[Guest]

I want an explanation from one of the people on here who believe that " I WANT TO BE BLACK" or that I am a " ******". I find it pretty offensive, ignorant, and racist when people here say this. I NEVER have been told this outside of this website, by black, white, spanish, asian, etc etc people and its kind of a shock to me.

I feel that I deserve an explanation. I DO NOT want to be " black", how can you want to be a whole race of people or a color??? Where I live, mostly all of the 30 and under people are " street" or " hip hop" and that is how I AM. It has NOTHING to do with color or race, it has to do with what ive grown up with and what I have seen.

Kelson ( hope you don't mind) is the person I can relate to most on this website, and hes like 25. But he knows what im talking about & he is white as well. Is he a ****** to? Does he want to be black????

Im sure Privateer knows what im talking about as well, and anyone else here who is into Hip Hop etc.

3 of my best friends are black, but thats not because I said " yo i want to be friends with these kids just because they are black" lol, it's because we just clicked and became friends.

Many of you here are probably ignorant or haven't been exposed to alot of different ethnicities as many of you are from Europe or suburbs, and live in perdomenetly white areas, and its not your fault.

Don't delete this post, because I want an explanation.... im trying to be open minded with this instead of just talking shit.

btw, the real definition of a " ******" ( i hate that word) is when lets say a RICH kid from the suburbs who lives in a very nice house, has money etc etc Tries very hard to be ghetto, and act out of character. Thats what everyone I know thinks a " ******" is.

but the word " ******" went out of style in like 97

Peace

 

[Dreamer]

Well, I never heard the word "******" until I read it on this site. I guess I'm too old for this, LOL.

Bro, I am a bit concerned about your POV as you said in another thread entitled Controversial topic - Bill Cosby

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:23 pm

Condeleeza ( spelling?) is an uncle tom

Link: http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1486&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Bro, it's your lack of respect for other people, illustrated in this one sentence, that perhaps ticks others off. If you can so easily say a hardworking black woman in the government is an "Uncle Tom" well....

I have no words. You don't know her in any way shape or form and find it so easy to throw a racial slur at her. Interesting.

I just say, show some respect, you'll get some back?
D

P.S. Gimpy, who started the Cosby thread?... he was here in Detroit tonight to a packed audience. I have to get the paper tomorrow to see the full coverage. I think he's doing this community a service. He seemed to be very welcome here. But the late night news bites don't do his visit justice.

 

[Dreamer]

Forgot to say. If you don't like Dr. Rice's politics, that's fine. Many don't like her. But why include her race in your dislike of her actions? And of course you weren't the only person in that thread being nasty. But truly...

... well, I sound like somebody's Mother. And I'm old enough to be yours Bro. 46 and proud of it. 8)

 

[Guest]

i said that because ive heard BLACK people say it, so i was like yeah i guess they are right.

What does Gimpy do???

 

[Dreamer]

i said that because ive heard BLACK people say it, so i was like yeah i guess they are right.
What does Gimpy do???

Bro, it's a dangerous thing to say someone's POV is correct because they're black, white, green, blue, or purple. Sure SOME black people don't like Dr. Rice, but I doubt ALL black people don't like her! That's making a gross generalization. You can't base your own POV on what any one group says, I don't care who they are.

Just a thought.

I believe Gimpy is a music critic. He knows a helluva lot about music. That's all I know.

D

 

[Dreamer]

Oh, that PS was TO Gimpy. I was just mentioning that Bill Cosby spoke here tonight in Detroit. Same stern message to black parents re: their kids. The place was packed solid. Just wanted Gimpy to know, and I'm going to check out the paper tomorrow to see what the reaction to Cosby was.

 

[Guest]

To be honest, I don't care about Condelesa Rice, never really did,

 

[JasonFar]

Soulbrotha, the fact of the matter is the sky doesn't have cocoa krispies in it. I mean, the intake of Vitamin C would be astronomical to the amount of liquid in that metal sphere by the lake, right? It's just so absurd how phones can go these distances but geese seem to enjoy eating baby mice. The beauty of the world is captivating, don't you think? I'm so in love with rocks sometimes, too, they seem to make the best cake! Wow. I hear African people eat fire, isn't that crazy?! Maybe, but what about the 7-Eleven that carries Bubble Tape for .76 cents! I couldn't believe it!

Make sure you tell that ball of yarn hi for me, btw.

