[sleepingbeauty]

i wasnt sure what forum this would fit best in.. maybe spiritual but i guess this is an ok place.

i picked up gav from the airport last night and later we had dinner then decided to take a walk downtown. it was around 10 pm... and since it was easter sunday the place was a ghosttown... well.. as far as regular humans go. for some reason there were a surprising number of wierdos and crackheads and creeps walking around. gav and i didnt say much to each other while on the walk.. just holding hands while gav smoked a ciggy. we passed alot of wierdos that harassed us a bit but we didnt say anything just kept walking, when up ahead of us came this guy. certianly not your average joe. young guy about maybe 20 years old... all dirty with his clothes all torn and he was talking to himself out loud. definately schitzo but the scary part was that he was walking exactly like something out of THE RING or NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD.

i was like HOLY SH!T. :shock: but we both put our heads down and kept walking. but then he wouldnt let us pass. he was laughing and talking to himself and staring at us. we had to snake around the guy and as we did his talking got louder and scarier but we kept going faster this time... and when we got about 30 feet from the guy he shouted "GAVIN!!"

we both froze in our feet and turned around and he was staring at us and smiling this insane smile and he yelled again "GAVIN!!!!!"

then he started coming after us!! we took off and eventually lost him but needless to say we were both really shaken. there is NO WAY that he could have known gavs name. we tried to figure out any way that he could have known it.. gav checked for his wallet.. it was there. he wasnt at the resturant or around us at any other time.. and i hadnt spoken gavs name at all that night not even at the airport cause we call each other by pet names of course not by our real names. there is NO WAY he could have known gavs name at all.

personally... i believe in demons. i believe there is alot of sh!t that cant be explained. i believe that (and im sure most will dissagree especially in here) schitsofrenics talk to ghosts and demons and other phenoms that we cant see. if anyone knows anything about necro and the paranormal.. then they can understand what im getting at. gav doenst believe in it and hes very logical.. but he was more shaken than i was. he tried to make every heads or tails out of the situation but always came up short. there was nothing that could explain it. :shock:

 

[Guest]

Maybe he overheard you call gavin by his name, anyways that is some fucked up shit.

 

[enigma]

Maybe he's a member and recognized Gavin from his avatar.

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[Guest]

hahahaha

 

[Monkeydust]

Nah.....

My first immediate thought is that perhaps this man recognized your partner from several years ago, he might have known him once; I'm sure if it was dark and the man was a mess Gavin may not have recognized him back.

To posit that because of scenarios such as this "demons" or "spirits" must somehow speak to the mentally ill is to have one thought too many.

EDIT: Also check out the principle of Occam's razor. By that, it's much more plausible that the guy had seen or heard your partner elsewhere than that he can communicate with demons or spirits.

 

[sleepingbeauty]

i highly doubt the guy was from england or knew gav from somewhere else. that is even more unlikely than a bird pooping the name gavin on his forhead. :roll: mind you i live in hawaii. an entire planet away from england. and it is very unlikely that this dude was in brighton recently and gav didnt know this guy at all. trust me we worked out every other option. im sticking to my story the way it is. there is NO WAY he could know it.

 

[Homeskooled]

If Moses lived nowadays, no doubt he would be put away for saying a bush spoke to him. I beleive in schizophrenia as a physical brain disease. But I also beleive in the supernatural. I put in an earlier post that talking in dead languages and having access to hidden knowledge that they could not possibly know are signs in the Catholic Church of demonic possession. If these can be ruled in, and other diagnosises can be ruled out, I'd get a priest for that man before I'd give him Risperdal. Or maybe both at the same time. But the exorcist for pittsburgh beleives very strongly that while many of the mentally ill need a doctor, some need spirtuall intervention. This is why he always works closely with psychiatrists to differentiate the two. If a psychiatrist is weirded out then you KNOW someone's got problems. Pretty weird Sleeping.

