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Hi I don’t know if this indicates that my condition is less severe because with the derealized feelings I’ve never had a panic attack nor have I developed severe phobia, and never had existential thoughts. I have had increased anxiety and fear but I can maintain a calm mood most of the time and can function at work and with friends. Can anyone relate to this?
 

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Controversial comment..but i'll tell you how i see it. My 2 cent.

When I was younger I had on off DP sometimes, had no name for it, didn't let it bother me and it wasn't constant, so it wasn't a problem, over some period of time my light anxiety that wasn't constant must have gone anyway enough to not experience it again for 10+ years. Never thought about it again. A major stress triggered Chronic (for now) DP and it was totally different, so different the similarities are small. This sounds like what you have, passing anxiety.

People forget that DP is normal, everyone has DP moments, especially in times of anxiety/stressful periods etc.

At least everyone i've ever explained it to goes 'oh yeah i had that when...' it's part of fight or flight, the best one if you want to explain a mild version is driving say a long distance, you get out of the car and you don't remember driving there, you were focused, but bored and dissociated, or sometimes a hangover use to do it to me, again at that stage didn't have a name for it and felt totally different.

Most people are here because it isn't in a passing moment or mild, for now it is stuck on the 'on' position, like a constant thing and comes with feeling totally emotionally numb and blocked off, trust me, you'd know this. What is calm for me now is just a blank slate of emptiness.

My advice if you don't have panic attacks, constant anxiety, no emotions, no thoughts/racing thoughts and you don't have DP 24/7, then literally do nothing, forget about it, it will fade as your anxiety does. The reason people and rightly so get so wound up with this advice from someone who had the disorder for 2 months and comes back with this advice is because they are explaining what I had 10 years ago.. which sounds like you, slightly anxious but not stuck in DP. The two are completely different worlds, Chalk and Cheese, but most will never experience both, so I just bite my tongue, it's never 'bad' advice, just chronic DP is not mild, doesn't mean it's not curable, but you'd sure know the difference for reasons listed above. I hope this reassures you
 

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I divide dp and dr. (for me, anyway) DP was feelings. DR was change in physical perceptions. DP was numbness,lack of libido dead emotions and existential depression and DR was mis perception of my mirror image and body, visual framing

and ocular migraines.

If you have not experienced agoraphobia or panic attacks, racing thoughts and/or intrusive thoughts, I would say it certainly indicates that your condition is less severe than was mine. Don't be jealous. lol
 

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I appreciate the detailed replies. I don’t mean to come off in a bad way either I am just pretty fearful. I don’t have existential thoughts but the disconnect from the outside world is constant and hasn’t let up. I haven’t had any loss of libido although my emotional response is somewhat dulled. Never been diagnosed with any sort of anxiety disorder before but Im interested in getting the opinion of a psychiatrist. Thanks guys!
 

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I had a lot more success in bracketing and defining my illness through my own reading and research. I wish I could say that mental health professionals were a significant asset in diagnosing and treating my illness. The opposite is true. No psychologist or psychiatrist ever thought it appropriate to refer me for an MRI or EEG.

I was treated by psychiatry for over 20 years without an accurate diagnosis. It almost cost me my life. I identified my illness through my own research, and then I ordered the MRI and EEG which verified my self diagnosis. Its not that hard to recognize ones unique symptoms from case histories in a medical journal.

You know what they say about opinions? It is doubly true for psychiatrists from my experience.
 

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Controversial comment..but i'll tell you how i see it. My 2 cent.

When I was younger I had on off DP sometimes, had no name for it, didn't let it bother me and it wasn't constant, so it wasn't a problem, over some period of time my light anxiety that wasn't constant must have gone anyway enough to not experience it again for 10+ years. Never thought about it again. A major stress triggered Chronic (for now) DP and it was totally different, so different the similarities are small. This sounds like what you have, passing anxiety.