 

[sleepingbeauty]

 

[Axel19]

I see your point SB.
The simple fact of the matter is that when one grows up in these areas, then it is perfectly acceptable for you, whether you be black or white, to dress that way, talk that way and listen to hip hop. It really does no longer make any sense to call people wiggas anymore, because the culture has become so broad. Hip hop culture, which we will call it, was originally started by black people, yes. Originally it may have made sense to call white people who were into that culture wiggas. But now days it is becoming increasingly more acceptable for white kids to become a part of that hip hop culture. So much so in fact that to call a white guy a wigga for it, makes about as much sense as calling someone who listens to rock music a wigga, cos' rock was effectively started by black people as well.
This may sound incredibally corny, but lets say hip hop no longer belongs to black people, rather it belongs to 'the street' (whatever the hell that means means). So if one were to accuse SB of anything, then it would be of trying to be street or ghetto or whatever (SB I don't know whether you are or not, I'm just making a point), not being a wigga, which is, as you put it, a culturally outdated word.
However SB, and I don't usually get involved with these things, surely you must admit that you can be a bit thoughtless in some of your posts, and end up saying hurtful or offensive things, when there was no call for it. I know it's not for me to tell you off, but you shouldn't have said those things about sb in that other thread, which is why Gav got p*ssed off and called you a wigga.
You've made a few remarks about indie culture as well. Indie culture is as justified as your hip hop culture. Although ultimately, some day, people from both cultures will have to lose the nike airs or parka jacket, stop voicing their opinion so bloody much, and grow up.

 

[sleepingbeauty]

my main problem with sb.. is not the fact that hes a chav or what his preferences are. its when he imposes his beliefs and values onto me and others is when i get bummed. first of all everything i post i post with a light heart. thats just who i am. i really dont think my form of humor.. which i admit involves alot of bathroom topics and juvinile stylings, is really all that offensive. im pretty sure that most of us here get the joke and if they dont and find me horrible and rude than i appoligise. but the point is i dont impose my beliefs onto others i always leave my posts open-ended and try not to force my opinions. unfortunately sb seems to CONSTANTLY force his lifestyle and opinions onto just about everyone here. and for some reason he seems shocked that people find that offensive. no one likes to be teased or ridiculed or put down for being who they are. i know sb doesnt like it.. but its only when he shoves his retoric down everyones collective throats that people instinctivly start throwing some of it back in his face.

maybe he should start realizing that its not everyone else that has the problem. its him. but of course he has NO PROBLEMS with ANYONE outside this site and if we come to his side of the tracks we will see that he is the king of the urban jungle. yada yada yada. stop playing this out of tune violin over and over and over and give everyone a break. PLEASE. weve heard it all its like this perpetual backpedal. its an old old tune we all know the mountians(!!!!!) of lyrics to.

news flash.. NO ONE CARES.

be whatever you want to be but dont expect everyone to worship you for it.

 

[Guest]

Reading through this thread, this song came to my mind.

He is my King, He is my one
Yes he's my father, Yes he's my son
I can talk to him, cuz he understands
Everything I go through and everything I am
He's my support system, I can't live without him
The best thing since sliced bread,
Is his kiss, his hugs, his lips, his touch
And I just want the whole world to know, about my..

(Chorus)
Black Brotha, I love ya, I will never - try to hurt ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true
cuz youre my
Black Brotha, strong brotha, there is no - one above ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true

(Verse 2)
He's misunderstood, some say that he's up to no good around the neighborhood
But fo' your information - alot of my brothers got education (now check it)
You got ya wallstreet brotha, ya blue collar brotha,
Your down for whatever chillin on the corner brother
A talented brotha, and to everyone of yall behind bars
You know that Angie loves ya

(chorus)
Black Brotha, I love ya, I will never - try to hurt ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true
cuz youre my
Black Brotha, I love ya, I will never - try to hurt ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you- forever true
cuz youre my
Black Brotha, strong brotha, there is no - one above ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true

(Bridge)
You mean so much to me, you give me what i need,
I'm so proud of you (I said I'm so proud of you)
I love you for stayin strong, you got it goin on
I'm so proud of you (I'mmmmmmmmm)
Going through thick and thin, brothas you gonna win
I'm so proud of you (I said I'm so proud of you)
Whenever you facin doubt, brothas gon work it out
I'm so proud of you (I got my shakable faith in ya)

(Chorus - twice)(Chorus)
Black Brotha, I love ya, I will never - try to hurt ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true
cuz youre my
Black Brotha, strong brotha, there is no - one above ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true
only my
Black Brotha, I love ya, I will never - try to hurt ya
I want ya, to know that, I'm here for you - forever true
cuz youre my

Angie Stone-Brotha

 

[Guest]

Wendy I don't see how that song has anything to do with my post, but ok... Angie Stone is a good singer.

