[Guest]

hello everybody! I want to make this question and everyone to answer honestly : Do you believe that someday you'll exit dp-dr?

Just statistic!!!

 

[enigma]

No.

How do I know I'm right?

Because I'm never wrong when I'd like to be.

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[Guest]

i dont really care anymore

 

[Kelson12]

^^^then stop posting, cause you're pissing alot of people off.

 

[Guest]

^^^then stop posting, cause you're pissing alot of people off.

you and soulbro dont count as "alot of people" now take the time to go fuck yourself you pu$$

 

[Guest]

i know i will get past this for sure....I have my lord on my side...I love you Jesus!!

 

[AHuseman]

I've been praying to God I will get outta this also. Although I have doubt 'cause mine is 24/7.

 

[Guest]

I've been praying to God I will get outta this also. Although I have doubt 'cause mine is 24/7.

dont have doubt and dont think about the past and you will get through it, keep pushing on

 

[Guest]

I am also a person that HAD it 24/7...now i still have it, but it is very mild compared to what it was. Keep praying man, He will take it all away I promise.

 

[AHuseman]

Did you have derealization 24/7 before you took benzos Robbie?

 

[person3]

yes, when i decide to give this game up.

let me play just a little longer little chessmen

will i ever surrender? who knows. I think I will though. I hope.

 

[Monkeydust]

hello everybody! I want to make this question and everyone to answer honestly : Do you believe that someday you'll exit dp-dr?

If I don't turn psychotic, then yes.

I see no reason why it shouldn't go away. My brain's certainly capable of not being DPd as I've had periods where it's gone away completely.

Even if I have to work for a long time to finance some very expensive therapy then that is what I'll do

Bear in mind, all you pessimists, that more research on and understanding of DP is coming together now than at any time in the recent past. I'm not saying we're gonna have "miracle cures", but I'm sure there's gonna be better methods of treatment and alleviation of symptoms.

^^^then stop posting, cause you're pissing alot of people off.

Amen to that.

Speaking of which...

Keep praying man, He will take it all away I promise.

I'm not personally attacking your religious values Robbie, but I really do think this is bad advice for anyone suffering from DP/DR.

Why? Because it's may well potentially give people "false hope", encouraging them to pray for relief rather than to take actual and practical steps to change things in the real world.

And, besides, all this begs the obvious question: if God can cure this, if he really can ease the suffering of a number of people who aren't in any sense "bad" guys and gals, why doesn't he?

dont have doubt and dont think about the past and you will get through it, keep pushing on

This is sound advice.

To anyone else out there who's thinking "I have no chance, I'll have it forever", you must keep trying to fight it whatever happens. I can't promise it will go away, no one can, but if you fight it rather than give in you're much more likely to be able to cope better and enjoy life, regardless of everything else.

 

[g-funk]

There's no doubt it is entirely possible, as there is living proof. Unfortunately everybody is so unique that it is not so easy as to pass on 'the cure'.
There are a lot of people on the board who have great advice, use the advice that feels right for you.

 

[AHuseman]

I'm not personally attacking your religious values Robbie, but I really do think this is bad advice for anyone suffering from DP/DR.

Why? Because it's may well potentially give people "false hope", encouraging them to pray for relief rather than to take actual and practical steps to change things in the real world.

And, besides, all this begs the obvious question: if God can cure this, if he really can ease the suffering of a number of people who aren't in any sense "bad" guys and gals, why doesn't he?

Although I'm not Robbie, how would you know if thats false hope and bad advice for us? And you ask why doesn't God cure this if he can ease suffering? Maybe he lets it happen to some of us who know him for a reason (maybe to make us stronger or to test our faith), and yet if a person doesn't know God, anything can happen to them; good or bad as well. And he doesn't "cure" anything overnight. Ohh and another thing...I've read lots of recovery stories (not from this site, but from other places and so on) and the majority of people (probably 80 or 90%) mention something about God or finding God etc. Like this one guy, he was like 18 or 19 I read about on some other board, had chronic DP/DR 24/7 for about almost 2 years, he would make positive posts about God when he had DP. He came back to that board awhile back to tell everybody he had recovered (seem pretty quick?). But at the same time I'm not saying God is the only cure. And I also notice that probably 90% of people on this board don't believe in God or aren't close to God. And we don't hear much recovery stories here. It may be or true, or maybe not.

 

[Guest]

i know i will get past this for sure....I have my lord on my side...I love you Jesus!!

I find it sad you won't give yourself any credit when this happens, just some imaginary friend. :wink:

You deserve all the praise for this.

 

[Monkeydust]

Although I'm not Robbie, how would you know if thats false hope and bad advice for us?

It depends what you mean by a "false hope", I suppose.

If people start to think that God will just make it "go away" then they're clearly wrong; even if you accept that He exists it's obvious He doesn't just make it "disappear", not in a short length of time anyway.

If, on the other hand, we take it to mean that it's something that makes you "feel good" - almost like a mental "crutch" to fall back on - then it may have some value.

All I am saying is that I think it's bad advice to encourage prayer as opposed to more down-to-earth measures as a means to recovery. It may make you "feel nice inside" for a while, but it ain't gonna end your symptoms - that takes actual and practical steps.

