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I don't know,, I was doing so well before vacation, and if you read my other post you will know that I had some heart palps which have scared me. Now I go back to DOc tomorrow, but I have felt like crying most the day, but didn't.. Back to livng in this prepetual fear that I am going to either go crazy or die suddenly.

Man I was really feeling like I had it all beat. Vacation was supposed to be fun,, The Sand the Surf. then the heart thing kicked in. Now I am home and afraid.

I started the Who I am thing... man I was rid of it..... Am I real.. ....
I had made so much progress and then this again.

They say the heart thing is benign, well then why does it flutter so much. I hate fear, I started fearing this morning that i would start hallucinating.. where do these stupid ideas come from.

I was on the way out... why can't I even take a vacation like a normal person with out this crap .... Sorry for the ranting and raving. but it is like I built this sand castle on the beach and some bully came and knocked down and now I have to start all over again........

If any of you have had this experience of feeling great and then starting over, and experiences with the heart paplpatations I certainly would appreciate some supportive words.... sorry to be a cry baby, but need a little help from my friends right now...

Feeling spacy and out of it..

KC
 

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KC,

I've been there. I remember that this is what really started my DP/DR. I was so worried for such a long time that my heart was weak or that I would have a heart attack, or suddenly die. I went to the doctor and got 3 tests done. After they assured me that I was ok, I had to force myself to believe them. I remember the night my DP/DR became full blown. I was sitting in bed and there was a sharp pain in my heart area. I almost jumped to the ceiling being in such a high awareness state. I had a bad panic attack and my DP was severe...and stayed. Once I finally convinced my self after a while that these heart problems were really not even problems, just annoying, I learned to just ignore them and VOILA! they wen't away. They come back once and a while but they don't hurt me. The more you concentrate on them and worry about them, oddly, they will happen more. Don't worry yourself. I've been there.
 

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Back to livng in this prepetual fear that I am going to either go crazy or die suddenly
..and hence the existence of the DP. My theory on DP hasn't changed much since I have been part of this board, in fact, the people and events that have shaped this board have done nothing but proven to me that I'm not that far off, I feel, on the reasons I seethe disorder exists. Apart from the physiological roots which does play strongly on some here (hormones, etc.), psychologically I don't feel it's much more than a great escape act by part of our minds in an attempt to protect us. It's quite possible some of us have neurobiological predispositions to the disorder - but nontheless, I believe the effects exist for purposeful reasons (ableit, perhaps, a bit overblown in our cases).

Some of my earliest and deepest fears regarded death. I remember being really, really young and waking up at nights in a deep sweat - afraid of the sudden awareness I had about my fragile reality in this world. I would re-realize that I was destined to die, to be non-existent, to be unaware, etc. - to face the blackness that I see as our end. This was a deep and extremely vivid reality to me - and I suddenly felt a great fear of entrapment overwhelm me. What I did to get over this feeling would characterize depersonaliation and derealization for me - I would escape into my mind and totally seperate myself from things. I became quite adept at being able to shield myself from my real surroundings as reality was, to me, too much to bear. In a sense, I was vividly and overly aware of the reality of existence, at least as it appeared to me, and that the existence I saw was not necessarily safe and loving to me just because I lived. Understand?

You may be religious, but you still fear death - or, at least, what it means to you in some fashion. If you didn't then your heart palpitations would be meaningless to you. I'm not saying that depersonalization or derealization is the escape mechanisms of our mind from the fear of death - but I am saying they are the, either purposeful or inflamed accidental, states our mind reach in order to distance ourselves from things that seem horrific or unpleasing in reality.