Axel i like your post, and I agree with most of it, but i'd like to consider myself to be street wise, which is probably due to my love for rap music & hip hop. And also who I have grown up around and things of that nature. I think I am a rare case because I display intelligence but i have a street edge as well, which to me is very beneficial. Like I can have intelligent conversations with conservative adults but I can also go out on the corner and have day to day conversations with my friends or other people.

Sleeping, Im not forcing anything onto anyone, Im not telling anyone here that they have to like my lifestyle or my interests or even Me. Frankly I could care less, but you have to expect that your going to see a bit of me on this website, since it is a personality based website. Maybe you were joking about the whole hygiene thing, and thats fine, maybe I overreacted. But to me the thought of an unclean female is utterly disgusting and a huge turn off.

You just have to try to understand where I am coming from.

 

[GavinD]

Soulbrotha, you remind me of the kids I teach at school....your behaviour is consistenly offensive and provocative, yet as soon as someone offends you, you start whineing like it's the most unfair thing ever. And your argument doesnt even make any sense....in what way is what i said racist?!!

The fact of the matter is your whole 'gangsta' persona DOES, whether you agree or not, originate from black culture (certain black people that is... most black people I meet are way more sophisticated than that). I dont need to know as much as you do about hip hop, but I do know that the vast majority of hip hop artists are black and that whole subculture has come from inner city black areas.

and i didnt even use the word '******', so there's really no point telling me it went out of style in 97...neither the word '******' nor style is important to me.

The difference between what I said and the crap you come out with is that what I said about you is justified and based on fact and the way you blatantly present yourself. You, on the other hand accuse me of being some suburban indie nerd, or something like that, which is based on NO evidence and consequently way off the mark.

I have lived all my life on a pretty rough council estate where the are hordes of young white men like you who all put on this 'gangsta' persona (here we call them townies or chavs) and they spend their time going round stealing cars, vandalising and being a general nuisance, or if they're actually not doing it they're pathetically imitating the ones who are and imitating their hip hop idols with their couldnt-give-a-sh1t attitudes. So why didn't I, being surrounded by this culture all my life end up like them? Well, cause I have always aspired to better things and liked more cerebral things, like decent music (and not just indie but folk, pop electronica, classical, you name it....anything with artistry in the use of instruments) and have never felt the need to fit in to a certain stereotype and wear a certain uniform i.e. baseball cap, trackie bottoms, hoodies and 'bling bling' (ughhh, I hate to even use the terminology). That whole culture is about being as thuggish and dumb as possible and anyone who shows any sign of individuality, eccentricity or aspiration is viewed with disdain. And this is evident in you in the way you cannot tolerate other people's differences because they dont fit your banal normality. Like, you cannot stomach the fact that sleepingbeauty can have a joke about bodily functions like one of the lads, because in your world that's not what women do.

I strongly suggest to avoid being in this situation again when you're whining and asking for explanations you instead try to see the cause and effect of your offensive behaviour. I already know you wont even bother, cause just like the chav kids at my school, you got that couldnt-give-a-shit attitude....till someone offends you.

g

 

[Guest]

Gavin are you illiterate? Did you NOT read my post?????????

First off, the difference between me and your " chavs" is that I don't do any of the shit that you mentioned that they do. Secondly, I LIVE IN AN URBAN COMMUNITY FILLED WITH BLACK PEOPLE. For the fuckin 1000000th time, I AM NOT TRYING TO BE " GANGSTA" i don't claim to be gangsta. Just because you are STREET OR INTO HIP HOP, does NOT mean that you are a " wannabe gangsta".

Gavin's last post is the reason why I get offensive and angry, and ignorant because his post does not apply to me in any way, shape, or form.

You are basing your whole opinion of Rap music on the bullshit you see on TV & hear on mainstream radio, which is pathetic. Thats something that I would expect a 14 year old girl from suburbia to do.

