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Yeah, I know I shouldn't vent, as I needn't pay anything for my current therapy - but I'll do it though, as it seems the therapy is as useless to me as it is free. I also realize the point of the thread "please stay positive", but I'll type this post anyway, as I haven't been posting any negative stuff here for ages. Some reasons for my frustration toward the new therapist of mine:

1. She hardly has no clue about DP/DR and keeps asking me how I feel regarding the phenomenon in the beginning of every session. Huh, I have had DR 24/7 for fifteen years, so how could my DR possibly change after a couple of therapy sessions? It is always there, and it seems I can gain no help from her regarding this disorder. And... Last time she started chatting about her grandchildren with me and she told about them for a long time during the session. How's that supposed to help with my issues? Also, when I changed the topic and asked her how she sees e.g. psychotic states of mind, she told me:

2. She sees psychosis as a biological disorder only and disagrees with me that the stuff one experiences during psychosis can be psychologically meaningful. (BTW, biological? I bet it should be said biochemical...) I have learned to treasure the stuff I experienced during my PTSD psychosis, as I see there are rational reasons behind the delusions I experienced. For example when I felt I had a telepathic connection with one dude from the future, the imaginary connection showed me that it is possible to me to have intense feelings for someone else. I hardly feel any intense feelings while I am in my typical DR "trance" state of mind, but now I know it is possible. Indeed one of the most important things I learned from my psychotic break is the fact I am able to feel emotions like everybody else, and that was a very good thing to realize. Let alone the other psychotic ideation I experienced - it strikes me that it was so mythical, made of the same stuff that is found in world mythology/fairy tales - i.e. the Jungian concept of collective unconscious is a very good one to describe the origin of myths in human mind. I wish I had a Jungian therapist with whom I could digest my past expecience of psychosis in detail, as I'm pretty sure I'd learn a lot of myself in that way... But nope, my current therapist sees psychotic ideation totally meaningless mind-litter, yay for that.

3. Hah, my therapist has said that psychosis is a breakdown of personality. But why did I feel even more intact with my self during psychosis, if she was right? Yes, I was practically lost in mythic imagination at that time, but my sense of self wasn't broken in any way during the onset of my psychosis. And... My therapist has also said that there is a theory, which states that an orgasm is regarded as a small psychosis, cuz it includes the disappearance of self too. Wow. I have to disagree with her regarding the way she sees psychosis in general - she simply has no clue. But it is no wonder, as some people learn about psychosis by reading books and theories only, and never have the "chance" to experience the phenomenon first-hand. So I shouldn't be surprised at all, though I know there also are those psychiatrists, who see the psychotic experience from a wider perspective. But my therapist definitely has no clue and I'm disappointed, as I can't talk about this issue with her.

4. Considering the stuff above, I hardly can tell her about my experience of alters (I'm pretty sure my correct diagnosis might be DDNOS). My teenage alter Linda had been hiding inside for a long time now, but finally I was able to gain a contact with her again, since I joined in a DID mailing list and received some very good advice regarding hiding alters from the other people there. Now I would like to make the contact with Linda more constant, as she is the one in me who has the most passion toward life/natural sciences/hobbies. But OK, I hardly can trust my therapist would understand anything about dissociative disorders, regarding her opinion toward psychosis. I'm pretty sure if I told her about the existence of Linda in me, she'd think I am going to be psychotic again. Blaah.

OK, I'll have this one year "therapy" and will talk chit-chat with her just to please her. Or if I was brave enough, I could tell her that this therapy is leading me nowhere and by quitting it I'd give room for someone else to have therapy with her. I just should find the right words to say this to her, as I do not want to hurt my current therapist's feelings. At least she has agreed with me that there are those people with Jungian/transpersonal/whatever background, who regard e.g. psychosis in the same way I see it. But it doesn't help me, because she sees the stuff differently.

Or maybe I still should give the chance for my therapist, as of coz it may be possible that the sessions might change into something meaningful after some time. Dunno... But if it seems all I can talk with her is just crap, I'll quit my therapy very soon. Indeed doing so I really will give my place for someone else, who might even benefit from the sessions with her? And that would be so much better than this situation - me feeling just frustrated after the therapy sessions. Let's see...
 

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you may want to see a new therapist. Maybe try letting her know what you think of her. Maybe she can adjust a litte. Some patients are hard to read and maybe she's trying to feel you out a little. My guess is that the question she asks you repeatedly with repect to DR is that she wants to try to get you in touch with your emotions that connect to it.
 