And you ask why doesn't God cure this if he can ease suffering? Maybe he lets it happen to some of us who know him for a reason (maybe to make us stronger or to test our faith)

The implication behind this, of course, is that it is in God's power to inflict "bad" things - mental illness being but one example - and that He chooses to do so because that makes the end result somewhat "better", in His eyes.

Your contention that it's to make us "stronger" might stand up to reason were it not the case that He uses this supposed "power" to inflict irreversible harm; or at least fails to use his power to prevent it.

Does terminal cancer make people "stronger"? No.

Motor neurone disease? Don't count on it.

Fatal heart attacks? Not really.

This being the case, it seems equally unlikely that He inflicts or does not prevent the onset and continual of mental health symptoms.

 

[AHuseman]

It depends what you mean by a "false hope"

You mentioned it.

If people start to think that God will just make it "go away" then they're clearly wrong; even if you accept that He exists it's obvious He doesn't just make it "disappear", not in a short length of time anyway.

I do agree to that in some aspect. Recovery is not an overnight thing like you say in referring to God "just making it go away". He can do anything, but it doesn't mean he will. Relating to him and recovery, it's alot more than just "accepting he exists". In your quote, you left out where I said "he doesn't cure anything overnight." Thats what I meant when you said about him not "just making it go away". And the connection I made with God and peoples recovery stories I read was my own theory, (or common sense) which I believe is true so you and whoever else could have the same view on it. (But I guess not)

The implication behind this, of course, is that it is in God's power to inflict "bad" things - mental illness being but one example - and that He chooses to do so because that makes the end result somewhat "better", in His eyes.

Your contention that it's to make us "stronger" might stand up to reason were it not the case that He uses this supposed "power" to inflict irreversible harm; or at least fails to use his power to prevent it.

Does terminal cancer make people "stronger"? No.

Motor neurone disease? Don't count on it.

Fatal heart attacks? Not really.

Yes I opologize, I mean't certain bad things that can make us stronger that are not irreverisble or that have a chance of being or becoming irreverisible. He doesn't choose to let bad things happen, he allows them to. It's all for a good reason, whether if it's to make you stronger (being the outcome if the problem is reversible). Or if the problem may not be irreversible like your example of cancer, then that problem is among other further reasons that I can't answer. But in the end, it's for a good reason.

Now I'm not no expert priest or nothin', but I know the basics. If that doesn't atleast partially answer your questions, (which of course you still probably don't believe, understand etc.) then walk up in a church and ask them or somethin' rather than telling us what advice is right and wrong in relation to God.

BTW,
Lesson Learned: When preaching to skeptics you must use precise details and accuracy.

Im out. If theres another debate, I'll be back later.

 

[Guest]

Yes you will all get rid of this dp/dr as soon as you stop paying attention to the mind games & force yourself to concentrate on something else. slowly but surely it will happen. Don't ever give up.

 

[Monkeydust]

Thats what I meant when you said about him not "just making it go away". And the connection I made with God and peoples recovery stories I read was my own theory, (or common sense) which I believe is true so you and whoever else could have the same view on it. (But I guess not)

The fact remains that belief in God - in the sense that God will aid you directly - is a false hope. The sum total of evidence for prayer actually helping in recovery is next to zero.

The only use, as far as I'm concerned, in believing in God is in the sense that it may indirectly help you get better by, for example, giving you more perseverance, more belief, more will to succeed and so on.

That's where I stand.

Or if the problem may not be irreversible like your example of cancer, then that problem is among other further reasons that I can't answer. But in the end, it's for a good reason.

You know as well as I do that that argument does not stand up to reason.

Do you honestly think that God allows people, for instance, to die of bone cancer - one of the most slow and agonizing deaths possible - for a "good reason"?

To give an extreme example, it follows from your argument that God allowed for the Asian tsunami - an event causing the death of thousands and the intolerable suffering of a great many more - to occur for a "good reason" as well.

If such suffering and death is, as I'm sure your God would say, an intrinsically "bad" thing, how on (or in this case "off") earth can it be for a "good reason"?

Now I'm not no expert priest or nothin', but I know the basics. If that doesn't atleast partially answer your questions, (which of course you still probably don't believe, understand etc.) then walk up in a church and ask them or somethin' rather than telling us what advice is right and wrong in relation to God.

BTW,
Lesson Learned: When preaching to skeptics you must use precise details and accuracy.

Please don't patronize me. It doesn't help anyone.

I am not telling you what is "right" or "wrong" in relation to God. I am telling you what is rationally and logically coherent because I am trying to prove, with reasonable argument, that God either cannot or will not cure us of our mental health problems; though for some prayer may have its uses.

I am trying to argue this because, being a nice guy, I actually want people here to get better and I really don't like to see people going down "blind alleys" in trying to help themselves.

If you want to argue against me in whatever way you wish then be free to do so. But don't tell me to "go to a church and ask a priest". You know as well as I that that wouldn't help what I'm trying to do.

 

[maria]

I'm not sure. While this was caused by psychological issues, I'm positive now I'm here it's unfortunately completely physiological, which gives me less ways to recover. But I live in hope.