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I've been doing meditation for the past few days and I'm wondering if there are any fellow meditators on this site. It's really helping me to focus and concentrate better on what I'm doing at the time, plus it's a big stress reliever. Any fellow dp'ers meditating on here? I've also started to chant some buddhist prayers along with my meditation, and I think it's helping. here is the basic buddhist mantra of prayer to the Compassion Buddha:

OM MANI PADME HUM

chat over and over until you feel better
 
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i was gona, but meditation in fact can cause dp/dr, and ive heard a few stories where people got bad dp/dr from meditating too much.
 

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Guided meditation is what I'm doing now. I got these cd's from a dude named Bodhipaksa (http://www.wildmind.org). Two cd's that he has available through amazon.com and his site. He knows what he's doing. Personally I think meditation should eventually cause me to examine my own thoughts, values, and my belief system, causing whatever's holding this dp in place to plummet. Cross my fingers.
 

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Its great that you've found something that helps. My problem with beginning meditation is that with the DP I already feel as if I'm in a trance state 24/7. Even being in a silent room without a distraction for too long can send me into a mild depression as I have ample time to examine myself, my life, and my thoughts in great detail. Sometimes I think the only thing keeping me sane is the noise thats always around me and keeps me from thinking (TV, music, conversation, etc). To shut that off all at once would automatically focus my attention on my body and my mind - never a good thing for me.
 
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but when the cirumstances are a distorted view of body and mind, then i dont think it would be good.. because a healthy perspective of ones own body and mind usually involves no deep insight or analysis. i suggest you keep your mind off it and only go as far as therapy when it comes to thinking about your thoughts.
 

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Universal be careful. Just about every religion on earth has some form of meditation. From what I gather Buddhism teaches enlightenment through meditation. And the Buddhist view of enlightenment is much like dr/dp
--- the anxity, right?
I find it funny that so many dp/dr's are into buddhism
sense the big goal of buddhism is a greater insight. Is not dp/dr just too much insight, are we not enlightened?
I can see a useful purpose in Samatha meditation, but I fear that if you take Buddhism to serious and start doing a lot of Vipassana meditation
you may end up going completly insain! This has happened to people that did not even have any signs of dp/dr.
Meditation has a very usefull purpous, it can relieve much anxiety and it helps you to focus your thoughts.
Just don't take it too far. If you have brain dp/dr already be extreamly careful. As soon as you sense a shift in your thinking, or a feeling of enlightenment, STOP MEDITATION IMMEDIATELY!
This advice will cheet you out of Buddhism's view of enlightenment but it may save your life!
You should also get as much info on the subject as possible, same as with drugs. You might already know everything and not even need to read this but I seen your post and I felt compelled to warn you.
 

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Personally I think meditation should eventually cause me to examine my own thoughts, values, and my belief system, causing whatever's holding this dp in place to plummet. Cross my fingers.
THIS IS THE WORST WAY YOU COULD THINK ABOUT THE RELIGION!

LOOK AWAY FROM YOUR DP/DR NOT AT IT, DP/DR IS JUST LIKE THE SUN

YOUR MIND IS ALREADY ON OVERDRIVE, PUSH TO FAR AND IT WILL BURN UP!
 
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Well, I bought some anti-anxiety and stress relief tapes off the internet. Not too 'deep', per se, but I do feel as though they have been having a positive effect.
 

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Medicine Buddha is one of many buddhas who have attained the state of perfect enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings. The enlightened mind has eliminated all negativity and perfected all positive qualities.

Medicine Buddha's blue sky-colored holy body signifies omniscient wisdom and compassion as vast as limitless space and is particularly associated with healing both mental and physical suffering. Making a connection with him, practicing meditation, reciting his mantra or even just saying his name helps us achieve our potential for ultimate healing.

The Medicine Buddha's short mantra:

TAYATHA OM BHEGHANDZE BHEGHANDZE MAHA BHEGHANDZE BHEGHANDZE RADZA SAMUDGATE SOHA

The full name of the Medicine Buddha is Bhaishajyaguru Vaiduryaprabha, the Healing Master of Lapis Lazuli Radiance. Like Shakyamuni he wears the robes of a monk and is seated in the full cross-legged posture.
 

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And the Buddhist view of enlightenment is much like dr/dp
--- the anxity, right?
No, wrong . Buddhist elightenment has nothing similar with dp/dr. In fact it's totally the opposite of it. It's going towards MORE interconnectedness of everything, mind and body, yourself and others. It's a positive thing not a negative thing. It's going towards a greater freedom from day to day struggles.
 

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Buddhist elightenment has nothing similar with dp/dr. In fact it's totally the opposite of it. It's going towards MORE interconnectedness of everything, mind and body, yourself and others. It's a positive thing not a negative thing. It's going towards a greater freedom from day to day struggles.
Than I can see why people with dp/dr would find the Buddhist religion appealing.

