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Hello everyone my name is lavelle ill start of by telling you guys how i got it i was fifteen and i got into smoking weed and was hiding it from my parents up untill the day my dad found out then my started getting me weed from the dispensaries because he didint want me to get it on the streets so one day i wanted to try an edible so i asked him and he went and got it for me and it was a brownie right when he got it for me i was so excited to try it because ive never tried a edible before and was hoping to get stoned and enjoy my experience so i broke of a piece and ate it and i waited like 30 minutes and i didint feel anything so i ate some more of the brownie this was a big mistake i took it later in the day so it was starting to get dark out and my dad put on a movie halfway through the movie things started to get weird i started to feel like i was in the movie and started feeling very drowsy but not in a good way i wasint feeling so good so i decided to cut the movie short and go to sleep but the sleep didint help when i woke up i still felt very wierd but i thought it would go away quick so i continued to smoke with my friends and one day i decided to sneak into my brothers roomates room and steal his edible he had and me and my friend split it my friend went home and i started tripping balls i remeber calling my dad asking him to come and pick me up from my moms because i felt like i was dying and i black out in his car and when i woke up i was on his couch this is when the dpdr started i started to feel out of my body 247 and really paranoid even when i didn't smoke and racing thoughts and a whole bunch of other symptoms its been like 7 years im 23 now and i still feel it i dont really know if its gotten better i just feel numb and like im becoming numb to the dpdr ive been to mental hospitals ad tried all different types of meds any advice would help and encouraging words would be great thanks guys.
 

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I still smoke even though I have dp. But should we be labeling our experience as that? Should we be calling it disassociating, which implies something has been disconnected? Disconnected implies something we don’t have and want back. But is that the right outlook? No. Fuck it. Don’t put any effort into fixing whatever you’d like to call it. Fix real things. Fix your own confusion and sorrows in life
 

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Hello everyone my name is lavelle ill start of by telling you guys how i got it i was fifteen and i got into smoking weed and was hiding it from my parents up untill the day my dad found out then my started getting me weed from the dispensaries because he didint want me to get it on the streets so one day i wanted to try an edible so i asked him and he went and got it for me and it was a brownie right when he got it for me i was so excited to try it because ive never tried a edible before and was hoping to get stoned and enjoy my experience so i broke of a piece and ate it and i waited like 30 minutes and i didint feel anything so i ate some more of the brownie this was a big mistake i took it later in the day so it was starting to get dark out and my dad put on a movie halfway through the movie things started to get weird i started to feel like i was in the movie and started feeling very drowsy but not in a good way i wasint feeling so good so i decided to cut the movie short and go to sleep but the sleep didint help when i woke up i still felt very wierd but i thought it would go away quick so i continued to smoke with my friends and one day i decided to sneak into my brothers roomates room and steal his edible he had and me and my friend split it my friend went home and i started tripping balls i remeber calling my dad asking him to come and pick me up from my moms because i felt like i was dying and i black out in his car and when i woke up i was on his couch this is when the dpdr started i started to feel out of my body 247 and really paranoid even when i didn't smoke and racing thoughts and a whole bunch of other symptoms its been like 7 years im 23 now and i still feel it i dont really know if its gotten better i just feel numb and like im becoming numb to the dpdr ive been to mental hospitals ad tried all different types of meds any advice would help and encouraging words would be great thanks guys.
I have to say...this is different than my experience. Marijuana is not likely to cause mental illness and in fact helps me tremendously. It helps reconnect me to my body and makes me feel less anxious. My guess is that from the get go, you were self medicating for symptoms you didn't really understand or were not aware of because at such a young age, reality and identity are naturally more fluid.
 

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I still smoke even though I have dp. But should we be labeling our experience as that? Should we be calling it disassociating, which implies something has been disconnected? Disconnected implies something we don’t have and want back. But is that the right outlook? No. Fuck it. Don’t put any effort into fixing whatever you’d like to call it. Fix real things. Fix your own confusion and sorrows in life
Be careful. I know where these things come from, these teachings can be good for some things, or when looked at from a certain angle, but they can also be used to manipulate. I've been in a buddhist cult for some years and this kind of "non-duality" stuff was used to deconstruct what they didn't like (like criticism) and make their teachings more "mysterious" than they really were. The other kind of trap is that it can be used by yourself to deconstruct everything you don't like either and validate your own experiences. It can just be yet an other ego trap, people think they are deconstructing something but they are just building their own ego under a new name. Somehow we always apply this non-duality thing where it suits us, and then we believe we know everthing better than others because we have special experiences, "if only they mediated like us, or read this or that...". Really, I don't think it is that powerful. I have been there very intensely for 6 years and read many things as well, with the proselytism and everything.
 

