[Guest]

Hello everyone. I am a new member here and would like to shed some light on all of you. DP/DR both 'work' hand in hand with anxiety. IF you get rid of most of your anxiety, DP/DR will go away as well.

IF YOU DON'T THINK OF YOUR ANXIETY IT WILL GO AWAY YOU ARE WRONG!

THIS IS THE CURE FOR ANXIETY...THE REAL CURE PEOPLE!

http://healmind.com/saitotherapy/howcureanxsaito.htm

I took extacy by mistake 3 months ago and I was suffering from DR ever since. I was getting anxiety attacks because I had DR. I never had an anxiety problem I knew of before that, but I suffered from panic attacks. I was obsessed with finding out what I had. I thought I had OCD for a while because of the extent of research I was doing. And at the end, all I did was fuel the anxiety that I never had.

So back to my point. If you forget about your anxiety just for 2 days, eat at nights and take 100 mg of 5-HTP every night, I am telling you IT WILL GO AWAY. Don't waist your lives! It is way to short to suffer from a simple 'trick on the mind'.

I'll be glad to answer any questions I can from my experience. So don't be shy tp PM me.

S.

 

[kenc127]

It's just not that simple. But thank you for your input and well meaning.

Ken

 

[JasonFar]

Ken is right, of course, it's not that simple by any means.

I do take 5-HTP though, and it has worked very well with me, in combination with St. John's Wort.

Unfortunately we are too complex of personalities for it to be that simple, I thinks.

 

[university girl]

I have DR when I have no anxiety. What kind of name is acidmale69?! How could I take a post so seriously with a name like that?

 

[danny]

Quote off the website for part of the cure

'Do not ask for help when you are suffering from anxiety attacks'

So suffering alone is better than asking for help!!! :shock:
im sorry, but i disagree with you. I also, like university girl, often have dp without any underlying anxiety.

 

[g-funk]

Japanese version of Mr Linden by the looks of it. Its good advice to ignore symptoms, but it'll come back to bite you on the bum if you don't sort out the cause

 

[dakotajo]

I think its much better way of looking at it, rather than believing in some sort of scary mysterious disorder. Dp/dr is a normal, healthy product of anxiety and the sooner a person realizes it the sooner a person can focus on the real problem..anxiety. I know people say they hae dp/dr without anxiety but in my opinion thats a little bit of an illusion. A person can become "adjusted" to a chronic anxiety state, and after a while not even realize you are in one.

Joe

 

[Guest]

Its helpful to just view this problem as anxiety, although that isn't entirely the case for many of us here. If 'acidmale69' managed to erase his dpdr in 3 months then it must have been so mild that it WAS just anxiety.

acidmale69 = guy trying to get more hits to the website he linked

 

[lone wolf]

I know people say they hae dp/dr without anxiety but in my opinion thats a little bit of an illusion. A person can become "adjusted" to a chronic anxiety state, and after a while not even realize you are in one.

I'm aware of this possibility and have tried to see if I still suffer from anxiety, but I have come to think that it really may be possible to have DP/DR without any underlying anxiety. (?) It is because when I e.g. drink too much coffee and am stressed for some reason, the caffeine overdose easily gives me a chance to feel what real anxiety feels - and it is an altogether different feeling than my usual peaceful DR'd state of mind. Thus I hardly think I suffer from anxiety, cuz how can I feel anxiety while being happy for example? However, I realize the only case this anxiety hypothesis might be true, is the possibility that I have anxiety - or more correctly, utter fear - BUT it is dissociated inside me, and thus I never even feel it but only the outcome of it, which is chronic DR 24/7.

Any ideas - does this sound reasonable? I'm curious. :shock:

 

[[rula]]

Any ideas - does this sound reasonable? I'm curious. :shock:

the way i see it anxiety is caused by GABA that can't quiet down all the excitatory neurotransmitters in your brain. Serotonin mitigates the actions of GABA, so if you're low, you'll have constant anxiety no matter what, even when you're momentarily feeling happy. drinking coffee is not really anxiety it's a cortisol/adrenaline rush that last for a few minutes.

5-HTP works for me. This "cure" is so the Linden Method, but at least whoever posted it is not trying to charge $180 bucks for it :roll: . -rula

 

[lone wolf]

the way i see it anxiety is caused by GABA that can't quiet down all the excitatory neurotransmitters in your brain. Serotonin mitigates the actions of GABA, so if you're low, you'll have constant anxiety no matter what, even when you're momentarily feeling happy. drinking coffee is not really anxiety it's a cortisol/adrenaline rush that last for a few minutes.

Thanks for your reply, rula. I wish I was more knowledgeable regarding brain chemistry - I have always had more interest toward the psychological side of things.

I don't know about that coffee high though - sometimes it feels like anxiety for me, and in those cases the anxious feelings last more than minutes, usually a couple of hours till the effect of caffeine subsides. This doesn't happen every time though, but only in the situations while I seem to be stressed bc of some reason. Commonly I get only pleasant caffeine high from coffee, while I feel energized and happy - it is the reason why I won't stop drinking coffee.

I don't believe I have anything wrong with my serotonin levels, as my depression (which lasted for about ten years' time) vanished completely since I started taking Remeron 30 mg. Thus nowadays I feel like a normal, happy person with usual ups and downs, without any feelings of depression/anxiety - the only thing that I still live with is chronic DP/DR.

Indeed - I do not know what anxiety feels like, if it isn't anxiety what I feel during "bad caffeine trip". Any ideas? :?:

 

[[rula]]

Commonly I get only pleasant caffeine high from coffee, while I feel energized and happy - it is the reason why I won't stop drinking coffee.

been there Ninnu...just right now i was listening to my radiator hiss and thinking damn! only if that was the sound of my cappuccino machine . that energy you get from the coffee is actually your body's defense mechanism kicking in to fight the "stress" you're adding to it. it does last for hours sometimes, you're absolutely right. problem is all that coritsol your body uses up to fight coffee/sugar or whatever evenually becomes depleted. when adrenaline wins the fight, your brain's neurotransmitters become unbalanced.

