well I don't know how to use this spell check on this site so excuse my terrible spelling! Thanks for listening,
Rebecca
 

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Hahaha, non-believers, LOL so concerned with proving us wrong. Get with it or get over it, you choose.

Heres my issue, we wouldnt of known about Jesus if it wasnt for the bible. We wouldnt of known of his teachings, and about his father (God) without the bible.

So if you dont believe what the bible says, you might as well throw away the whole Jesus thing right? Forget God and forget Jesus because if you dont believe what the bible teaches then certainly you dont believe in Jesus, because the bible explains who Jesus was and what he did.

That's like reading a math book and only learning one mathematical formula, and throwing the rest away because you dont agree with it. Then you find out that, that one math formula you did learn doesnt make sense with out learning the rest of the math formulas.

You cant put God in a box and make him what you want him to be, he is not a product.
 

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"People have asked me recently what I thought about women priests. I just say 'Hell, that's just priests of 2 different sexes I won't listen to. Look, I appreciate your quaint traditions and superstitions, but I happen to be an enlightened beings who deals directly with the source of life, so I don't really have a need for the middle-men' " - Paraphrased from Bill Hicks.

That said, the bible reflects the over-arching metaphors that humanity has been struggling with for the last 2000 years (Sin, needing a saviour, having to exist within certain guildines and adhere to certain behaviours to be worthy of love). As we reach a time where these metaphors no longer serve us people are starting to remember the true nature of "spirit" or whatever you want to call it.

Jesus was a person. If Jesus could obtain god's infinite love then so can you - and there's no criteria you have to fill to deserve it. The truth is that "god" (or whatever name you chose to give it...) loves every one of us. There's absolutely nothing you can do to change that.

This is essentially what the Gnostics were on about.

The idea of Satan or whatever name you choose to give is traditionally the guardian/master of a supposed dark underworld. We have been taught to fear this underworld as evil and taboo. However, it is only by confronting this underworld and discovering its truths (See - Emerald Tablets of Thoth) that we learn of our true nature.

This is why the bible was put out in its current form. If you want to control people you can't have them running around knowing they are free and can never be controlled by an authority. You can't have them re-establishing a link to their own personal spirituality. So as time passes the controlling hold of this dogma starts to lose its power...
 

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CECIL said:
"People have asked me recently what I thought about women priests. I just say 'Hell, that's just priests of 2 different sexes I won't listen to. Look, I appreciate your quaint traditions and superstitions, but I happen to be an enlightened beings who deals directly with the source of life, so I don't really have a need for the middle-men' " - Paraphrased from Bill Hicks.

That said, the bible reflects the over-arching metaphors that humanity has been struggling with for the last 2000 years (Sin, needing a saviour, having to exist within certain guildines and adhere to certain behaviours to be worthy of love). As we reach a time where these metaphors no longer serve us people are starting to remember the true nature of "spirit" or whatever you want to call it.

Jesus was a person. If Jesus could obtain god's infinite love then so can you - and there's no criteria you have to fill to deserve it. The truth is that "god" (or whatever name you chose to give it...) loves every one of us. There's absolutely nothing you can do to change that.

This is essentially what the Gnostics were on about.

The idea of Satan or whatever name you choose to give is traditionally the guardian/master of a supposed dark underworld. We have been taught to fear this underworld as evil and taboo. However, it is only by confronting this underworld and discovering its truths (See - Emerald Tablets of Thoth) that we learn of our true nature.

This is why the bible was put out in its current form. If you want to control people you can't have them running around knowing they are free and can never be controlled by an authority. You can't have them re-establishing a link to their own personal spirituality. So as time passes the controlling hold of this dogma starts to lose its power...
Here is an example of someone trying to explain the bible that knows nothing about it.
 

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"So if you dont believe what the bible says, you might as well throw away the whole Jesus thing right? Forget God and forget Jesus because if you dont believe what the bible teaches then certainly you dont believe in Jesus, because the bible explains who Jesus was and what he did. "

Other than the Bible is a TALE of a name called Yeshua. In the ancient times, literature was symbolical..not factual. So if Jesus walked on water, it meant he didn't really walk on the waters, it meants he was an amzing guy. Besides, why should I believe in the Bible, I believe in what I believe. No book or organization needs to tell me in what to believe.
 

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You are a complicated fool! And I got a secret for ya, your the type of person that God is looking for. I'm a complicated fool myself. God is still using me. You wonder why in the bible that God doesnt pick the most educated people to do great things with. He rarley used rich people with power.

Remember, this isnt our garden we live in, this is God's garden, we just work here.
 

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From the bible, God didn't pick rich and educated people to do his work because the rich and educated people were romans, who at the time did not believe in the christian god and/or Jesus and had a nasty habit of murdering anyone who did. The people god chose were the poor and un-educated, the people in need of a little faith since they were being oppressed so horribly. That in no way means that educated people have no idea what they are talking about, so please don't use logical fallacies to discredit the arguments of educated people.

Sadly the original message of the bible has now been turned around (read: not only rewritten countless times but CHANGED from what it originally said) and instead of being a liberating force like originally intended, is used to control us.
 

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You are right to name yourself as you have complicated fool. Until you can create yourself or the universe which is and was a miracle. ( His first one or ones) then you are being foolish. I am not meaning to be cruel because I too have been and probably will be foolish because I am human in the unrestored area of me that He is overcoming in me. You are complicated because you were created by God but you are being foolish because you are not believing in your own Father or Creator. You are putting your hands over your eyes to block out his light and love. Why????????? But, only a fool says in his heart, there is no God. :shock:
 
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