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Thanks for your reply, Ken. I feel my therapist is so clueless that at the moment I wouldn't like to continue the therapy. But well, I'll give her a chance - if the sessions start becoming better after some time, I'll continue seeing her. If they won't, I guess I'll quit, as it is totally useless to hide every real problem from her and talk just chit-chat... At the moment it seems like that the most serious issues I would like to talk with my therapist cannot be discussed at all. That makes me really frustrated, cuz in that case I hardly can benefit from the therapy. :( But I'll give her a chance, let's see...
 
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Yeah, I know I shouldn't vent, as I needn't pay anything for my current therapy - but I'll do it though, as it seems the therapy is as useless to me as it is free. I also realize the point of the thread "please stay positive", but I'll type this post anyway, as I haven't been posting any negative stuff here for ages. Some reasons for my frustration toward the new therapist of mine:

1. She hardly has no clue about DP/DR and keeps asking me how I feel regarding the phenomenon in the beginning of every session. Huh, I have had DR 24/7 for fifteen years, so how could my DR possibly change after a couple of therapy sessions? It is always there, and it seems I can gain no help from her regarding this disorder. And... Last time she started chatting about her grandchildren with me and she told about them for a long time during the session. How's that supposed to help with my issues? Also, when I changed the topic and asked her how she sees e.g. psychotic states of mind, she told me:

2. She sees psychosis as a biological disorder only and disagrees with me that the stuff one experiences during psychosis can be psychologically meaningful. (BTW, biological? I bet it should be said biochemical...) I have learned to treasure the stuff I experienced during my PTSD psychosis, as I see there are rational reasons behind the delusions I experienced. For example when I felt I had a telepathic connection with one dude from the future, the imaginary connection showed me that it is possible to me to have intense feelings for someone else. I hardly feel any intense feelings while I am in my typical DR "trance" state of mind, but now I know it is possible. Indeed one of the most important things I learned from my psychotic break is the fact I am able to feel emotions like everybody else, and that was a very good thing to realize. Let alone the other psychotic ideation I experienced - it strikes me that it was so mythical, made of the same stuff that is found in world mythology/fairy tales - i.e. the Jungian concept of collective unconscious is a very good one to describe the origin of myths in human mind. I wish I had a Jungian therapist with whom I could digest my past expecience of psychosis in detail, as I'm pretty sure I'd learn a lot of myself in that way... But nope, my current therapist sees psychotic ideation totally meaningless mind-litter, yay for that.

3. Hah, my therapist has said that psychosis is a breakdown of personality. But why did I feel even more intact with my self during psychosis, if she was right? Yes, I was practically lost in mythic imagination at that time, but my sense of self wasn't broken in any way during the onset of my psychosis. And... My therapist has also said that there is a theory, which states that an orgasm is regarded as a small psychosis, cuz it includes the disappearance of self too. Wow. I have to disagree with her regarding the way she sees psychosis in general - she simply has no clue. But it is no wonder, as some people learn about psychosis by reading books and theories only, and never have the "chance" to experience the phenomenon first-hand. So I shouldn't be surprised at all, though I know there also are those psychiatrists, who see the psychotic experience from a wider perspective. But my therapist definitely has no clue and I'm disappointed, as I can't talk about this issue with her.

4. Considering the stuff above, I hardly can tell her about my experience of alters (I'm pretty sure my correct diagnosis might be DDNOS). My teenage alter Linda had been hiding inside for a long time now, but finally I was able to gain a contact with her again, since I joined in a DID mailing list and received some very good advice regarding hiding alters from the other people there. Now I would like to make the contact with Linda more constant, as she is the one in me who has the most passion toward life/natural sciences/hobbies. But OK, I hardly can trust my therapist would understand anything about dissociative disorders, regarding her opinion toward psychosis. I'm pretty sure if I told her about the existence of Linda in me, she'd think I am going to be psychotic again. Blaah.

OK, I'll have this one year "therapy" and will talk chit-chat with her just to please her. Or if I was brave enough, I could tell her that this therapy is leading me nowhere and by quitting it I'd give room for someone else to have therapy with her. I just should find the right words to say this to her, as I do not want to hurt my current therapist's feelings. At least she has agreed with me that there are those people with Jungian/transpersonal/whatever background, who regard e.g. psychosis in the same way I see it. But it doesn't help me, because she sees the stuff differently.