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Be careful. I know where these things come from, these teachings can be good for some things, or when looked at from a certain angle, but they can also be used to manipulate. I've been in a buddhist cult for some years and this kind of "non-duality" stuff was used to deconstruct what they didn't like (like criticism) and make their teachings more "mysterious" than they really were. The other kind of trap is that it can be used by yourself to deconstruct everything you don't like either and validate your own experiences. It can just be yet an other ego trap, people think they are deconstructing something but they are just building their own ego under a new name. Somehow we always apply this non-duality thing where it suits us, and then we believe we know everthing better than others because we have special experiences, "if only they mediated like us, or read this or that...". Really, I don't think it is that powerful. I have been there very intensely for 6 years and read many things as well, with the proselytism and everything.
Well it’s a good thing then that I’m not here trying to convert anybody to anything isn’t it? Because what I said had nothing to do with Buddhism, non duality, or cult-like mentalities. I think what would be dangerous is if someone believes there is something so wrong with them (disassociation) that they go into a state of withdrawal from life in order to spend countless time researching and trying to figure out what other people have said about medicines and methods to fix what they think is wrong. Everybody has to be a light to themselves, or else they have no light at all. That in of itself is an idea which can be remembered. But if you watch whats happening inside yourself in real-time, then it’s a fact
 

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Be careful. I know where these things come from, these teachings can be good for some things, or when looked at from a certain angle, but they can also be used to manipulate. I've been in a buddhist cult for some years and this kind of "non-duality" stuff was used to deconstruct what they didn't like (like criticism) and make their teachings more "mysterious" than they really were. The other kind of trap is that it can be used by yourself to deconstruct everything you don't like either and validate your own experiences. It can just be yet an other ego trap, people think they are deconstructing something but they are just building their own ego under a new name. Somehow we always apply this non-duality thing where it suits us, and then we believe we know everthing better than others because we have special experiences, "if only they mediated like us, or read this or that...". Really, I don't think it is that powerful. I have been there very intensely for 6 years and read many things as well, with the proselytism and everything.
And also, i am not sure you are making any real sense when talking about non-duality. You are discarding it as a concept? Because non-duality as a concept can be used to manipulate people? I don’t think “non-duality” itself, which carries the meaning that it does, has anything to do with manipulation. Because, couldn’t you say the same thing about duality too? Like all the religions with gods and saviors who they tell us we should all be dependent on? So what weight does your opinion about an idea carry? All I see is somebody making a very subjective observation and generalization about an idea, which is based on their past experiences
 

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And also, i am not sure you are making any real sense when talking about non-duality. You are discarding it as a concept? Because non-duality as a concept can be used to manipulate people? I don’t think “non-duality” itself, which carries the meaning that it does, has anything to do with manipulation. Because, couldn’t you say the same thing about duality too? Like all the religions with gods and saviors who they tell us we should all be dependent on? So what weight does your opinion about an idea carry? All I see is somebody making a very subjective observation and generalization about an idea, which is based on their past experiences
The idea of non-duality as it is usually presented is used as a tool to deconstruct things. It is used to question feelings of identification with some things and separation with other things. It can be a good thing to study these things, but it can also be used to undermine criticism. Like if someone says "I don't like that the guru does this or that", then people will say "this is your ego defending itself". Trying to make one with the guru is literally part of the buddhist teachings and part of the practice of guru yoga in tibetan buddhism. Making one with the guru is equated with dropping resistance and dropping criticism. This is part of the "samaya" vow, for example, vowing to never criticize the guru or the teachings.
In the cult where I was, non-duality was used to undermine the concept of right and wrong, and being beyond right and wrong was regarded as a very enlightened quality. At the level I was it was still quite mild, but at a higher level, in different circles it had been used to condone physical violence from the guru, like punching people, kicking them while they were on the ground, torturing animals. There were several testimonies from different people, and the current guru had to leave the country but still has followers. I have met people who told me they received punches to the face from the previous guru and took it as a sign of "compassionate anger" meant to help them on the way to enlightenment.
The followers who stayed there are mainly separated into two categories. Those who didn't experience the manipulation first hand during their first years, and don't belive the acts of violence were possible, or that they were just mistakes because there are totally incompatible with their nice experience during their first years in the organisation. And there is the group of those who think they are advanced enough that they can see the enlightenment through these acts. The problem with the second group is that whatever criticism they receive, they think that those who criticize simply don't have the same realization as them and this is why they don't understand the teachings "properly" like them. This is why it's a trap, because each person makes their own version of what the path of enlightenment is, and obviously it's where they are and not others, and they use this just to validate their own position even more.
You could think it's an isolated cult, but take one guru like Sogyal Rinpoche, he was seen punching a nun in the stomach during a public representation, later women accused him of sexual assault, in a close circle he was beating people, shouting at them, making women wipe his ass (I mean literally). You could think anybody with common sense would regard him as a fraud, and yet after his death he was incensed by other very famous official masters for being very enlightened. To me this is one possible result of that kind of deconstruction when it is used to manipulate.
In the cult where I was, the most serious signs of manipulation I started to notice was when they asked us to meditate on our resistance against what the guru could be saying or doing (that was before the testimonies about him came out and most people were not yet aware of what he was doing). They made us meditate on our criticism and resistance, just to make it evaporate, to dissolve it as we usually do when we meditate. A lot of people didn't see any problem with that because they had already been regarding anger as something only negative that impedes proper judgement. But when their anger was gone they dropped the criticism and they followed him. If the answer to a question bothers you, just deconstruct the question itself on the ground it is made of concepts and is based on duality.
I don't think buddhism and meditation are equated with manipulation, but it is a very good toolbox for those who want to manipulate others or themselves. Also the fact that the buddhist concepts are often blurry helps to defend them as people often slightly adjust the definition to their needs and to the context and regard others are not advanced enough on the path if they disagree with that definition.
 

