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My greatest fear...

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The endlessness of the physical. The fact that "things" have to expand in some form forever
..take a moment and IMAGINE IT, going on forever and ever, eventually you're going to make your mind put an end to things, but if you've done it long enough, your heart is probably pounding like mine..

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The prospect of an afterlife. Endlessness of yourself or the existence of a "soul."

I find the notion of God to be pretty ridiculous, but a "tier-together" of everything, a sort of "spiritual undercurrent" seems sort of feasible.

I'm terrified of an afterlife that NEVER ends. The thought of having a soul is terrifying. If I have one, I want it to have the ability to die. Which kind of runs again the whole idea of a soul? I can't believe people COMFORT themselves with the idea.

Imagine NEVER BEING ABLE TO DIE. It would be torture. People can't conceive of the horror of it because they see an end to everything. Similar to the idea of God - they have to have a creator because they see creation. And in most cases, they see this creator in the form of a man. Almighty cloudman.

As long as I can remember, I've thought of things this way. I remember when we read whateverthehellthatbookwas with the Fountain of Youth in elementary school we were asked if we would drink from it. All the little kids wanted to find it. I was like... FUCK if this really existed I would NEVER go near another drinking fountain again. I was the only kid in my class who wouldn't even THINK of drinking for eternal earthly existence.

ETERNITY. No matter how happy a person's life is, it still sounds maddening, terrifying, horrible. Everyone is scared of Hell, but eventually, in an eternal and endless state, you'd FEEL the flames of Hell.
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Think about this. Once the life that you have fully lived is over, it will be as if it never happened. In fact, it might has well have never happend in the first place. There would be no entity to remember it. After a while, all those that were associated with you will die and all memory or shred of evidence of your existance will simply cease to be.

Live life to the fullest. Bullshit.

Will it to be more than it is. Or die.
Hmm...your views never seem to make much sense to me. On the one hand, you like to harp on like a jumped-up postmodernist about the relativity and subjectivity of all experience, saying how we can't speak for anything outside of our own sensations or beyond our own perceptions; on the other, however, you appear to forever claim that you have discovered the single, universally applicable truth about life: that it's somehow "woefully inadequate at best and horrifically painful at worst". You also seem to think that anyone who is happy in life is somehow deluding themselves.

I think what all this betrays is a fundamental misunderstanding of what life is all about.

It's a cliche, but a true one, to say that life is largely what you make of it. These values that we attach to it -"crap", "horrific", "wonderful", "dull", "amazing", whatever takes your fancy - do not exist intrinsically and external to the observer, but are imposed as our own subjective meanings on our experience as we perceive it. If you incessantly wish to perceive life as one long tortuous and pointless endeavour then that is what it will be for you. No surprises there.

Now, I agree with you that in many, perhaps most, ways the world is a pretty bleak place. I think that's pretty undeniable right now. However it doesn't follow that we somehow have to be miserable bastards and resign oursleves to a position of indignant misery and haggard cynicism.

Live, form relationships, have a laugh, develop your skills and talents, do stuff you enjoy doing, develop your mind, work towards a career that you enjoy, get laid...these are all things that help you to feel good and see life as not so bad after all. And all these things and others can be done quite easily in the world as it is now.

Of course, it's much easier to sit back and pretend that it's not worth it because it's all bollocks anyway. This, to me, is a pretty cowardly thing to do. If you have the capacity to be happy, but choose not to be, then it's unsurprising why you'll come back unsatisfied every time. Think about what you're doing to yourselves, guys. Change is often not so hard if only you're willing to alter the way you look at things.

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I treat my truth as if it is an objective truth, because I want to challenge other peoples opinions and I want them to offer me an answer that makes sense. No ones answers have made any sense. When you're getting laid, out having a good time there are people who are starving to death. Bombs are dropping from the sky and obliterating families. Disease is killing hundreds of thousands of people. The vast majority of the people on this planet live in conditions that most in the west would consider reason enough for suicide. To just die because its not worth it. If you can go about life and be happy while this is occuring then you are either A) Deluding yourself or B) have an answer; a reason or C) simply don't give a sh*t.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be happy. But if you really have a problem with my opinion after taking a look at this world, then I suppose we are living on very different planets.
I don't think that's fair on all those people who actually do care about the problems in the world and work hard to change them. The central issue here which I don't understand in you is why you can't be sad about the problems in the world but still be happy overall. So many people, who whatever you like to tell yourself are not delusional, are able to live happy lives generally at the same time as feeling sadness over the plight of parts of the world, and acting practically to change things.

It doesn't need to be "one or the other".
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