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my psychiatrist perscribed me seroquel an anti psychotic to treat me for bipolarism which i KNOW I DONT HAVE. but she insists i am so i know now the reason for that is cause she wants me to take the drug that the pharmeceuticles told her that if she perscribes 100 bushels of it a month she'll get a beamer and a years subscription to quack magazine.

ok so now that i know her little secret, my plan is to stop taking the seroquel, and tell her that im taking it and its not helping just hurting. but then if the only med that shes gonna give me is the seroquel (cause thats all she had in her office) how do i get her to give me something that will actually help me?

on the other hand... i really dont want to lie my way through my recovery.. but what other choice do i have if these doctors only give me what the drug companies give them?? should i make a call to the company itself that perscribes what i really need and have them send a promotional goodie bag to my doctor? or should i just tell my doc the truth.. that i dont like this med at all, that i know its not going to help me, that i know im not bipolar.. and have her kick me out of her office??

i really need some direction here. :shock:
 
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All you can do is be honest.

But see, it's really not as simple as the doctor giving you some med and some diagnosis so they can make money on it. Any "kick back" they'd get from a drug company, IF they ever got any, would be so small.

Your doctor is not trying to deceive you for her own personal gain. She's just not sure what to do to help you the best.

This is what nearly every psychiatrist faces: symptoms that will either be:
1) massive fear;
2) hopelessness, misery and thoughts of suicide;
3) wild mood swings, rage, impulsiveness;
4) obsessions, magical thinking and compulsions.

Everyone who walks into a psychiatrist's office has symptoms that fit in one of those 4 (or more than 1).

The psychiatrist then tries to "put" the patient into an already exisiting category that is an Official Name for certain qualities in the above 4 areas: Number 1 might be Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Phobic Disorder, Obsessive/Compulsive, etc. Number 3 might be "bipolar disorder" or some personality disorder, etc. etc.

They NEED to have a diagnosis because that's the only way the insurance company will fund the patient's treatment. Insurance companies are much more sinister than the doctors. If the patient WANTS help, they will need insurance coverage. The doctor then needs a "label" to say "this is what this patient HAS"

Then they prescribe medication that is "acceptable" to treat whatever disorder they have placed on you. That is their Treatment Plan, and a treatment plan is required by the insurance company in order for you to get coverage. If the doctor said "we don't know what is really wrong with this person, but we are thinking maybe we should try this med..." the company would not cover you.

The TRUTH is that many meds that are "for" a specific disorder also work very well for someone who may not "have' that disorder at all....

The world of mental symptoms is SO complex and there are not hardly ANY patients who fit neatly into a diagnosis.

Years ago, pschiatrists would not have called hardly anyone "bipolar" because the only med that worked for it was Lithium - and that med required major monitoring, liver function levels, blood work, etc. and there were significant risks to overall health.

Now however, there are some pretty good meds to try for bipolar - low side effects, etc. and meds that seem to help LOTS of patients with that third category listed at the beginning of this post - the "wild mood swings, rage and impulsiveness" It won't matter if the person HAS bipolar, as long as they have those traits, then something like an anticonvulsant might really help (Depakote, Lamictal, etc.)

Point is, the doctor is not your enemy, and it's too easy to make it a "me against them" thing.

The doctors just don't KNOW what is wrong with us or how to help us best. Unless someone is involved in a long term therapy, most of psychiatric treatment is guesswork. That's all they CAN do. Trial and error based on how you seem to be compared to other patients they've treated or read about.

Peace,
Janine

p.s. print this out and show it to the doctor - I bet she'll tell you I'm absolutely right.
 

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SB,

What i don't understand is that you have always seemed to me a rather confident and take-charge lady. Why would you put up with this quackery? If all is as you say (and i have no reason to suspect it wouldn't be), i advise that you take a small tape recorder into your pschiatrists office and again explicitly express how you feel, how you think the biploar diagnosis is a dubious pretext, and how the drug you are taking does nothing but turn you into a somnambulistic simpleton. If she again pushes this stuff on you (loved how you likened it to black tar heroin...i made a mental note to myself never to try it), report her to the authorities or something...maybe you could spark an investigation.

Seriously...you shouldn't put up with this and you shouldn't have to tip-toe around your psychiatrist to avoid hurting her feelings, for God's sake. You know this! You're paying her in one way or another to sit there and not listen to you and prescribe medication that is only hurting you. Don't stand for it anymore, woman! Fight the power!

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Sleepingbeauty,

Your not a guinea pig here. This is about what you want, not your dumb doctor. Why should your doctors wants come before yours? Your the one who lives in that body 24/7, you know what goes on and you know what you need. Your doctor doesn't walk in your shoes and suffer in your body. Let me ask you this: do you want to be on meds? If so then what med do you think will help you the most?

If you don't want to be on a med that you don't want to be on then leave it at that. Don't take the little pill if you don't want to be on it. No doctor can force you to take a pill. If they could then that would be chemical rape. I think you need to take a stand here and let your stupid doctor know that your the one paying the bill and that your the one who knows what they want. If you gotta lie, manipulate or be a fake to get what you want to get past your doctor, then by all means, go for it. If you dont feel comfortable doing that, get another doc. Theres never a shortage of doctors.
 

