[mrboss2020]

Hey guys - I've been through two stages of DP/DR. Once in 2016 and once beginning of this year.

Feb 2016 had a severe panic attack that lead to bad DP/DR for about 1.5 years. Now I'm going through it again after taking steroids and suffering from really bad panic attacks/anxiety. The DP/DR I went through 2016 felt like I was in a bubble and viewing things through a bubble. Now it feels like I'm outside this bubble but I'm viewing people/life without experiencing life...almost as if everyone is just a robot.

What's helped me combat both of these time is from doing shrooms. Shrooms/acid/2cb helped me channel in my inner ego and bring it back out. tripping is stressful but that stress really tunes me into the world. It's helped me recover each time or get way better.

Has anyone else done the same?

 

[starshooter786]

If the drugs are helping you and u truly believe they are, continue at your own risk. I believe that drugs, especially psychedelic drugs mess u up. Once they enter your blood stream god knows how long it’ll stay and also you’re already experiencing psychological distress; my advice leave them alone.

 

[mrboss2020]

If the drugs are helping you and u truly believe they are, continue at your own risk. I believe that drugs, especially psychedelic drugs mess u up. Once they enter your blood stream god knows how long it’ll stay and also you’re already experiencing psychological distress; my advice leave them alone.

I've done them a lot. Each time I do them I emerge better and learn more about myself, the world and certain situations that have occurred in my life that I didn't understand at the moment but now I do after tripping.

Helps bring my senses to the world...but yes they can lead to anxiety/stress. It really depends on how vulnerable someone is.

 

[Trith]

I've done them a lot. Each time I do them I emerge better and learn more about myself, the world and certain situations that have occurred in my life that I didn't understand at the moment but now I do after tripping.

Helps bring my senses to the world...but yes they can lead to anxiety/stress. It really depends on how vulnerable someone is.

I don't like this concept of vulnerability very much. I feel it shifts the blame onto the person.
In general nobody thinks they are vulnerable until something happens to them. We already see it with weed.
Apparently psychedelics do help some people, but risks are risks and I think it makes no sense to shift them from the product to the person, since you need both to trip anyway.
Also bad reactions don't necessarily involve stress or anxiety.

 

[Aridity]

It's something I am looking into much, because I think it can process a lot of hidden pains within the soul etc. But you need good guidance and preparations.

 

[coolwhip27]

I've done them a lot. Each time I do them I emerge better and learn more about myself, the world and certain situations that have occurred in my life that I didn't understand at the moment but now I do after tripping.

Helps bring my senses to the world...but yes they can lead to anxiety/stress. It really depends on how vulnerable someone is.

It literally heightens your experience and therefore gives potential of exposing more deeper layers of yourself that are usually hidden. I smoke pot for this reason. It helps brings important things to the forefront of my mind more.

 

[coolwhip27]

It's something I am looking into much, because I think it can process a lot of hidden pains within the soul etc. But you need good guidance and preparations.

You can’t prepare for this tho. The parts of your consciousness that you want exposed can’t be seen as long as you think you need to prepare. It’s literally like diving, you don’t want to stop and pause to assess your situation as you’re plunging into water. When you dive, you better be diving

 

[Aridity]

You can’t prepare for this tho. The parts of your consciousness that you want exposed can’t be seen as long as you think you need to prepare. It’s literally like diving, you don’t want to stop and pause to assess your situation as you’re plunging into water. When you dive, you better be diving

Yeah you can't prepare for the experience as what will come up that will be totally unknown. But you can prepare mentally, and put yourself in the most ideal place possible before going into something like that.

 

[coolwhip27]

Yeah you can't prepare for the experience as what will come up that will be totally unknown. But you can prepare mentally, and put yourself in the most ideal place possible before going into something like that.

i don’t think you understand what I meant. Preparation is an attempt to alter the experience which already is and always will be happening, in the now. If I were to prepare myself mentally before I take drugs, what does that mean? Withdraw into myself in order to try be in a better state? I’m just saying I don’t think preparation is needed because there’s no real pause on life

 

[starshooter786]

I never tripped but I hear it’s fun

 

[Aridity]

i don’t think you understand what I meant. Preparation is an attempt to alter the experience which already is and always will be happening, in the now. If I were to prepare myself mentally before I take drugs, what does that mean? Withdraw into myself in order to try be in a better state? I’m just saying I don’t think preparation is needed because there’s no real pause on life

Sure bro, you can definitely make preparations instead do it totally random without any thought.

 

[dpdrhaver184]

If the drugs are helping you and u truly believe they are, continue at your own risk. I believe that drugs, especially psychedelic drugs mess u up. Once they enter your blood stream god knows how long it’ll stay and also you’re already experiencing psychological distress; my advice leave them alone.

Agree with the first sentence. It's unlikely for drugs to make DP/DR better, but if you're one of those lucky people then you do with them what you want.
I would point out that your "Blood stream" theory looks like a version of the rumor that "LSD gets stuck in the bloodstream and that's how flashbacks happen". This is wrong. Psychedelics can fuck you up mentally, but that's not how they do it.

 

[NoDevils]

Marijuana is one of the main triggers of chronic depersonalization. I'm not too familiar with psychedelics but they're riskier than marijuana.

