[Doberg]

I want to share an excerpt from a blog I came across, what do you guys think?

"PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP! WE KNOW THE SECRET! WE WANT TO HELP BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN THERE LIKE YOU AND SUFFERED THROUGH FRICKING HELL!!! After a year of searching for help for my 21 year old daughter we actually figured out the cure by accident! Please take this seriously because my daughter is doing very well now. She was so sad to read of your account.
We went to so many psychiatrists that I lost count and none of them helped so then we began to do research on our own. We learned a LOT about neurotransmitters. Here's the thing...everyone who is suffering from depersonalization is severely lacking in one or more neurotransmitters! Don't let ANY doctor tell you otherwise! Their knowledge is remarkably deficient in this area. I truly believe they are killing people every day by their stupidity and ignorance on this! I am not kidding! In her final days of dp before we figured out what would help, my daughter Dana was riding roller coasters for the adrenaline rush and cutting herself just so she could feel alive. Anyway, I digress. After considerable research on neurotransmitters we found out several things.
1) Most people with dp are deficient in dopamine and or adrenalin, even though they may suffer from panic attacks, it's the LACK of adrenalin that is part of the cause of them.
2) Some dp people are deficient in serotonin.
3) You can usually determine which is the problem by knowing which legal and illegal drugs u respond well to. If you do great on coffee, cigarettes, cocaine and rollercoasters. You probably have a dopamine/ adrenalin deficiency, especially if marijuana makes you more depersonalized or paranoid.

4) If you do great on marijuana you probably have a serotonin problem.

Doctors almost always give serotonin reuptake inhibitor antidepressants! This is a HUGE problem for people who need dopamine because it only makes them worse!

My daughter got an accidental clue at a party we were at one night at Halloween. A girl put some cocaine in her drink. Dana said it was her best night in years! She said she could actually see the food on the table and realize she was in the room. Later we went to our family doctor who is actually smart and told him about her problem and what happened. He laughed and told her that cocaine raises dopamine levels asked if we'd tried Wellbutrin. She said no, that she was afraid to try any more antidepressants because they were a disaster for her and made her feel suicidal. He told us that Wellbutrin works on dopamine and adrenalin so it would probably be a completely different experience. He tried her on the minimum dose and she immediately started to feel better. In fact she was so happy she cried. Then she gradually moved up in dosage until now she as at twice the normal dose because her dopamine levels were off the charts low. Anyway, she saw your letter and wanted me to write to you because she couldn't. Her computer has a virus. She wants you to NOT give up!! She is happy now for the first time in years. She wants you to know how bad she feels for you but that you CAN FEEL BETTER!!! You may have the same problem! Look into this and don't be intimidated by those doctors!!! Ask for what you want! Insist on it! Please write if you have any questions. And please let us know how you're doing! ~Theresa"

 

[sunshinita]

You can't seriously compare heroine to antidepressants.There is a huge difference.I also believe that chemical imbalance sometimes is the cause of anxiety,depression and dp symptoms.There may be more to is as well like trauma and other issues-which make the chemical imbalance easily reached. It's no surprise that some antidepressants like SSRIs don't work on everybody.They don't work for me either, but SNRI does because it affects my noradrenaline levels (not just serotonin). I can't see anything wrong with taking antidepressants to reach 'normality' again WHILE you are working on your main issues.It's hard to work on your real problem when you don't feel 'real'.

 

[sunshinita]

But it's hillarious how he thinks that his daughter was drugged 'by someone else accidentally' yeah right, she 'didn't' know she was taking drugs at the time!

 

[missjess]

You can't seriously compare heroine to antidepressants.There is a huge difference.I also believe that chemical imbalance sometimes is the cause of anxiety,depression and dp symptoms.There may be more to is as well like trauma and other issues-which make the chemical imbalance easily reached. It's no surprise that some antidepressants like SSRIs don't work on everybody.They don't work for me either, but SNRI does because it affects my noradrenaline levels (not just serotonin). I can't see anything wrong with taking antidepressants to reach 'normality' again WHILE you are working on your main issues.It's hard to work on your real problem when you don't feel 'real'.

Can u plz elaborate on SNRI I'm just simply curious how does it work for you?