Or maybe I still should give the chance for my therapist, as of coz it may be possible that the sessions might change into something meaningful after some time. Dunno... But if it seems all I can talk with her is just crap, I'll quit my therapy very soon. Indeed doing so I really will give my place for someone else, who might even benefit from the sessions with her? And that would be so much better than this situation - me feeling just frustrated after the therapy sessions. Let's see...
Y.ou d.ont h.av.e a "c.onnec.tion" w.ith y.our thera.pist.

You're al.so .paranoi.d.

B.it.e the B.ULLET. Russi.an roule.tte.

Nex.t tim.e..
When She says Hows t.he DP (S.he's saying it because She's trying to m.ake friends w.ith you, and be.cause th.is is y.our m.ain "iss.ue".)

Say.. Blah, blah, blah "It's doing THIS and it's doing THA.T." (Talk ab.out y.ours.elf. mo.re. You're frea.king He.r out.)

Y.ou're tense, paranoi.d overly-analytica.l and thinkin.g wa.y TOO har.d.
She's too dum.b to under.stand you.

As you said, it's free, so keep going.
She CAN.T "support you emotionally" (If you see what I mean) in the.rapy it's all wo.rds. So us.e more t.o co.nnect, and may.be answer mo.re of Her st.upi.d CRAP

w.ith less judgem.ent.
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I am no authority, but if you don't think it's helping, don't go.

You mentioned Jungian psychology, can you afford to see a Jungian Analyst? I am seeing one at the moment and I like the approach a lot better because they give absolute credit to your own mental realm (including psychosis I think, though I have no experience with that either) and to me it sounds like you'd benefit a lot more from that approach.

Hang in there.
 

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Heissan Ninnu,

Nopea piipahdus foorumilla ja yht? nopea vastaus (en ehdi nyt ajatella enkuks, hope kukaan ei pahastu:). Lukasin sun yll?olevat p?tk?t; harmittaa hirmusesti sun puolesta, mutta my?s omastani - my?s mulla oli syksyn terapiasta huonoja kokemuksia. K?vin viitisen kertaa YHTS:n neuvontapsykologilla (joka oli ihan huippu!), ja sen j?lkeen YHTS:n piffaamassa kymmenen kerran kognitiiviterapiassa. Just toi j?lkimm?inen oli hitonmoinen pettymys. Pystyin kyll? kertomaan l?hes kaikista asioistani, mutta sain tosi niukasti responssia. Terapeutti oli nuorehko nainen, todellinen minni hiiri (=ei mink??nlaista r?v?kkyytt?/asennetta), ja sain suorastaan lyps?? silt? mielipiteit?. L?hin hakemaan terapiasta uusia ajatuksia ja muutosta ajattelumalleihini, mutta terapeutti n?k?j??n ajatteli ett? riitt?? kun kuuntelee...mussakin terapia her?tti l?hinn? turhautumista, mutta p??tin puskea loppuun asti kerran oli ilmaista. Harmillista mahtaa olla my?s tuo, ett? tuntuu ettei voi/ole j?rke? kaikista asioista puhua. Mutta lis?? ajatustenvaihtoa s?hk?postitse, kirjoitellaan t?ss? taas...

Saa n?h? millasia kommenteja mei?n kieli her?tt??, en voinu vastustaa kiusausta... :D
 

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Heips Johanna,

ik?v?? ett? siulla oli samat kokemukset terapiasta... :( Nyt kun olen k?ynyt muutaman kerran Espoonlahden klinikan ilmaisessa terapiassa, on mieliala todella tympiintynyt. Miun terapeutti (keski-ik?inen psykiatrinen sairaanhoitaja) kyll? puhuu kanssani, mutta se onkin sitten eri asia, mit? h?nen kanssaan voi keskustella. Viime kerralla tosiaan utelin h?nen k?sityksi??n psykoosista ja sen syist?, ja h?n piti sit? biologisena sairautena (hah, biokemiallinen olisi kyll? oikea termi - sarkasmi rulettaa kun ei muuhun pysty turhautumiseltaan) eik? uskonut, ett? psykoottisen ihmisen harhak?sityksill? ym. hallusinaatioilla olisi mit??n merkityst?.