 

[starshooter786]

Agree with the first sentence. It's unlikely for drugs to make DP/DR better, but if you're one of those lucky people then you do with them what you want.
I would point out that your "Blood stream" theory looks like a version of the rumor that "LSD gets stuck in the bloodstream and that's how flashbacks happen". This is wrong. Psychedelics can fuck you up mentally, but that's not how they do it.

How do they fuck u up?

 

[starshooter786]

How do they fuck u up?

Marijunna can last for weeks?

 

[NoDevils]

Marijunna can last for weeks?

Psychedelics can and often do permanently change the way your brain works. Look up HPPD I think it's called. If I'm not mistaken acid is one of the biggest causes of HPPD. We're on the verges of what's acceptable speech telling people to take these drugs as a depersonalization treatment. Marijuana can permanently affect your brain by triggering a panic, depersonalization, or psychosis. There's a kind of folksy political campaign to deny all the harmful effects of these drugs. Whether or not these drugs should be legal doesn't change what their effects on the body are. Be careful of nonsense.

The best argument I've heard for using them is kind of what Coolwhip is saying about how they can make you aware of a mental problem you're experiencing. For example if you're repressing PTSD symptoms, which is necessary to function with PTSD, marijuana can bring them out of you and make you confront what's on the periphery of your mind. Whether or not this is a good thing is subjective and debatable.

If you want to minimize the harm of a drug take a very careful dose and if it makes you feel very bad don't take it again. This isn't a surefire way to avoid harm because there are marijuana users who were totally happy with the drug and then one day had a terrible reaction. Some people are also unaware of gauging when they're going crazy, a la psychotic reaction to a drug.

 

[starshooter786]

Psychedelics can and often do permanently change the way your brain works. Look up HPPD I think it's called. If I'm not mistaken acid is one of the biggest causes of HPPD. We're on the verges of what's acceptable speech telling people to take these drugs as a depersonalization treatment. Marijuana can permanently affect your brain by triggering a panic, depersonalization, or psychosis. There's a kind of folksy political campaign to deny all the harmful effects of these drugs. Whether or not these drugs should be legal doesn't change what their effects on the body are. Be careful of nonsense.

The best argument I've heard for using them is kind of what Coolwhip is saying about how they can make you aware of a mental problem you're experiencing. For example if you're repressing PTSD symptoms, which is necessary to function with PTSD, marijuana can bring them out of you and make you confront what's on the periphery of your mind. Whether or not this is a good thing is subjective and debatable.

If you want to minimize the harm of a drug take a very careful dose and if it makes you feel very bad don't take it again. This isn't a surefire way to avoid harm because there are marijuana users who were totally happy with the drug and then one day had a terrible reaction. Some people are also unaware of gauging when they're going crazy, a la psychotic reaction to a drug.

Very interesting view on marijuana, psychedelics and psychology

 

[Trith]

Psychedelics can and often do permanently change the way your brain works. Look up HPPD I think it's called. If I'm not mistaken acid is one of the biggest causes of HPPD. We're on the verges of what's acceptable speech telling people to take these drugs as a depersonalization treatment. Marijuana can permanently affect your brain by triggering a panic, depersonalization, or psychosis. There's a kind of folksy political campaign to deny all the harmful effects of these drugs. Whether or not these drugs should be legal doesn't change what their effects on the body are. Be careful of nonsense.

The best argument I've heard for using them is kind of what Coolwhip is saying about how they can make you aware of a mental problem you're experiencing. For example if you're repressing PTSD symptoms, which is necessary to function with PTSD, marijuana can bring them out of you and make you confront what's on the periphery of your mind. Whether or not this is a good thing is subjective and debatable.

If you want to minimize the harm of a drug take a very careful dose and if it makes you feel very bad don't take it again. This isn't a surefire way to avoid harm because there are marijuana users who were totally happy with the drug and then one day had a terrible reaction. Some people are also unaware of gauging when they're going crazy, a la psychotic reaction to a drug.

It is also said that psychedelics affect the "default mode network" which is altered in different illnesses as well. And potential positive effects could be related to that, but as far as I know it is not clearly understood yet. Also some people claim that LSD could help by create more connections which would be a good thing. I guess it depends where they are created, because as far as I know, depression and pain also use neurons and connections. I guess, what matters more is if we can see empirically if the benefits outweight the risks, but I am not sure this is going to be tested soon for DPDR, but who knows.
And indeed, some people are very satisfied with their experiences even when it goes bad, even up until they have to go to a mental institution because they cannot take care of themselves anymore. There is the example of this guy, who probably consumed a lot (and also has very sh*tty friends).

 

[NoDevils]

It is also said that psychedelics affect the "default mode network" which is altered in different illnesses as well. And potential positive effects could be related to that, but as far as I know it is not clearly understood yet. Also some people claim that LSD could help by create more connections which would be a good thing. I guess it depends where they are created, because as far as I know, depression and pain also use neurons and connections. I guess, what matters more is if we can see empirically if the benefits outweight the risks, but I am not sure this is going to be tested soon for DPDR, but who knows.
And indeed, some people are very satisfied with their experiences even when it goes bad, even up until they have to go to a mental institution because they cannot take care of themselves anymore. There is the example of this guy, who probably consumed a lot (and also has very sh*tty friends).

Psychedelics seem to make people believe weird things. This definitely varies per individual, what psychedelic was consumed, and dose/frequency.