Let me break this down for you nice & simple

A " Gangsta" or a " Thug" is a person who has no regard for their own well being or the well being of anyone else. Often these type of people, will carry guns, sell drugs ( which I have done), and basically live a reckless " I don't give a fuck" life. They don't care about prison, they don't care about anyone or anything, and this is why they will shoot you or hurt you without even thinking about it. I have a friend like this, who is currently facing felony charges.

I AM NOT that, although I have been in the street & done my fair share of dirt, I have alot of regard for people, probably more so than my own regard for myself. I am trying to improve my life & make things more positive.

The way i dress, talk, etc etc is because the Hip Hop culture & rap music has a huge influence on me, and has had this influence ever since i was a little kid. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT TO BE GANGSTA OR BE A THUG etc..... However, I do know the streets, thus the street life will always be somewhat apart of me.

these lyrics do a good job of what im trying to say

Kenn Starr- Walk The Walk
Intro
I be hearin these ****** man
Talkin about glorifying a lifestyle that they know nothin about
See I got cats that really live this lifestyle man, Theres nothin fun about it
Yall need to watch what yall are speakin on foreal

(Verse 1)
I aint never tried to be somethin Im not
All I ever tried to do was deliver somethin thats hot
Somethin to knock in ya car, Have you rockin the Starr
But yall want to critisize how im droppin my bars
I live what I talk, No reason to front
But some of yall got it twisted like tree's in a blunt
Im no Thug, never was, and probably never will be
I gotta talk about drugs for yall to feel me???
Huggin the block, pumpin them rocks
Runnin and duckin from cops
Dumpin shots from the pump of the glock
NAAAAA
I won't lie just to sell a cd
Cuz I aint trying to see a jail cell or 6 feet
It gets deep and quite wild
I'll say this right now
Don't talk about it, If it aint really ya lifestyle
And if it is, Than handle ya biz dude
I continue to do me
You continue to do you

( Chorus)
You gotta walk the walk
If you talk the talk
Otherwise bring all of this nonsense to a hault
Cuz most of these ****** nowadays don't play
So say what you mean
And mean what you say
( repeated 2x)

( Verse 2)

If you feel that im a hypocrit, Don't respond yet
I never talk about guns, outside of a battle rap context
Never palm teks,
I aint never let a clip pop,
Never squeezed triggas,
***** please, this is HIP HOP
I think that some of us have forgotten the truth
Cuz real hustlas be in the streets
Not in the booth
And I could care less if I end up loosin a fan
Cuz I aint gotta talk tough just to prove Im a man
Plus I rather use hands but they don't fight no more
Its trife cuz they don't even value life no more
So before you talk about gats
Let me stress that
What you speak, These cats in the streets will test that
You gotta play ya part, Plus know ya position
Im speakin some real stuff
If you only would listen
Get this
It aint about nobody else
You can't keep it real with others
To you keep it real with yaself

( Chorus 2x)

( Verse 3)

I don't think you understand what you rhymin about
Theres actually people who live what you liein about
Dog I know broke folks with no 9 to 5
That'll will rob you with a 9 for 5
And if you aint got 5
Take the change in ya pocket
Take the thang ( gun) cock it
And flame rockets to gain profits
And if you want war
They'll come to ya door
Strapped with 3, 45's like a quater to Four
They'll slaughter ya broad
But yall frauds don't gangbang
AND CUZ I HANG WITH EM
DON'T MEAN IM DOIN THE SAME THANG
IM JUST A REGULAR CAT
THATS HOLDIN MY OWN
I aint trying to hold chrome, To put a hole in ya dome
But before you critique this
Thinkin everythings sweet,
Peep this
DON'T MISTAKE MY KINDNESS FOR WEAKNESS
The way I sing it , Is the same way I live it
So however you bring it, Is the same way Im gonna give it

( Chorus 2x)

Outro- Talks

Basically that man
Don't get me wrong,If this is what you live man,
Im not knockin you
Do what you gotta do
But im sayin, If its not
Don't front
Do you man
Look at Me im a regular cat
And you don't hear me talkin about nothin like that
I talk what I live, knowwhatimsayin?
If you walk the walk you gotta talk the talk

Those lyrics basically describe what im trying to say & basically describe how I am.