People forget that DP is normal, everyone has DP moments, especially in times of anxiety/stressful periods etc.
At least everyone i've ever explained it to goes 'oh yeah i had that when...' it's part of fight or flight, the best one if you want to explain a mild version is driving say a long distance, you get out of the car and you don't remember driving there, you were focused, but bored and dissociated, or sometimes a hangover use to do it to me, again at that stage didn't have a name for it and felt totally different.

Most people are here because it isn't in a passing moment or mild, for now it is stuck on the 'on' position, like a constant thing and comes with feeling totally emotionally numb and blocked off, trust me, you'd know this. What is calm for me now is just a blank slate of emptiness.

My advice if you don't have panic attacks, constant anxiety, no emotions, no thoughts/racing thoughts and you don't have DP 24/7, then literally do nothing, forget about it, it will fade as your anxiety does. The reason people and rightly so get so wound up with this advice from someone who had the disorder for 2 months and comes back with this advice is because they are explaining what I had 10 years ago.. which sounds like you, slightly anxious but not stuck in DP. The two are completely different worlds, Chalk and Cheese, but most will never experience both, so I just bite my tongue, it's never 'bad' advice, just chronic DP is not mild, doesn't mean it's not curable, but you'd sure know the difference for reasons listed above. I hope this reassures you
I'm curious about a few things. My physical anxiety at the beginning was through the roof however it has faded and comes less often but my fear is always there. I wouldn't say I'm completely numb but I am disconnected from the rest of the world. I guess this is mainly just derealization because I feel mostly like myself however I just feel one step removed from everything else and my time perception is fucked. insomnia is bad sometimes. I guess I'm just rambling but I'm not too sure what I'm even experiencing.
 

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Least it's fading, none of this changes over night for anyone.

I'm not saying you aren't experiencing some DP/DR symptoms, i think you are, but your anxiety seems to be lowering, you aren't completely numb and just a few symptoms that many of my friends who never had chronic DP have had for periods of their lives, one felt like that for six months after a break up for instance and he doesn't relate to the disorder really it was just high anxiety, like what i had the first time. As i said above, this time i'm totally blank/numb like 100% talking about DP doesn't make me anxious as it's really not on my mind, this is like checking in on Facebook, the anxiety of the situation has long past.

I'd try this http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?/topic/20892-the-holy-grail-of-curing-dpdr/ before i'd get medication, but it depends on how you feel,

do you notice good periods with less anxiety = less DP?

how long have you had / felt off?

I can relate to insomnia adrenaline can keep you up for days, the time perception thing is scary, but again if your adrenaline is high time isn't gonna be linear, I actually have some type of other disorder (CNS) or the like causing 'hyper arousal', not sleeping for days, but again you'd know all about it if you had that, it's like an extreme version of 'wired' where you never feel tired.

I guess if you really want you could use the Cambridge Scale. This is the scale I use below, it's the Cambridge scale with a question took out that I never had, so i just changed it slightly..

I've kept my score in.

  1. 40% - Cut of from the world
  2. 0% - Things look flat
  3. 0% - Feel like body doesn't belong to me
  4. 35% - Observer of myself
  5. 0% - Body feels light
  6. 90% - No Emotions
  7. 20% - Voice sounds remote (sometimes 0)
  8. 100% - No thoughts
  9. 0% - Hands look larger or smaller than they did
  10. 0% - Surroundings feel detached
  11. 80% - Time perception (sometimes 30)
  12. 50% - Detached from memories
  13. 50% - Feelings of affection friends and family
  14. 0% - Objects look further or closer than before
  15. 0% - Pencil feels like not mine when holding it
  16. 100% - Can't picture things in my mind
  17. 0% - Doesn't feel like my own arm when pinch it
  18. 20% Feeling outside body
  19. 0% - Things happen automatically
  20. 0% - Thoughts have a life of their own
  21. 0% - I have to touch myself to know I am real
585/2100 (then x10)
515/2100 (better day)

= 28%
= 24%

For my DP i've gone from a 90% on the scale to average around 25% and most are Major Depressive Disorder symptoms, although still feel in constant DP but i think that's as much feeling no emotions. About to start an AD (Effexor) hopefully will knock that out of the park. Sorry i keep answering your questions with my experience, it's kinda the easiest way, i've talked to many on this forum and read a lot but you only truly know what you experience. Hopefully you can use some of the information to figure where you stand.

