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psychiatrist prescribed me this some months ago but haven't taken it (along with remeron as well). i guess i'm afraid of it changing me worse then i already am. do you have any psychotic symptoms, such as hallucinations? have you experienced anything bad with it yet?
 

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I'm taking 1 mg Risperdal + a couple of other meds. It was prescibed for me for depersonalization, no psychotic symptoms or hallucinations here. For me it has brought relief and no side effects other than constant hunger, which I'll just have to ignore..so Ziggomatix has a point there :?. Without this med I'm pretty much unable to function, but I still feel dp:d. I used to be very afraid of anti-psychotics but for me they've so far caused no harm.
 

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Usually doctors will prescribe low doses of anti-psychotics for patients who aren't psychotic. High doses are usually only necessary for schizophrenics. So, the weight gain might not be that substantial if you stay that long on that small dose. I took .25 mg of Risperdal for a little while. It didn't do that much except the fist night I took it, I felt like committing suicide, but only that first night did it do that. My doctor told me that meant I wasn't psychotic b/c most schizophrenics feel good with their first dose and non-psychotic people feel like crap.
 

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Do I have psychotic symptoms? Well, I don't believe I am psychotic... how about that. Anti-psychotics are prescribed for those with general anxiety as well.

Hmmm... interesting posts. I am definately concerned about the weight issue as i just lost about 16 lb. AND, i have noticed a large increase in my hunger :( Nooooooooooooooooooooooo. Anyways, what I gain I can lose again. I've also been having feelings of paxil withdrawal (shocks) even though I havent' changed that dose. I've been having more nightmares too. What concerns me most though is that I've noticed I've been quite loopy these days. Anyone had this?

That's about all so far. It's too early in the game and my dose is rather low. I see my psychiatrist in a few days. I will update later.
 

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All right... Here's an update. Saw my psychiatrist today. I was up front with all of my thoughts. She is still going with a rare form of schizophrenia, but she won't say it's only this disorder because some of my sypmtoms overlap with other disorders. It seems like no two diagnoses I've received have been the same. But I guess that's what I have to deal with. So I've reluctantly agreed to increase my risperidol dose from 0.25 mg to 0.50 mg. I'm scared but I guess I will do it. 0.5 mg is still a minute quantity. I have no further side effects to report and those which I did speak of previously still remain. Hopefully they will not linger.
 

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hi university girl

risperidone is the one drug that completely phucked my head up - at first it made me sleepy and relaxed and I put on quite a lot of weight - but it did nothing for my dp/dr - eventually I upped the dose to something quite large - can't remember how much exactly - and this induced a full blown 8 hour panic attack in me that felt pretty much the same as the acid trip that started this whole miserable experience off 30 (yes thirty) years ago

.. so, there being nothing in the instructions about withdrawal/tapering off I stopped taking the stuff and then had terrible withdrawal symptoms - sweating, shaking, couldn'y eat, lost 30 pounds (every cloud...), nervous wreck, agrophobic, couldn't face meeting anyone and for the first time in my life I realised the true meaning of the term "clinical depression" - almost like a physical condition - had terrible fidgets and a sort of nausea in my spine and bones that made me want to stretch to make it go away - was so depressed.. if I hadn't had kids would have done away with meself I'm sure...

went back on risperidone and hey ho the withdrawal symptoms disappeared but the panic attacks started recurring - a rock and hard place indeed - used valium, ssri's plus very very slow tapering to get through the withdrawal process which lasted nearly six months

the worst experience of my life - worse by far than dp/dr - remember thinking affectionately about my good old dp and wondering why couldn't I have left well alone and just made the best of things as they were ....

but bear in mind my reaction to the nightmare that was risperidone was probably unique ..

for what it's worth I feel honour bound to tell you what happened to me

feel free to pm me if you want to talk some more

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WIth drug-induced DP, if it is a different mechanism than standard DP, then I would recommend seriously looking at how Risperdal and similar anti-psychotics have had strong negative effects on individuals with drug-induced vision disorders. This is documented in the literature on numerous occasions:

Here are some references:

Is there a role for the alpha-sub-2 antagonism in the exacerbation of hallucinogen-persisting perception disorder with risperidone?
Authors: A. G. Alcantra
Journal: Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology 1998, 18:6, 487-488

LSD-Like: panic from risperidone in post-LSD visual disorder
Authors: H.D. Abraham and A. Mamen
Journal: Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology 1996, Vol. 16, No.3:238-231
 

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Thanks NODID. I will take a look at these papers. I am more paranoid now but also more informed. :D

Today is a bad day and I attribute it mostly to the risperdal. I feel like I am drunk and keep falling over. I get car sick much easier too.
 

