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I have been reading an interesting book by author Donna Williams entailed; *Autism and Sensing* (The Unlost Instinct).

Ms Williams states elsewhere that she is a "high functioning" Autistic person. She describes her state of "being" as a young child as a system of sense awareness that exists for all of us prior to a developement of "mind" and prior to a sense of a seperate or even a bodily "I". In this state sense impressions (color, sound, touch etc.) are expierenced in the raw without interpretation or hierarchy of value or meaning. Events occur as shifting patterns of energy in contact with the senses but with no sense of a "self" as being the "experiencer". It is "being" without intention. No rhyme or reason, simply an awareness of the flux of "life substance" undifferentiated and uninterpreted. She states this condition is a type of a system which gives one an experience of "reality" unfiltered. She claims that "knowledge" is acquired in this state but is not rationally or intentionally accessible but only comes to awareness through some form of "triggering". Words fail me to be able to capture what she says in an accurate manner, so I won't try any further. In fact much of my understanding of the book I have gained through intuition. In many ways it is a difficult book to read and understand in the "traditional sense" but I am gaining insight from it and enjoying it so thought I would mention it.

I feel that when I have an attack of DP/DR something "unconcious" usually has triggered it. That is it is usually nothing that I am aware of that sets it off.

I have read that the "experience" of very early childhood trauma can be stored in the psyche somewhere and when awareness passess nearby, somehow or other, psychological, or even "ethereal "toxins are released, and we, although we may not be able to recall any specific event, may nevertheless be psychologically transformed mentally back to this state of experiencing "reality" as we did prior to the construction of a sense of me and other, i.e. a "personal distinct self" if this is the time period when the initial trauma occurred. And as this constructed sense of self we have developed, now under the influence of these unconcious mental/emotional toxins begins to dismantle, we start having feelings of being unreal, or things around us seem unreal and unfamiliar.

As I am reading Ms Williams book I can't help but notice some similarities between how i experience DP/DR and her description of the Autistic state of "pre mind-pre body" she refers to.

Does anyone know if there has been any research which correlates symptoms of DP/DR with some variety of autism. Or is there such a thing as transient autism? It is just that what she describes sounds like what I experience when DP/DR attacks but in my case there is always enough self left to feel the panic.

Thanks for putting up with me.

Sincerely
john
 
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I may not be autistic but I will say I took an IQ test once (actually twice) and the results were uneven in the 8 different indexes to say the least. Thought my composite score was 119-123, in the Processing Speed index my score was 69 (retarded)...and in the Verbal it was something like 137 (smarter than normal)...so my faculties are unevenly distributed, almost as if I have a mild form of autism. Can some expert comment on this or offer their own experiences with psychological/intelligence measurements?
 

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orlando said:
Does anyone know if there has been any research which correlates symptoms of DP/DR with some variety of autism. Or is there such a thing as transient autism? It is just that what she describes sounds like what I experience when DP/DR attacks but in my case there is always enough self left to feel the panic.
I don't know about any research into this (my guess is, there's not), but in a thread I started here a couple of months ago about Asperger's syndrome (a form of high functioning autism which I strongly believe I may have) another member (who also believes they may have Asperger's) informed me that she noticed that there is a greater tendency among 'Aspies' to develop dp/dr.

This is only anectdotal, of course (based on the observation of a single individual).

Whether it could relate in any way to any of the above I couldn't say.

But I've certainly never heard of any sort of 'transient autism', and don't really see how it could be possible (all forms of autism have far much to do with the brains 'wiring').

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I also always wondered if there was a connection between autism and dp. I used to work with children with autism and aspergers. I could relate alot to behaviours that i saw in children and infomation i studied. Particully that autism (and im inc aspergers in that) was to do with perception and the way things were recieved in the mind. The world is a scarey place to someone who doesnt understand the language, the body language or the bombardment of all this intense outside infomation. Its like all these messages coming into your mind are magnified and in doing so it becomes distorted, it is too much to interpret. So you end up going into your head and your own world and any attempt to retrieve you from there is met with anger and fear as its too scarey and confusing out there. There are some great books out there by people with autism. There is one by tempany ?? i forget right now but it was great.
 
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