Reality has not changed to us - I really feel this; it did not suddenly change perceptually. What was blue before is still blue, right? What was soft before is still soft, right? You cannot hide from the empirical reality that was your world before - as it still exists today (have your children's names changed suddenly?). What did change was our reaction to our perceptions, or the hidden middle-layer of behaviorism that most people tend to forget (it isn't things that make us mad, but our reaction to things - therefore, us). The vivid, in your face, nature of reality is doing something different to you than it did before: perhaps you've become aware of it even more, or perhaps it changed in a way that was unsettling. The basic tenets of existence didn't change - but something did change that overwhelmed your psychological filters to it, and hence, your ability to deal with it. Like a child who reacts to a frightening shadow by hiding their heads under the covers - we have draped over us some new and present veil of protection that, due to its effects upon us, also makes us feel uncomfortable: in other words, you fear death, so you nudge away death through mental numbness, but you're so damn overly aware of your body and mind that the mental numbness now feels as scarey as the death itself. In short: what else can your mind do?

It's complex and, yet, simple all at the same time - so simple that I think we overlook it. I may be wrong, but I really don't feel so - and the reason is because, as with any idea that leans towards being correct, I can make certain assumptions using it as a basic rule and those assumptions tend to pan out. Let me show you...

I fear death - that is a fact. My mind is going to react to this fear in a mulitude of ways, and one of those ways is by derealizing the reality that includes death, and depersonalizing the fears I have associated with it. So what have I done? I stop for a second and observe nature and think about the world that will continue to exist after I die - I think about the sun that will rise the next morning, and I think about the beauty that won't die with me. Once I start realizing that once I die, the world that I existed in won't die, but will continue to grow (maybe even a bit better since I was in it), I become less afraid of death.

I fear going crazy - that is a fact. So what I do is realize that even if I were to go crazy, I would survive, I wouldn't die, and there are medications out there to help. I might even try so hard to work against it that I could help scientists with the disorder (by taking experimental drugs), or I could even travel the country after recovering and help others out in the disorder too.

In short, the greatest thing to fear is fear itself. Rather than chasing your tail with depersonalization and derealization, come to peace with the reality you're living - and suddenly it won't feel so wrong living it. That's my two cents, take it or leave it.
 

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Ben said:
In short, the greatest thing to fear is fear itself. Rather than chasing your tail with depersonalization and derealization, come to peace with the reality you're living - and suddenly it won't feel so wrong living it. That's my two cents, take it or leave it.
Make sure to let us know there's a short version at the bottom next time. I'm too impatient and getting all in-depth makes my dp soar.

Great post though, Ben.
 

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I do agree, the fear of death thing.... I think to it was the frustration... Since this all began this is the first time I had gone away with my family, wanted to be able to do certain things, hit the jet skies etc.... but you know when your heart is palpatating or having PVCS even if the doctor said it wasn't anything to worry about, your mind kicks in to this what if I go out there and your heart stops.....Crazy I know......... Plus i had just started enjoying life again and this comes up. You know it is more frustrating then anything, but you are right Ben it stems from the fear of dying. I so wanted my vacation with my family to go well and to just let loose and have fun.... When I go to the Doc tomorrow I guess the best thing is just to trust whatever he says about it and accept it like you are saying. It is hard not to be frightened when it is your heart . I don't want to die yet,, got things I want to do , like get completely well mentally... Thanks for your words all, it is nice to hear support from friends, I sure don't get it at home.
 

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Apart from the physiological roots which does play strongly on some here (hormones, etc.), psychologically I don't feel it's much more than a great escape act by part of our minds in an attempt to protect us.
Man, our mind sure has a shitty way of trying to protect us. Stupid mind, making me feel worse than i would without it's "protection" :lol:
 

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Ben said:
Apart from the physiological roots which does play strongly on some here (hormones, etc.), psychologically I don't feel it's much more than a great escape act by part of our minds in an attempt to protect us.
Man, our mind sure has a shitty way of trying to protect us. Stupid mind, making me feel worse than i would without it's "protection" :lol:
 
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disclaimer: yes, anyone with heart symptoms should go to the doctor and get checked and yes there are neurological predispositions for DP and anxiety.