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I Don't think durg-induced DP has anything to do with HPPD. And it's definatly not a vision disorder
DutchMark... I disagree. I feel visual DR is a vision disorder. How could it not be? My DR is the same DR that existed while I was high. I think HPPD and the visual disturbances reported by those with DP or DR are very similar.
 

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Did you had you're first DP moment combined with an anxiety attack? cause that's what happened to me I and certanly don't have HPPD. I know a person myself with this disorder and its far different of what I'm suffering of. He realy can't stare at objects longer than 3 seconds before they melt away right in front of him. HPPD is a far more vision related disorder then DP is. after all dp is still an anxiety product, HPPD is not anxiety related at all
 

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DutchMark said:
Did you had you're first DP moment combined with an anxiety attack? cause that's what happened to me I and certanly don't have HPPD. I know a person myself with this disorder and its far different of what I'm suffering of. He realy can't stare at objects longer than 3 seconds before they melt away right in front of him. HPPD is a far more vision related disorder then DP is. after all dp is still an anxiety product, HPPD is not anxiety related at all
I had no anxiety during the onset of my DP. Anxiety is not required (read Daphne Simeon's latest DP article). An interesting note... sometimes there is no known cause for the onset of DP- it just happens. I have never had a panic attack.
 

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Almost two weeks on 0.25 mgs. Bad side effects (feeling drunk) seem to have subsided. No weight gain to report. No improvement of symptoms. If only there was a drug shown to significantly decrease dissociative symptoms... :(
 

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Ok so now I've gained about 5 lb :x and it seems as though my social anxiety is actually worse. I feel more stupid too. :? As both Risperdal and Paxil act on serotonin, I wonder if the Risperdal is counteracting the Paxil. It is not known how Risperdal actually works. Gonna ask a pharmacist if Risperdal can counteract Paxil. It makes sense to me that that is what has happened because when I first started the antipsychotic, I was getting the shocks I only get when I decrease my Paxil dose. I'm also have muscle tension in my jaw/can't figure out how to hold my mouth... something which I haven't had in years.
 

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Hi! I concluded that you possibly/probably don't appear to like me,

because once in a chat room on this website, you sent me a PM asking me about my comma usage, and then you asked me 'not very nicely' whether or not I never graduated high school because of how many I used, and said that I used them incorrectly!

'thankyou' again!' soooo much for being unpleasant,
like i'm sure you kindly realised, it helped me so much.

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(I only have these few left)

Ok so now I've gained about 5 lb and it seems as though my social anxiety is actually worse. I feel more stupid too. As both Risperdal and Paxil act on serotonin, I wonder if the Risperdal is counteracting the Paxil. It is not known how Risperdal actually works
Although what you said to me, was so dreadfully hurtful at the time, (because of the way it like wrecked the' emotionz inside o' my heart) you also wrote this and I decided to reply anyway because 1. I feel like it, 2. i'm bored right now. and 3. I don't like Risperidone.
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Risperidone is a more recent, a-typical strong neuroleptic/anti-psychotic drug in the family up from Halperidol, (which was the next generation up from Thorazine) a drug nicknamed, & sometimes referred to (arguably post-lobotomy), by psychiatrists as a chemical lobotomy.

Risperidone works in the same way, in that it blunts the highest functions of the brain in the frontal lobes and the connected basal ganglia.

These class of drugs can impair (arguably alter) the reticular 'energising' system of your brain, during ingestion. Risperdal binds more to serotonin neurotransmitters in its action than other drugs in that family, but doesn't really have much relation to serotonin specifically.

It is not suprising to percieve that the effects of this, may alter the way you feel intellectually or emotionally.

The eletrical zaps, are usually the result of missing a dose, or withdrawing from paxil (it can last quite a while, depending on the invididual, and circumstances), where your brain is trying to readjust to its natural transmission of serotonin from its reliance of having been
downregulated by the drug.

OF course this isn't not to suggest that risperidone still isn't a seemingly bad mix, because it does have minor implications to serotonin (5hT etc.).

Problem might be also, that if this drug, causes new issues, they maybe defined as an underlying condition.

Don't forget that the label's for diagnoses here, schizophrenia maybe/maybe not etc. may also be theories put forward toward you, by an individual rather than something concrete, like a diagnosis of diabetes, or hypoglaecemia. Diabeties can't be argued a theory.