Mie olin odottanut, ett? terapiassa p??sisin purkamaan auki muutaman vuoden takaista kokemustani psykoosista, sill? kokemus kaikessa tuskallisuudessaankin oli miulle jonkinasteinen trippi omaan itseeni ja myyttiseen mielikuvitukseen. Mutta ei... Kun terapeuttini on noin rajoittunut k?sityksiss??n psykoosia kohtaan, voi vain arvailla, mit? h?n ajattelisi minusta, jos uskaltaisin h?nelle kertoa, ett? olen kokenut my?s sivupersoonailmi?t? - pahimmassa tapauksessa pit?isi varmaankin kokemaani vain yhten? psykoosin oireista...? T?st? syyst? en uskalla h?nelle Lindasta puhua, en ainakaan viel? t?ss? vaiheessa.

Saa n?hd?, mit? seuraavilla tapaamiskerroilla tapahtuu - jos t?ti osoittaa yht??n enemm?n avaramielisyytt? my?hemmin, voi terapiasta olla ehk? jopa apuakin, mutta t?t? ep?ilen... Aion kuitenkin koettaa onkia h?nest? kev?tpuolella mielipiteit? dissosiatiivisista h?iri?tiloista - jos h?n tiet?? ilmi?st? ja ei pid? niit? psykoosin oireina (eli on lukenut DSM-IV:ns? hyvin), voisin luultavasti uskaltaakin kertoa h?nelle 'alter egostani' teini-Lindasta. Muutama viikko sitten sain n?et j?lleen hetkeksi yhteyden Lindan ajatuksiin, kun kyselin DID-postituslistalla infoa, kuinka saada yhteys piilotteleviin sivupersooniin. Valitettavasti saavuttamani yhteys/yhteistajunta (vai miten tuon englanninkielisen termin co-consiousness voisi oikein parhaiten suomentaa?) oli heikko ja hetkellinen, mik? saattaa toki osittain johtua my?s t?m?nhetkisest? mielialal??kityksest?nikin.

Jos voisin terapeutin kanssa ty?st?? suhdettani Lindaan, olisi se lottovoittoon verrattava onnenpotku, mutta jotenkin ep?ilen, ettei miun kannata siit? edes haaveilla. Sen tosin n?kee sitten vasta my?hemmin - tuskin miun kannattaa tuomita terapeuttiani ainakaan viel? t?ss? vaiheessa t?ysin toivottomaksi umpimieliseksi h?lm?ksi... ;) Saa n?hd?...

Jotain positiivista: ainakin nyt joululomalla olen ottanut jo ensiaskeleet yst?vystymiseen Lindan kanssa, vaikken h?nen ajatuksiaan/tuntemuksiaan ole v?h??n aikaan itsess?ni aistinutkaan - sain nimitt?in ?idilt?ni joululahjaksi tiiliskiven kokoisen tietoteoksen kivist? ja fossiileista ja pari p?iv?? sitten aloitin sit? lukemaan, vaikka tietokirjallisuuden lukeminen on tuntunut todella vaikealta siit? l?htien, kun aloin kokemaan derealisaatiota 14-vuotiaana. Mutta tied?n, ett? 14-vuotias Linda tahtoo lukea luonnontyieteellist? kirjallisuutta huvin vuoksi, ja siksi pakotin itseni avaamaan kirjan. Nyt parikymment? sivua luettuani havaitsin p??t?kseni kirjan avaamisesta olleen oikea - vaikkei miulla tunnu edelleenk??n olevan mit??n yhteytt? Lindan ajatuksiin, on geologian kirjan lukeminen jo hauskaa. En olisi uskonut, olin n?et varma, ett? miulla menisi useampi kuukausi ennenkuin tietoteoksen lukeminen alkaisi tuntua mukavalta! Jes :D

Mutta kirjoitellaan lis?? s?hk?postitse? Katsotaan, kumpi meist? ehtii nopeammin kirjoittaa emailia toiselle - eli jos saan aikaiseksi koota ajatuksiani spostikirjeeksi, taidan kirjoitella siulle piakkoin... :)
 

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Hi Cecil, thanks for your post and sorry that my reply is so delayed... I'm glad you have a good T! :) I think you're right regarding the therapy. Now it seems totally useless to go to the sessions, but I may have the chance to get better therapy in the near future (next autumn), after I've had this one-year free therapy with my current T. I wish I could afford it - i.e. I could get financial aid for the hypothetical future therapy - and find a Jungian analyst, with whom I would feel comfortable. Let's see...
 
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