All that said, I now address something else:

Thanks for your words all, it is nice to hear support from friends, I sure don't get it at home.
Besides the lack of sympathy for your mental condition, there is probably something else (some thought, or idea, or set of feelings about yourself) that are NOT being addressed in your family life. Some part of you that you have no outlet for, no understanding or compassion about....

your symptoms REPRESENT that part of you. Geting rid of your symtpoms totally sounds great, but if they are STANDING for something else, then you are going to pull them back in every time they start to waft away. Why? Because to let them LEAVE is to also lose the part of yourself that you do not know how to integrate INTO yourself. Let the symptoms leave under those conditions, and you feel as if you are "selling out" the part of yourself screaming for attention. You would then become the person your family wants you to be - but lose a part of you that you need to express and that they do not want to acknowledge. Certainly enough to make anyone's heart start flipping in its chest.

A happy go lucky vacation is fine, but if there is some lurking reminder that part of you is not welcome there, you will hear its cries and turn to it: and start the obsessing "who am I" or "where did those awful dp states come from?" and there in the middle of sand and surf you will suddenly RE-INVITE your symptoms right back - as if you are keeping a part of yourSelf alive that your family would never notice missing if you were let it drift to sea.

It is not that you want to suffer. But finding out what those symptoms SYMBOLIZE for you might help you to really let go of them as you progress.

Peace,
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Man, our mind sure has a sh*t way of trying to protect us.
You know, I think for some the method our mind uses isn't bothersome. Think about it - some people react just fine to be stoned to the bejesus belt, whereas others have serious problems with it - that is, they freak out due to the lack of control they feel over their limbs, thoughts, etc. It's very possible that our biology and our psychology are just colliding somewhere in the middle.
 

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Hi there,

I don't have any indepth explaination of what is going on, but I have done what you are doing if that counts for anything.

When someone on either side of my family dies, it is uually from a heart attack. They just drop dead. I have high cholesterol, used to smoke, drink...all the fun stuff...and then I started having anxiety attacks, which can mimic a heart attack. Can't tell you how many ekg's I've had. Fairly recently my doc had me go to the hospital to do the tread mill test just in case I really do have a problem. I can get myself so worked up that I feel pain and tightness in my chest, sweating and my left arm gets all numb and tingly. I should really put most of that in past tense, as I have learned to reassure myself it is not a heart attack and I am not going to die. Fear of death...HUGE on my list. My husband recently had some very real heart issues and I think it got me going again which is why I had to do the treadmill thing. :? ALL in my head.

For years I used to take what I called my "heart attack" aspirin. You know how they say to take one if you think you are having an attack? Okay, so I would take the aspirin, heart racing, mind racing, making myself sweat...and then I would go and take a shower, as I did want to be "fresh" for when the ambulance came or someone found me. Usually after about 5 minutes in the shower, my heart attack would be over and I would be thinking about something completely different until I remembered I was just in the midst of a Heart Attack.

It is an awful fear, but one you can overcome. Hey, for what it's worth, try the asperin thing and either take a shower or sit and do some deep breathing. If you are going to have an attack the aspirin will help and if you're not...you get to feel the relief of surviving another near hit! :wink:

So sorry for your bum vacation. Sorry you don't get any sorries at home. Join the club. :(

I do hope you are able to work this out. My best to you.
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Thanks for all of your responses, I appreciate it. I go tomorrow at 8:15 AM to the Doc ,, see what he says... Probably like everyone is saying, stress... I have had a few palps on and off all day....

Janine I see what you are saying... and I agree. Mental or Physical these symptoms are trying to say something .....I hope I find the answer soon. I think right now I am lost. just kind of floating where the current is taking me and I need to find out just what it is I need to find out if you know what I mean.

It is true at home no one wants a part of any of this, they want the old me back. the guy that was so much fun to be around, not the neurotic , worried, freaked out guy, .....
 

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Well went to Doc this morning, He said yep you have some PVCs I will increase your beta blocker and see how you do. These PVCs are not harmful, you need to relax and not worry so much..

HA HA HA HA HA laugh, giggle,, snicker..... NOT WORRY SO MUCH... but Doc I am such a professional at it.

It is also hard not to worry when you feel like crap, because you worry so much....especially when your heart feels like it is doing cartwheels
 
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