You mentioned that your jaw is feeling locked up, could this be the warning signs of 'tardive dsykinesia'?, which is an involuntary movement condition caused by neuroleptics, during prolonged ingestion (arguably more than a month or so),

which results in disfiguring grimaces, and unwanted movements, relating in some ways to parkinsonism because of the altered 'dopaminegenic' effects of this stuff.

"in any case you should have been warned/told about it when
you first began treatment."

Can you honestly say to yourself, that you would likely, be comfortable to stay on this stuff forever anyway? (sorry about the commas maybe i'm not intellectual your right).

Anyways, what I gain I can lose again
I am definately concerned about the weight issue as i just lost about 16 lb. AND, i have noticed a large increase in my hunger
These 2 statements contradict each other a little, is your weight losing or gaining? Risperidone can cause alterations in weight as a side effect. It can also effect your memory which may or not be evident/applicable to you in this instance.

If you feel like the 'normal/correct' you, is not how you feel because of this med, (loopy you said) isn't it wise to think twice about whether or not
it is helping or benefiting you?

Do you feel like you are benefiting in what you required treatment for in the first place?, is the first question you should ask yourself.

There is no evidence that this drug we are talking about has any beneficial effect on dp/dr in a classical sense at all, and what scares me is that dp/dr may sound so strange as a verbalisation to a 6 minute psychiatrist that they may just look up in their handbook and consider simply 'psychosis' as a possibility in their initial (partially
informationally open to you) assessment.

Which might not be so good, on the grounds of not wanting to take meds.
Ask them if paxil withdrawal exists... they might just tell you 'discontinuation syndrome'.

The 'zaps', are a sign that your brain is still able to return itself from the alteration from paxil back to its natural serotonin rhythm.

IF you have dp/dr, it is often related to heightened anxiety/agitation, sometimes medications can overcomplicate the problem, don't forget a psychiatrist works by giving out a prescription, (thats it really) for any symptoms which can be a pretty singleminded idea.

Peace,
Grandma.
 
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There is a point towards the end.

I recently went to a shrink who after one hour told me that I didn't have DP/DR. She said I functioned too well in life and that if I had DP/DR I wouldn't have been able to have a job, get married, take care of myself etc... She pre-supposed that DP/DR = Dysfunctional. Since DP/DR is rare I would guess that most shrinks have less knowledge than we do on treating &diagnosing DP/DR. I've spent 6 months reading everything I can find on DP/DR studies and I think you'll all agree, the sources are quite limited.

Here is how typical treatment takes place. I think we've all been down this painful road. Shrink sees patient. Patient explains DP/DR symptoms. Shrink says let me do some research. Shrink has 2-5 minute conversation with colleague who may or may not have had a bit of expereince dealing with a couple patients with Dissociative disorders. Colleague says, "Maybe its Psychosis", or "They are just having Anxiety/Panic". They each refer to the one measly paragraph in the shrink book that inadequetely explains Dissociation. Patient comes for second visit. And then.....Shrink either misdiagnoses and treats for Shizophrenia, Anxiety or something else. Essentially we're lab rats at the whims and half baked guesses of people that probably know less than we do on the condition.

My point is this, Unless you can somehow hunt down one of the few experts out there on this condition, you are better off bringing in abstracts that you've read on the condition and letting the shrink read those before any diagnosis is made. If they don't believe you have DP/DR and they don't even know what it is, you'll get nowhere. In fact you'll be poisoning your brain. Sounds tough but I'm just speaking from personal experience. Drugs prescribed to me on whims in the past have been disastrous. Please be careful and for goshsakes get a second opinion.

I wish you all of hte luck in the world!!! Best Karma to all of us tortured souls.
 
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Hi,

I wonder too about anti-psychotics... Lately (today) I made a huge pancik attack, with crying, ect. I took 0,5 klono (0,5 already in the morning!!!) and it never helped my dp/dr who was 10/10 on the scale. Went alone in the mall, take a pepsi, and I felt so invisible, so phantom... but aware that people were looking at me. How horrible. I was feeling hopeless and thought of being dead. I was feeling so crazy. So hopeless. I want relief....

It was one of my worst day.

Sometimes I think of it, anti-psychotics.

It's been 2 hours that I made my crisis. and I am at home, and feeling anxious again. Yes, I lowered my Paxil to 10 mg, and had a fight with my boyfriend who thought I should stay on Paxil and I tried ot make him understand that at 20 mg of Paxil I am very depressed anyway and unable to take the bus because very confused, and he was angry at me. But..... I really want to try Anafranil!!!!

That's how it began.

I am tired, so tired, that sometimes I think of it.

I know it's not the answer. But I feel so bad. Like today.

Cynthia :(
 
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