Just be careful.
 

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I have skimmed through this so forgive me if I missed anything important which I probably did.

I wanted to respond as I took a 4 month group therapy program on DBT, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, at the local University -- led by two MSW Level II - Clinical MSWs with extensive training. It was group therapy, based on a combo of CBT and Buddhist concepts.

One thing, I'm certainly not a born again Buddhist, and I don't think a lot of people here are into Buddhism, but there are many tenets/practices of Buddhism that are helpful for everyday life and for coping with mental illness. I'd say some people on the board have found Buddhism as a coping mechanism to help distract and modulate mood.

Meditation for me is also not good. There is an article in Cavan's UNREAL
It can bring on DP/DR as someone else mentioned in this thread.

http://www.artsci.co.uk/unreal/ Look under "Trance States" where there is a discussion of causes of DP/DR from intense meditation.

Here is an excellent article explaining DBT, developed by a pschologist in the early 1990s at the University of Washington to help with Borderline patients. It was found this is was successful in helping many people cope with mental illness.

Meditation is not stressed and some in group, including myself find it disturbing. And I'm talking about people w/bipolar, schizophrenia, OCD, etc. No one in my group of about 20 knew what DP was. The MSWs did.

Also, my background is one of neglect and abuse by my mother, a psychiatrist. I had DP/DR episodes in my childhood starting at 4/5 years of age. This became chronic around age 12/13/14 and has persisted all these years... not one break... I'm 46.

About DBT.
http://www.priory.com/dbt.htm

In a nutshell...

Dialectical Behaviour Therapy is based on a bio-social theory of borderline personality disorder. Linehan hypothesises that the disorder is a consequence of an emotionally vulnerable individual growing up within a particular set of environmental circumstances which she refers to as the 'Invalidating Environment'.

An 'emotionally vulnerable' person in this sense is someone whose autonomic nervous system reacts excessively to relatively low levels of stress and takes longer than normal to return to baseline once the stress is removed. It is proposed that this is the consequence of a biological diathesis.

The term 'Invalidating Environment' refers essentially to a situation in which the personal experiences and responses of the growing child are disqualified or "invalidated" by the significant others in her life.

The child's personal communications are not accepted as an accurate indication of her true feelings and it is implied that, if they were accurate, then such feelings would not be a valid response to circumstances. Furthermore, an Invalidating Environment is characterised by a tendency to place a high value on self-control and self-reliance.

Possible difficulties in these areas are not acknowledged and it is implied that problem solving should be easy given proper motivation. Any failure on the part of the child to perform to the expected standard is therefore ascribed to lack of motivation or some other negative characteristic of her character. (The feminine pronoun will be used throughout this paper when referring to the patient since the majority of BPD patients are female and Linehan's work has focused on this subgroup).


My program was very goal-oriented program based on four "Modules" lead by an ACSW and supervised by a psychiatrist I will saw once a month as well. I also have unlimited to access to said psychiatrist for crises, etc. Phone support, etc. I still see the shrink though he is a 3rd year Psych resident at a large highly regarded teaching hospital here. He'll move on in a year, but I need to talk to him about specific issues and he monitors me my meds.

"There are four primary modes of treatment in DBT :

Individual therapy
Group skills training
Telephone contact
Therapist consultation


Whilst keeping within the overall model, group therapy and other modes of treatment may be added at the discretion of the therapist, providing the targets for that mode are clear and prioritised."
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The four Modules (one month each of four 1.5 hour sessions) are as follows:

1. Core mindfulness skills.
2. Interpersonal effectiveness skills.
3. Emotion modulation skills.
4. Distress tolerance skills.


I have found, through this program, a lot of sanity in the tenets of Buddhism. Being a non-theist, I use the religious/ritual aspects of Buddhism as best I can. They are an excelent way to apply healthy thinking/approaches to life, ways of calming/soothing one's self, etc.

I recommend books by Thich Naht Hahn particularly "The Miracle of Mindfulness" -- Buddhist "enlightenment" which can only be achieved by a very few is the OPPOSITE of DP/DR as was mentioned.

Also, a great book for those of us w/out any other organized religion or religion beliefs is "Buddhism without Beliefs" by Stephen Batchelor.

DBT is based heavily on the work of Thich Naht Hahn, but mind you this has been studied scientifically. Put to the tests of the scientific method.

I hope I haven't repeated myself. Check out the other discussion about this.

Take Care,
Dreamer who finds Buddhism... the simplest tenets... incredibly sane and applicable to anyone seeking to find more calm. DBT was excellent for me, in GROUP where I found so many people with different illnesses having concerns I did.

I can take modules over again, and may take Mindfulness and Interpersonal Skills. This is covered by insurance, is inexpensive. The thing is it is probably only offered at teaching hospitals.

Hope this helps.
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