Reminds me of a story the exorcist told....a woman came to him and said that she thought her mother was possessed. At odd times she would howl and scream and utter profanities. She was worried about her mom, and sprinkled her with holy water one day. Her mom started screaming "It burns! It burns!" Needless to say, it freaked the daughter out beyond belief. I thought that the exorcist's reply was pretty smart. He told her to take the holy water bottle ( they usually have a cross on them and a very distinctive look so that anybody who glances at the bottle knows it has holy water) and empty out all of the holy water, replacing it with tap water. Then go over to her mother's house and sprinkle her with it. The woman did just what he said, went over her mother's house, and sprinkled her with tap water from the distinctive looking holy water bottle. The mother again screamed "It burns! It burns!". Her mother wasnt possessed - she just wanted more attention from her daughter. Exorcist priests have an interesting job. Its really interesting to note that once a year, all of the Catholic priests who are exorcists have a conference in a
European city. This year its Warsaw. I cant imagine how cool, surreal, and creepy that conference is. Anyways, maybe you should try sprinkling the dude with holy water, Sleeping. Or tap water from a holy water bottle!

Peace
Homeskooled

 

[Martinelv]

Weird shit happens all the time, well, to me anyway. Not quite that spooky, but weird nontheless.

I wouldn't dare to offer an explanation....although it's plausable that this madman did overhear you calling Gavin by name. It's not something you'd remember is it. What you should remember, however, is that when we can't find 'reasonable' explanations we automatically jump to supernatural conclusions, when there (almost certainly) is an explanation.

Martinelv Corp (tm) - always ready to put the brakes on romantic notions of the supernatural. :twisted:

 

[Guest]

Actually the dude who was acting all psychic and psycho was me. I decided to come spy on you guys and make sure you two were cooperating. I will also be attending your wedding. I'll try not to walk like a zombie and have conversations with the little piggies in the sky while you two are walking down the aisle.

That is some mega cool shiznit yo. I, like you, believe in the paranormal and demon possession. Then again, if you can take LSD and throw your brain chemistry out of wack to the point where you see flying elephants then maybe it's nothing but a fucked up brain that causes all of those things. I do believe in psychic powers though and this guy definetly sounds like he had a sixth sense. There is no other way to explain it unless you happened to call out Gavin's name and he overheard you?

 

[Martinelv]

There is no other way to explain it

Why ?

Do you think thunder is the anger of the gods? :wink:

 

[Guest]

If the guy isn't from england, hadn't come in contact with Sb and Gavin earlier in the evening or hadn't overheard SB saying Gav's name then how else do you explain it? Pure luck? The name Gavin is rare to nonexistent in Hawaii(my guess anyways.) The chances of guessing it are one in a million. I would be hard pressed to find any other explanation. I personally do believe that psychic senses do exist in some. I am somewhere in the middle with demon possession and the paranormal.

 

[Martinelv]

I don't pretend to know how to explain it. We can make educated guesses, but that's all.

Ah, ignore me. I bore myself. Yes, it was the fairies.

 

[Guest]

Educated guesses! Yes, true!

God exists Martin and he loves you very much! Get on your knees and beg for forgiveness!

 

[Axel19]

What's weird is that last night I had a dream about zombies in which I had to use garden tools to kill them (again). It was fun.
The only logical explanation is he died, gained omniscience in heaven including learning Gavin's name, only to be reincarnated by ancient Hawaiin voodoo rituals. Actually isn't voodoo Haitian, well I'm sure Hawaiians have their own brand. My dream fortells darkness, that these zombies mean us harm and we must take up arms aginst them.

By the way, what state of decay was he in?

 

[Guest]

It was Pure Narcotic, but he was being controlled from afar by me via the microchips I implanted in his brain.

 

[Sunshine Spirit]

Sleeping Beauty, I believe you!

I believe you should always listen to your gut feeling and that we can sense things, if something's not quite right.

I've never dabbled in anything spooky. On the contrary - my father was a lay preacher for seventeen years. But after Lance's brother was murdered, many spooky things started happening to me.

I went to a meeting at a local Spiritual Church, trying to make sense of it all. That evening, they had a clairvoyant there. She was really lovely, middle-aged lady and said nothing negative - she simply wanted to prove to the world that our loved ones are always around us. She spoke to at least half a dozen people in the audience. She didn't speak to me, but while she was talking, she mentioned her dog, and a name - Sheeba - popped into my mind. It was strong and as clear as anything!