 

[sunshinita]

I am not on SNRI now.I was last year when I had DP issues for the first time.It just took everything away-dp,anxiety,depression episodes,I was back to what I call 'normal' but I got off my meds once I felt normal which was a huge mistake.All I know about SNRIs is that they affect serotonin and norepinephrine ( noradrenaline) levels and I remember starting to feel better in the 3rd week and felt completely normal by the 3rd month.That was for me,it doesn't mean it will work on everybody,I read stories where people say that Effexor made them worse,it just wasn't them.As for WHY I am not taking it again at the moment is because I gain weight on antidepressants-it's the only reason.

 

[sunshinita]

But it doesn't do anything for self-steem and codependency issues.Don't get me wrong when I say normal I don't mean I was a person without any issues.I mean normal-like I felt before having DP for the first time. Self issues can't be cured with meds,only chemical imbalance and all the ucnomfortable scary feelings.

 

[missjess]

It's just interesting because I have never heard of any medication helping for dp, I used to take lexaoro a few years back when I had anxiety and yes it did help but I deff don't need that anymore.

U took Effexor that was horrible for me, when I was trying out anti depressants to find the right one the docs put me on 70mg of Effexor and I got seretonin syndrome it was really horrible, that was around the time u had severe anxiety going back 5 years ago

 

[sunshinita]

It's different for everybody,my dp is a symtom of severe anxiety and effexor took axniety away and little by little dp also disappeared because my anxiety was causing it.How do you know when you have a serotonin syndrome,what are the symptoms? I am asking because now I am taking 5htp and some herb but a naturopath gave me one more supplement and I started having horrible panic attacks again,can it be too much serotonin?

 

[Andre]

I think it's stupidity. When you see your beautiful girl, and you feel love, that warm feeling, your brain actually releases chemicals that make you feel that way.

But if you feel bad, the sane solution is not to put those chemicals into your body artifically. That's what you call DRUG use.

Heroin or alcohol users choose to use those chemicals to get a feeling from the drug they can't get from their life. This is what you call addiction.

Do heroin users feel good? Absolutely. Will it ruin their lives and body? Absolutely. Are they living in reality? No.

People who try to medicate themselves out of "depression", anxiety, DP are exactly the same. It's everyone's own choice.

Ok, but what if the drug gradually re-balances the chemicals permanently? Isnt it an actual cure?

 

[L.Z.]

Maybe dear Fearless, people have life issues cause they suffered from that chemical in-balance

 

[sunshinita]

I don't agree that everybody who took antidepressants came back to square one when they stopped them.If they were taking it long enough (2-3 years at least) it can fix you chemical imbalance not just while you are taking them. I know people who are off medication and 10 years later they are just fine.I was on Effexor only for 8-9 months.You should continue taking your meds at least 6 months after you feel better,I didn't do that,silly me and here I am again.

 

[Andre]

It's different for everybody,my dp is a symtom of severe anxiety and effexor took axniety away and little by little dp also disappeared because my anxiety was causing it.How do you know when you have a serotonin syndrome,what are the symptoms? I am asking because now I am taking 5htp and some herb but a naturopath gave me one more supplement and I started having horrible panic attacks again,can it be too much serotonin?

I think I may have this serotonin syndrome also. Coffe and stimulants in general make me more anxious and increase my dp consequently. When I drink whisky (not other drinks, only whisky) I use to 'recover' for a while, like the cocaine thing... so this may suggest I have that serotonin issue, dont know for sure...

 

[sunshinita]

Of course I am back to square one and I think I gave a good reason for that. And another thing:when someone blames themself for something ( because everybody does at some point at their life ) doesn't mean that they are messed up mentally because of that.You see a little problem and you make it a big one.I blame myself because I didn't listen to my doctor who new better.That doesn't make me a person with guilt issues.I have other issues like everybody else but, trust me, I don't have guilt issues just because I did something stupid and I regret it. You see a problem everywhere where there is no one.If I follow your logic every person on that planet should have DP because everybody have issues.And you ignored the fact that there are a lot of people doing just fine after quitting their medication-of course you will because it doesn't match your logic.

 

[cruisinthrulife89]

how did your daughter develop her condition in the first place.

 

[Guest]

The fact is our brains function entirely on chemical reactions, this means that everything we think feel and do is going to be reflected by changes in those chemicals. It's entirely possible that if your depressed to force your chemicals back into a non-depressed state, but that doesn't mean the depression was caused purely by an imbalance. A person who's depressed by an imbalance and person who's depressed do to personnel issues can have the same alterations in their brain chemistry and can both be helped by the same medication, but if the underlying issues is never addressed then the depression will come back over and over again for the second person.