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The idea of non-duality as it is usually presented is used as a tool to deconstruct things. It is used to question feelings of identification with some things and separation with other things. It can be a good thing to study these things, but it can also be used to undermine criticism. Like if someone says "I don't like that the guru does this or that", then people will say "this is your ego defending itself". Trying to make one with the guru is literally part of the buddhist teachings and part of the practice of guru yoga in tibetan buddhism. Making one with the guru is equated with dropping resistance and dropping criticism. This is part of the "samaya" vow, for example, vowing to never criticize the guru or the teachings.
In the cult where I was, non-duality was used to undermine the concept of right and wrong, and being beyond right and wrong was regarded as a very enlightened quality. At the level I was it was still quite mild, but at a higher level, in different circles it had been used to condone physical violence from the guru, like punching people, kicking them while they were on the ground, torturing animals. There were several testimonies from different people, and the current guru had to leave the country but still has followers. I have met people who told me they received punches to the face from the previous guru and took it as a sign of "compassionate anger" meant to help them on the way to enlightenment.
The followers who stayed there are mainly separated into two categories. Those who didn't experience the manipulation first hand during their first years, and don't belive the acts of violence were possible, or that they were just mistakes because there are totally incompatible with their nice experience during their first years in the organisation. And there is the group of those who think they are advanced enough that they can see the enlightenment through these acts. The problem with the second group is that whatever criticism they receive, they think that those who criticize simply don't have the same realization as them and this is why they don't understand the teachings "properly" like them. This is why it's a trap, because each person makes their own version of what the path of enlightenment is, and obviously it's where they are and not others, and they use this just to validate their own position even more.
You could think it's an isolated cult, but take one guru like Sogyal Rinpoche, he was seen punching a nun in the stomach during a public representation, later women accused him of sexual assault, in a close circle he was beating people, shouting at them, making women wipe his ass (I mean literally). You could think anybody with common sense would regard him as a fraud, and yet after his death he was incensed by other very famous official masters for being very enlightened. To me this is one possible result of that kind of deconstruction when it is used to manipulate.
In the cult where I was, the most serious signs of manipulation I started to notice was when they asked us to meditate on our resistance against what the guru could be saying or doing (that was before the testimonies about him came out and most people were not yet aware of what he was doing). They made us meditate on our criticism and resistance, just to make it evaporate, to dissolve it as we usually do when we meditate. A lot of people didn't see any problem with that because they had already been regarding anger as something only negative that impedes proper judgement. But when their anger was gone they dropped the criticism and they followed him. If the answer to a question bothers you, just deconstruct the question itself on the ground it is made of concepts and is based on duality.
I don't think buddhism and meditation are equated with manipulation, but it is a very good toolbox for those who want to manipulate others or themselves. Also the fact that the buddhist concepts are often blurry helps to defend them as people often slightly adjust the definition to their needs and to the context and regard others are not advanced enough on the path if they disagree with that definition.
Those cultists sound stupid and confused of course. But any idea used on the grounds of organizing truth (like religion does) is manipulative. Your experience says a lot more about Buddhism then it does anything else. As far as ideas like non-duality being used to “deconstruct” things to your own personal liking, I’m not convinced that it’s exclusive to non-duality. Because there have been a lot of what you described, all over the place.
 