EDIT: found it the scale for you, it has 22 questions, so just use the way i've filled it in, get the score divide it by 2200 x 10 https://www.docdroid.net/zIAJlG7/cds-state.pdf#page=3
 

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Least it's fading, none of this changes over night for anyone.

I'm not saying you aren't experiencing some DP/DR symptoms, i think you are, but your anxiety seems to be lowering, you aren't completely numb and just a few symptoms that many of my friends who never had chronic DP have had for periods of their lives, one felt like that for six months after a break up for instance and he doesn't relate to the disorder really it was just high anxiety, like what i had the first time. As i said above, this time i'm totally blank/numb like 100% talking about DP doesn't make me anxious as it's really not on my mind, this is like checking in on Facebook, the anxiety of the situation has long past.

I'd try this http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?/topic/20892-the-holy-grail-of-curing-dpdr/ before i'd get medication, but it depends on how you feel,
do you notice good periods with less anxiety = less DP?
how long have you had / felt off?

I can relate to insomnia adrenaline can keep you up for days, the time perception thing is scary, but again if your adrenaline is high time isn't gonna be linear, I actually have some type of other disorder (CNS) or the like causing 'hyper arousal', not sleeping for days, but again you'd know all about it if you had that, it's like an extreme version of 'wired' where you never feel tired.

I guess if you really want you could use the Cambridge Scale. This is the scale I use below, it's the Cambridge scale with a question took out that I never had, so i just changed it slightly..

I've kept my score in.

  • 40% - Cut of from the world
  • 0% - Things look flat
  • 0% - Feel like body doesn't belong to me
  • 35% - Observer of myself
  • 0% - Body feels light
  • 90% - No Emotions
  • 20% - Voice sounds remote (sometimes 0)
  • 100% - No thoughts
  • 0% - Hands look larger or smaller than they did
  • 0% - Surroundings feel detached
  • 80% - Time perception (sometimes 30)
  • 50% - Detached from memories
  • 50% - Feelings of affection friends and family
  • 0% - Objects look further or closer than before
  • 0% - Pencil feels like not mine when holding it
  • 100% - Can't picture things in my mind
  • 0% - Doesn't feel like my own arm when pinch it
  • 20% Feeling outside body
  • 0% - Things happen automatically
  • 0% - Thoughts have a life of their own
  • 0% - I have to touch myself to know I am real
585/2100 (then x10)
515/2100 (better day)

= 28%
= 24%

For my DP i've gone from a 90% on the scale to average around 25% and most are Major Depressive Disorder symptoms, although still feel in constant DP but i think that's as much feeling no emotions. About to start an AD (Effexor) hopefully will knock that out of the park. Sorry i keep answering your questions with my experience, it's kinda the easiest way, i've talked to many on this forum and read a lot but you only truly know what you experience. Hopefully you can use some of the information to figure where you stand.

EDIT: found it the scale for you, it has 22 questions, so just use the way i've filled it in, get the score divide it by 2200 x 10 https://www.docdroid.net/zIAJlG7/cds-state.pdf#page=3
Thanks a lot that's alot of useful information. With regard to the scale I sit at about 19 percent and when my anxiety is low it's probably about 17. My DP symptoms are often alleviated when my anxiety drops however my DR symptoms remain. I'm only about 2 months in so I have a lot to figure out but this was very useful. I just started following a supplement regimen I found on here so we'll see where that goes. Best of luck to you.
 
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