Afterwards, as some of us had tea and biscuits, I asked her what her dog's name was and she said, "Sheeba."!

She answered my questions about Lance's brother, and told me that I was what they would call 'sensitive'. On our way home, Lance wondered why the clairvoyant hadn't seem surprised or impressed. I said that I imagined something so trivial as what I had to say, would mean nothing to a genuine clairvoyant.

It happened to me again, just last week. I was sat on a bench in the fields near my home, when a man cycled past. Then an Alsation came trotting along, and stopped to sniff a tree. I suddenly had an overwhelming urge to call him over to me, so that I could stroke him. The name, Sam, was clear in my head. But just as I was about to shout his name, a woman came cycling along, and as she passed me, she called, "Sam!" and he trotted on after the couple.

I know sceptics would say that Sam is a very common name for a dog, but Sheeba's not. If anything, I would say that Sheeba is a name for a cat. After all, there's even a cat food called 'Sheeba'.

Anyway, Sleeping Beauty, I reckon that either;-

1. Gav's name popped into that young guy's head in the same way as it did for me. He was also suffering from a mental illness.

2. He wasn't talking and laughing to himself: he was chatting to his evil boogeymen friends!!!

SPOOKY......... :shock:

 

[Martinelv]

God exists Martin and he loves you very much! Get on your knees and beg for forgiveness!

I get on my knees for nobody. Well, except perhaps for you, darling.

 

[sebastian]

I think it's funny how so many people are willing to disregard the notion of the "supernatural" on the sole premise that it is something that science can't, as yet, explain. Even when no other explanations present themselves. SB has already said that they she didn't call Gavin by name. I'm sure they would have jumped on this as the first likely explanation of how this bizarre man knew his name. I'm sure they would have exhaustively examined every possible verbal exchange they had, in the hopes of gleaning a "Gavin" or a "Gav" or some derivation thereof, just to set their minds at ease.

The principles of quantum physics, and thus the dictates of science, and hence the tenets of rational thought, are as follows:

1. Anything is possible. Given infinite time, a sparrow could fly unimpeded through a 50 foot thick concrete wall.

2. Particles (electrons for example), literally "know" whether people are watching them or not and can make decisions based on this knowledge. Macrosize and extrapolate this idea using the laws of statistics and it opens up a whole new world of thought.

3. A particle can create itself by borrowing the energy from an equation and then pay the energy back to the equation so that it can borrow it in the first place.

Make sense? Sound logical? Well, neither does some guy knowing Gavin's name out of the blue.

I'm all for scepticism...nay, even cynicism. But when there is no other explanation...look further. That's why maxims like Occam's Razor are often misused. When reducing toward a conclusion from a plurality of possibilities, the possibilities that have not yet been discovered are inevitably discarded. There is still so much we don't know.

s.

 

[Monkeydust]

By all means search for a way to explain this by supernatural means. If you can prove it, then I, for one, may well believe you.

Until then, half-baked theories about "spirits and demons" which have a sum total of no conclusive evidence cannot be expected to be treated seriously.

I am not saying that categorically they are impossible, not at all - but it requires argument and evidence to support any such viewpoint, neither of which have been or can as yet be presented by anyone making supernatural claims.

The same was true for quantum physics. It remains so now.

 

[sebastian]

I am not saying that categorically they are impossible, not at all - but it requires argument and evidence to support any such viewpoint, neither of which have been or can as yet be presented by anyone making supernatural claims.

I agree. But people do categorically say that it's impossible, whereby i see a "supernatural" (supernatural in this case meaning, "all that science does not yet know") explanation as the most probable. And it's all about probability.

The fact of the matter is that our ability to empirically test everything is hindered by the infancy of our apparati. We haven't the ability yet, to test for things like this, because neither the theory, nor the technology are there yet.

It would be like cavemen testing for radio waves. We need to evolve...but in that evolution we, as a species should, at the very least, realize that we know very very little.

s.