I too at the beginning didn't beleive i had anxiety, just dp. i was so convinced that i wasn't depressed either. but then i had a lab test out my neurotrasmitters, and i had all the typical results of a person with high anxiety/low sero.

Indeed - I do not know what anxiety feels like, if it isn't anxiety what I feel during "bad caffeine trip". Any ideas? :?:

it is technically anxiety, but that's the "normal" every day type.
chronic DP anxiety (for me) is when bright lights/loud noises/TV/crowds bug me out for no really good reason (other than whacked out neurotrasmitters). but i'm so used to it now that i don't get palpitations, numbness, chest pain or none of that other stuff any more.

does that make any sense??? -ru

 

[Guest]

Are you selling bibles too?

 

[dakotajo]

Hi Rula,

Can you explain to me more on your thoughts about the serotonin-gaba connection? From what I gather you are saying that serotonin directly influences gaba? I realize its all theories but what Ive read says the opposite. Ive read that gaba is the major inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain and controls the output(so to speak) of neurotransmitters such as serotonin and adrenaline. Benzos and alcohol potentiate the effects of gaba and damp down the flow of vital neurotransmitters. Its the reason why people using them chronically are usually depressed and the reason why these drugs are considered depressants. Its also the reason why long term use of either drug eventually aggravates anxiety/depressive problems.
People who have become addicted to benzos or alcohol through the process of tolerance, have a gaba to receptor attraction problem and so excitatory neurotransmitters go unchecked in withdrawal. Its the reason why people who withdraw can have severe seizures due to the massive rebound electrical activity.

 

[lone wolf]

I too at the beginning didn't beleive i had anxiety, just dp. i was so convinced that i wasn't depressed either. but then i had a lab test out my neurotrasmitters, and i had all the typical results of a person with high anxiety/low sero.

Hi rula - though I haven't been done the test you say, I could say that bc of my past experience of depression I'm pretty sure I don't have it anymore. I suffered from severe depression for about 10 years, and it was a constant hell for me - I couldn't find work, nor try to get into university/other school. Nowadays I can study full-time and also enjoy my hobbies, though often I'm just too lazy after the lectures/school stuff that instead of playing to violin/drawing new pics I just read a novel/watch TV/hang in here in this message board. But all in all - I think I know what depression is and I feel not having a trace of it anymore. And it is bc of the miracle drug mirtazapine, I'm so glad I was prescribed Remeron a couple of years ago.

However, I'm aware that I still have some issues going on and one of them is my inner, quiet distrust toward my future/friends. I have a background of teasing in my childhood, and I think that's why I have difficulties to trust that the friends of mine really like my company. And about the future thingy: as I have never had a full-time job before, I'm afraid never getting one after I've finished my studies in the near future. I think the latter fear is just normal, but my inner distrust toward friendship isn't like that IMO. Actually I'm pretty sure that if I could really trust my friendships - like I trust my boyfriend and family members - I might get rid of DR with time.

I guess this problem of mine will need just some active thought work - and I believe time has a healing capasity, possibly even more than any therapy can offer. So I'm not desperate...

 

[[rula]]

Hi Rula,

Can you explain to me more on your thoughts about the serotonin-gaba connection? From what I gather you are saying that serotonin directly influences gaba?

you're are mostly correct, except in one step. Serotonin does directly mitigate GABA actions, not the other way around. GABA works on excitatory NTs only, epinephrine (adrenaline) and norepinephrine. that's the reason why SSRI's are prescribed to boost serotonin levels first before they get the patient off tranquilizers. they normally assume 4-5 week for SSRI's to kick in, which is a safe time frame for benzo use, then you don't need them any more to potentiate GABA action, serotonin can now do that.

what i don't get is why use dangerous a/d's instead of 5-HTP or St. John's. less money for the pharmaceutical companies??

People who have become addicted to benzos or alcohol through the process of tolerance, have a gaba to receptor attraction problem and so excitatory neurotransmitters go unchecked in withdrawal. Its the reason why people who withdraw can have severe seizures due to the massive rebound electrical activity.

absolutely. and it's for the same reason that i can't right now watch TV even though i'm not in Benzo withdrawal, i just have super high adrenaline levels. my exicitatory NT's behind my retina are in over drive. epileptics also have GABA defficiencies, so flashing lights can cause them seisures by the same mechanism.

btw, i love all your anti-benzo posts, were you ever on the benzo forum?

-rula

 

[Guest]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have DP/DR without anxiety people! It is all in your minds!!!

 

[sleepingbeauty]

can someone say.. kakamaymee? :roll:

 

[dakotajo]

Hi Rula,

Im curious what you mean about the excitatory nt's behing your retinas? Do you see flashing lights, sparks, and other weird debris? I have experienced all of these things after benzo withdrawal but never before the drugs. They were chronic for over 2 years. It was if it took years for my gaba to right itself. What do you feel is causing your excitatory nt's to be so high.

Also, this may be a stupid quiestion, but Id like somebody to explain the relationship between adrenaline that we have in our body and what is in the brain. Our bbb does allow these nts to "mix", correct. I want to understand why when I would excersise or even eat a large meal, I experienced an adrenaline release that made me feel so bad mentally? I would get severe heart palpitations then I would feel terribly mentally?

Joe

 

[university girl]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have DP/DR without anxiety people! It is all in your minds!!!

Me doubts this as I know first hand my DR exists with NO ANXIETY. Thank you.