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Hello. You are absolutely right about your experience with marijuana. Do not listen to these ideological idiots. You should significantly reduce or eliminate your consumption of marijuana seeing as you are one of the people who reacts poorly to it.
Why? because you say so? What data do you have to support your conclusions? Or are they based on propaganda, fear based and meant to control you? I can name MANY scinetific studies with documented data to support that physiological fact that marijuana is a medicine. In fact, psylocibin has been legalized for medical use.
You don't have to listen to me or anybody else but beware triose who cannot support their loudly shouted claims.
 

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Those cultists sound stupid and confused of course. But any idea used on the grounds of organizing truth (like religion does) is manipulative. Your experience says a lot more about Buddhism then it does anything else. As far as ideas like non-duality being used to “deconstruct” things to your own personal liking, I’m not convinced that it’s exclusive to non-duality. Because there have been a lot of what you described, all over the place.
Buddhism is not a religion. Any bone who says it is a religion is clueless.
 

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So, another odd claim without any explanation. How mysterious Buddhism must be. To have both a belief system and followers, while simultaneously not being a religion. Even though Buddhism being a religion is a fact. Lol
Lord Buddha is a term of respect. There is no deity in Buddhism. Buddhism is a school of philosophy and life.
Technically it would be agnosticism
But it is a school of successful behavior
 

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Lord Buddha is a term of respect. There is no deity in Buddhism. Buddhism is a school of philosophy and life.
Technically it would be agnosticism
But it is a school of successful behavior
Your analogy is idiotic. Every craze has followers. Even a dance craze.
Perhaps if you used actual information and not your own uneducated deductions, the segue would manifest
 

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Your analogy is idiotic. Every craze has followers. Even a dance craze.
Perhaps if you used actual information and not your own uneducated deductions, the segue would manifest
And are dancers at the dance craze all gathering around to dance so they can believe the same things about the world, study their sacred books and follow a specific way of life? No. So, your analogy is very very dumb. At an insulting level of dumb.

It doesn’t really matter what you heard someone else call buddhism sweetheart. School of life, the way or the truth, it’s a religion. Another attempt at organizing truth. And do you see how many religions state the same narrative as that? That which puts in on a higher level than the word “religion”? Yeah, that’s what religions do. Duh
 

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I have to say...this is different than my experience. Marijuana is not likely to cause mental illness and in fact helps me tremendously. It helps reconnect me to my body and makes me feel less anxious. My guess is that from the get go, you were self medicating for symptoms you didn't really understand or were not aware of because at such a young age, reality and identity are naturally more fluid.
So you think I need to deal with those issues first in order to heal?
 

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And are dancers at the dance craze all gathering around to dance so they can believe the same things about the world, study their sacred books and follow a specific way of life? No. So, your analogy is very very dumb. At an insulting level of dumb.

It doesn’t really matter what you heard someone else call buddhism sweetheart. School of life, the way or the truth, it’s a religion. Another attempt at organizing truth. And do you see how many religions state the same narrative as that? That which puts in on a higher level than the word “religion”? Yeah, that’s what religions do. Duh
A. I am not and never will be your sweetheart. You're not my type. I am sapiosexual. You're just don't qualify.
B. My information comes from studies in theosophy and philosophy
Would you like case studies and references?
You see, I will not try to make you feel denominated by calling you sweetheart. There is no need.
You are powerless and blustering and embarrassing yourself
 

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A. I am not and never will be your sweetheart. You're not my type. I am sapiosexual. You're just don't qualify.
B. My information comes from studies in theosophy and philosophy
Would you like case studies and references?
You see, I will not try to make you feel denominated by calling you sweetheart. There is no need.
You are powerless and blustering and embarrassing yourself
A. I don’t really give a shit.
B. Your opinions aren’t facts. You can shove your credentials.
You’ve already shown yourself to be quite the irrational blubberer by attempting to attack me with nonsense. Either respond respectfully, or get lost
 

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So you think I need to deal with those issues first in order to heal?
I think you need to find your core. The middle where you are really you. Then
Take one step
It almost doesn't matter what it is. You will make mistakes. You will fall down.
Get back up.
Ever watch the amazing race? How they POWER on for the money?
We power on for survival.
But if you just look at where you ARE
Which is better than before
Then you can take one more step
Then one more
Take it from some one who was in 5 point restraints for 48 hours once
It will pass
Stay strong
Then
Take one more step.
You can do this.
I know you can.
 

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A. I don’t really give a shit.
B. Your opinions aren’t facts. You can shove your credentials.
You’ve already shown yourself to be quite the irrational blubberer by attempting to attack me with nonsense. Either respond respectfully, or get lost
Sigh.
I rest my case.
En re irrational: read your last entry.
I would laugh at you but that would be unkind
Oh right
I do not c a r e
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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