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'They NEED to have a diagnosis because that's the only way the insurance company will fund the patient's treatment. Insurance companies are much more sinister than the doctors. If the patient WANTS help, they will need insurance coverage. The doctor then needs a "label" to say "this is what this patient HAS"'

This is why I will always defend our (british) socialized health system to the hilt. Okay, the working reality of the NHS is far from ideal..but the ideal is far better than the reality that exists in the US. Market forces should never come into healthcare in a civilised country and the poor should be given the same amount of time and respect as the affluent. Maybe when the US becomes a true democracy (instead of having the choice between George 'puppet' Bush and his bunch and John 'muppet' Kerry and his bunch) then the american people will be able to opt for a more compassionate and just healthcare system.

we can dream

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Well I, over here we dont pay health insurance or pay for operations or anything like that. We have something called the National Health Service, which was started after the second world war by a Labour government when Labour governments were still true socialists. It's basically state run, funded by our taxes. It's the biggest employer in Europe, possibly the world.The issue of rich or poor doesn't come into it, under the NHS everybody is treated the same. There is private health care here of course, which those who can afford it are able to choose if waiting times are long on the NHS (which they often can be) But private health care companies have their own hospitals, so it's not like paying to jump the queue...it's a different system. It's not a perfect system by any means..there is too much bureaucracy and middle management. And there are long waiting lists due to bed blocking by old folks who have nowhere to go, because Thatcher's wretched conservative government's push for privitisation meant the closure of thousands of state run care homes. But the principle is still good nevertheless. It sends shudders down my spine to think that one day the money in my bank may determine whether I get adequate healthcare or not. That's why I pray to God that the Tories never get back into power and Tony Blair remembers the socialist principles of his once great political party.

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Gavin,

You are contradicting yourself.

you said:

"Well I, over here we dont pay health insurance or pay for operations or anything like that. It's basically state run, funded by our taxes."

On one hand you're implying that health insurance is free, but then you concede that the health care is funded by taxes.

So the question is not whether health care is free but rather through which company to buy that health care with YOUR money: a private hospital or U.K. Parliament.

If you pay $1,000 in taxes and charged $1,000 for a surgery, the question is who delivered a better service. Governments are notoriously inefficient --- across culture and across times.

You will definitely get a better service for the same money in the private sector as it has incentives to do so and is subject to competition. Centralized (government) providers do not: no competition and no incentives.

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But 1A, i believe his point was that, being public health care, it is not subjected to the same whims and biases of corporations and various creatures trying to promote their own drugs and what have you. I could be wrong, but i think that's what he was saying.

And let's face it, tax money going into health care doesn't seem as "real" as when you have a bill to pay for your private operation.

In canada, we supposedly have a public health care system. It's free to see a psychiatrist...if you don't mind waiting 8 months.

I'm not sure what my point is here...i'm at work and have people staring at me so i can't tidy this up any...

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Money, money, money, everything is just about money, I am sick of that.

Know what, everyone should get the bestest treatment, whether private or governmental.

Because it is really poor that there are differences in quality when it comes to health care.
There shouldn't be different standards among the differnt care providers, there should only be one standard across the country, and this overall level should be the best one can imagine.

Not because of money but because it is about human beings here and everyone just deserves the best treatment. Just like that.
 

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Hey 1A, don't tell it to me, tell it to sleepingbeauty and and all the other americans being treated like second class citzens because of their financial situation. And no, I'm not contradicting myself...NHS healthcare is free on the point of delivery, that was the point I was making.

And if you think money is the only incentive....what about votes? An administration that lets a public service go into decline will not do well at election time, will it. We heard all that nonsense here about the private sector being more efficient because of competition when they privatised the railways...and now it's a shambles, not to mention a lot more dangerous than when it was British Rail.

and what are you on about, paying $1000 in taxes then $1000 in surgery? We dont pay for any surgery, appointments or anything at the time. It's all covered.

Renationalise everything I say. Governments are accountable to the electorate. Fat Cats are accountable to nobody but their own shareholders, so all they gotta do is make money...and thats easy enough to do when there's rich people out there. But they the fat cats, unlike governments, don't have to worry about social justice and making things fair for the poor....they just gotta make the filthy lucre.

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the pharmeceuticles told her that if she perscribes 100 bushels of it a month she'll get a beamer and a years subscription to quack magazine.
HA! My doc is the same way, giving out boxes and boxes of samples for medication he gives speeches on.

It's funny when I leave a session feeling like he has finally found my diagnosis and has given me something, "helpful for MY situation" and then weeks later I see patient after patient leaving his office with the same med! I screamed at him about it once and he assured me that I was wrong....Then when I walked out of the waiting room, A DRUG REP WAS THERE! Giving him cases of Abilify along with a whole platter of food!

ANyway, I've been through the same shit and basically, I just tell my doc straight up...."Listen, I told you I'm not taking any more anti-psychotics so you can prescribe them all you want, but im not taking them"

They say that if one leaves the shrink's office in a bad mood, than technically it's a good sign due to the fact you are probably angry with the harsh realities of your situation---showing signs that he or she is on the road to recovery---

BULLSHIT---I leave my dr pissed off simply because he sucks!
 

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lol bunk... you sound alot like me sometimes heheh!!! my doc sucks ass too!!

nah but seriously i needed the laugh cause im miserable as hell. im covered in hives. i even feel them in my stomach and throat. uuugghhh :oops: :oops: :oops:
 
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