 

[GavinD]

I never said that ALL people into hip hop are gangstas or thugs, I did actually say there were also just pathetic individuals who emulate those who are, by way of their surly attitude and the fact that they wear their background on their sleeve and broadcast it to the world to show how 'tough' and how 'street' they are, as if any of us are actually impressed or intimidated....just like the moronic looking pricks in macho poses who grace those pictures you (strangely) like to constantly post, as though we're actually interested. Soulbrotha....none of us care, I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Your music means a lot to you, I'm very happy for you and I'm sure you aren't a gangsta at all.....i know one thing you are though and that's a very opinionated and offensive young man who likes to run down other people for their way of life but cant handle it as soon as someone turns the scrutiny onto you.

 

[Guest]

Gavin you STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND

you are a fuckin cornball, straight up, theres else to be said about you.

your the type of person that I would love to punch in the fuckin face, you need some pussy or somethin dog, your an uptight narrow minded crab.

I just don't like you at all, nothing more to be said about that

 

[GavinD]

LOL, I'm uptight! that's rich.....look at the amount of posts you've made 'dog' and think of how many of them were whiney and angsty and argumentative. Soul, since you came to this site you've been in more quarrels than any other member by a long shot, which proves your attitude stinks and everyone here knows it except you.

'dog'!

 

[Dreamer]

What the hey, I'll dive back into the fray, but Bro, I don't think there is anything anyone can say to you that will make you understand.

Gavin made a lot of good points.

I was thinking, what is it that really makes me angry about you save savvy one liners such as "I don't care." ? <--- very constructive. :shock:

You have said in just the past few posts:

Many of you here are probably ignorant or haven't been exposed to alot of different ethnicities as many of you are from Europe or suburbs, and live in perdomenetly white areas, and its not your fault.

Oh my goodness, in my 46 years of life, yes I have attended a WASP private school, an international music camp for kids from all over the world from very diverse backgrounds and incomes, have traveled extensively including to Africa (Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania) -- my mother saw the horrors of Soweto in South Africa, I lived in Los Angeles for 16 years, never being able to afford "the high life", and lived the past 12 or so in a predominantly lower class Hispanic neighborhood. I'm now back in my hometown of Detroit. No, I don't live downtown, but I live in a "red neck" suburb.

Yes, where I grew up, defines me the most, gave me a solid foundation in life that ALL kids should have. What I got at school, I didn't get at home though -- there is abuse in wealthy families. But my life has taken me so many places, I've learned so much, and still have so much to learn. Also, how can you lump Europe into one group of people. There is poverty, class struggle, ethnic struggle in every country in this world.

Don't make assumptions about people, Bro. You make GROSS GENERALIZATIONS about everyone here. And don't seem to care to really get to know anyone.

But to me the thought of an unclean female is utterly disgusting and a huge turn off.

You talk about women as though they are objects. THAT'S what's bugging me. How they are "supposed" to be -- or rather how YOU feel they're supposed to be... and I'm not talking just about hygiene sp? They are not individuals, they are the trash that Rap DOES objectify, repeatedly.

Have you ever considered a woman's personality as a reason to go out with her? You'll be shocked, but women like a guy's personality, "the whole person." Not just weather his beard is neatly trimmed.

This particularly ticked me off ...

your the type of person that I would love to punch in the f--- face, you need some pussy or somethin dog...

Hmmm, he needs some "pussy" -- that will calm him down -- that is truly insulting for a woman to hear that line.

OK, I'm done. Forgive me. I shall refrain from further crabbing. There's no further reasoning with you Bro. You also seem to advocate violence as a means of settling an argument -- you will "punch [Gavin] in the face?!".

Sad.
D

 

[gimpy34]

Never thought I would say this but civility people.

To answer your question, SoulBro, the reason you probably never hear "******" is because you are from a community where a lot of people are hip-hop or urban or whatever. It wouldn't hold much meaning there.

Growing up going to an 85% white private school, there was the occasional white guy who wore his low-riding baggy jeans, baggy jacket and sideways hat or visor. He listened to rap, tried to "talk black" and tried so hard to be something he was not, a white kid from a well-to-do family. Those were the guys we called *******, guys who were total posers. I probably wouldn't use that term if that white guy was in fact "from the streets" or urban or whatever.

Years later you see that same kid wearing khakis and button-up shirts with loafers.

I really don't see the term being as derogatory as others do. It's more of a descriptive term for those type of guys I just talked about. There was one kid in my class growing up who we were friends with and called "******" and he didn't seem to mind.