The biggest mistake that anyone can make is having good results with a medication and then assuming their issues were the result of a spontaneous imbalance.

 

[sunshinita]

I agree with Antimony.Of course there is something causing this imbalance in the first place.All I want to tell is that there is nothing wrong with taking medication while working on the main issue,because when you feel okey it will be easier to work on yourself.When you are in panic it is harder.That's all.

 

[philandrjack]

Did it fix in your case? No. You're back at square one, and you are blaming yourself for quitting too soon. Convincing.

Just dropped my 2cents, have a good discussion guys.

Fearless, do the concentrational and cognitive difficulties you have in DP go away once you recover by facing your true psychological issue? Pls respond it is important for me to know.

 

[philandrjack]

Yes but I don't really like how you composed the question. I mean, it shows that you don't have realistic ideas about how it works. Concentrational problem is not something you "have", but something you do. Lot of cognitive distortions are results of adaptations to your childhood environment.

You need to dig deep in order to realize where your habits are rooting. We're talking about your thinking habits which will eventually make you "have" concentration problems.

Concentration problem is like this: you tell yourself "Hey lets focus on a movie, but hey maybe its not a good idea because I'm mad because I feel this sensation but no stop it let's focus on this movie but hey I loved movies before why I don't do know oh I know because I have this problem what problem that DP but hey Fearless said its something I do so stop it and lets focus on that movie again Jesus what do I do again Im really mad but no they say Im not mad whats happening to me I can't even focus on a movie ami schizo etc etc etc etc..."

And this is fueled by your feelings, and emotional reasoning (when you create WRONG connections between emotions and thoughts).

Something like this happens in you when you feel like you have "concentration problems". But since DP personalities are FAAAAAAST thinkers, you're not really aware of this in details, only just your "mind going fast".

You think quicker than what you can handle.

You heal this by integrating everything you do and feel. Because right now, you DENY that you do this kind of thinking.

Thank you. This is 100% true.

 

[AlexFromPT]

Yes but I don't really like how you composed the question. I mean, it shows that you don't have realistic ideas about how it works. Concentrational problem is not something you "have", but something you do. Lot of cognitive distortions are results of adaptations to your childhood environment.

You need to dig deep in order to realize where your habits are rooting. We're talking about your thinking habits which will eventually make you "have" concentration problems.

Concentration problem is like this: you tell yourself "Hey lets focus on a movie, but hey maybe its not a good idea because I'm mad because I feel this sensation but no stop it let's focus on this movie but hey I loved movies before why I don't do know oh I know because I have this problem what problem that DP but hey Fearless said its something I do so stop it and lets focus on that movie again Jesus what do I do again Im really mad but no they say Im not mad whats happening to me I can't even focus on a movie ami schizo etc etc etc etc..."

And this is fueled by your feelings, and emotional reasoning (when you create WRONG connections between emotions and thoughts).

Something like this happens in you when you feel like you have "concentration problems". But since DP personalities are FAAAAAAST thinkers, you're not really aware of this in details, only just your "mind going fast".
You think quicker than what you can handle.

You heal this by integrating everything you do and feel. Because right now, you DENY that you do this kind of thinking.

Amazing.

 

[golfvr6]

FEARLESS IS CORRECT.

MY VACATION FROM LIFE ON HEAVY DOSES OF MEDICATION HAVE PUT ME BACK 10 STEPS.

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INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS I HAD IN MY LIFE, I JUMPED ON THE MEDICATION WAGON LIKE EVERYONE.

NOW I TRYING TO TO FIX THE SHIT I BROKE ON MEDS.

WHEN I BECAME DEPRESSED, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN OF ACTION, LIKE EXERCISE, NEW CAREER ETC I MEDICATED.

INSTEAD OF FACING LIFE PROBLEMS, AND TRYING TO FIX THE SHIT WHICH WAS WRONG. I MEDICATED

NOW I AM BACK TO SQUARE ONE OFF MEDS TRYING TO FIX THE SHIT I RUN AWAY FROM JUMPING ON MEDS.

I HAVE TAKE 10 STEPS BACKWARDS FROM BEFORE I WENT ON MEDS.

MEDICATION IS A VACATION AWAY FROM REAL LIFE ISSUES.

YES, THEY HELP, BUT ITS FALSE, IT FAKE, ITS A CAGE AROUND YOU.

THE TRUTH LIES IN FIXING PROBLEMS. RATHER THAN RUNNING AWAY.

THANK YOU MEDICATION

NOT!!!