[anti-anti depressants]

Does anyone else feel like this?

Think about this. I've tried looking back to think how I was feeling when I did'nt have a problem with depersonalization. Question how you feel now, to how you felt back then. Did you have the same things on your mind now as you did then. Worries, obsessive thoughts, problems. Someone pointed this out to me, and looking back, when my life was all rosy, I never had this problem. Makes you think!

 

[Sojourner]

Life never really was all rosy. You know that, of course, but it makes you feel better to think there was a time when all was "rosy." That's simply not true, and you know it.

Our life has always been like a finely woven garment having threads of all possible human colors (emotions) that form patterns and images.

As the weavers of our garments, we can choose which colors we weave with, can we not? Some are thrust upon us, this is true, but the others are strictly our own choice, right?

You have the same threads in your life today that you have always had. You are the weaver who chooses to neglect weaving with the beautiful hues you used to use. So what's up with that? Who is left to blame -- not that blame is appropriate in the least -- but the weaver?

We are the weavers, are we not?

Well, then, who is in charge of the colors we see in the garment that is our life? And what stops the weaver from introducing a brand new color of beauty into the garment? Anything stopping the weaver from doing that?

 

[LOSTONE]

I only have black and gray to weave with. Sojurner can you lend me one of your beautiful hues? I seemed to have lost mine.

 

[jake]

Dear anti-antidepressants:
I just took from your post as I try to do from others who are searching and thinking outloud for answers. I know the phrase "all rosy" is an exaggeration in MY case regarding the past and times I was not mired in anxiety. But I DO know what you mean regarding the fact there have been times I didn't feel this bad. I think anybody's search is valid.
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Sojourner, I can't believe you would tell somebody that they "know that" when offering your opinion. Maybe they DO NOT KNOW THAT. You know?

 

[[rula]]

Sojourner, I can't believe you would tell somebody that they "know that" when offering your opinion. Maybe they DO NOT KNOW THAT. You know?

Not attacking you Sojourner, but I have to agree. at the beginning of my DP I was in complete denial that I ever had any issues. I totally beleived that life was just peachy and great before that one panic attack. It took me a while to get the courage to face facts. but that was just me, and there's no reason to assume that anti-ad's is in denial.

anti-ad's, there are some people on here who say life was totally rosy before. maybe recovery for you would be faster, since you don't have so many issues that you need to work on, like the rest of us 8)

-rula

 

[Sojourner]

Sigh. Busted again for technique. I should have realized that anti-anti is very young, and I spoke to her/him as if she was an adult for a long time and I see that doing that was a major mistake. I was wrong, and I'm sorry, anti_anti. And if I'm wrong about saying this, then I'm sorry about this, too.

Sorry, y'all. I didn't mean to imply that anti_anti was in denial or anything, but just wanted to point out that nothing in this life is ever just one thing -- and certainly not "rosy."

LostOne -- Here's a lovely shade of blue ---- -- do you like it? (I don't think I should be giving you anything in the red family. )

Jake, it pains me to have angered you. :? But I know you...you'll forgive me. Thanks.

Rula, thanks for your insight, again. 8)

Anti-anti -- You are always growing and changing, and nothing will ever be static for you.

The initial point I meant to stay on was the weaving thing. Anti-anti -- grab that lovely shade of rose and weave your garment using it liberally. That's our role in all this, isn't it?

 

[Guest]

Hey I sometimes think we really over read into what Sojourner says. I truly believe that she is trying to be helpful and insightful. I myself have been guilty of this on a couple of occasions. This is however a place to offer our advice and sometimes what we have to say people (including myself) don't want to hear or take offense to. I don't know I just felt like putting my two cents in. Sojourner, maybe you should have a signature line that reads sorry in advance for offending you LOL, LOL, LOL. That will save you some time. Take it easy on each other guys we are all basically here for the same reason.
Kate

 

[LOSTONE]

Whereami your right. I havent read one post by Sojurner that seemed like she was trying to offened anyone.

Sojurner is Sojurner. I like your personality Sojurner, you have a lot of character.

By the way thanks for the blue, it is beautiful !

 

[LOSTONE]

Sojourner I love your technique. Why do you sigh?
If you don't want your technique anymore, can I have it.

 

[Sojourner]

WhereamI -- Thanks! I like your idea for a sig very much and I just might use it soon. :wink:

Lostone: No, honey-bun. As much as I am fond of you, I cannot do that. Besides, you don't seem to need much help in that department!

 

[jake]

You guys are crackin me up here! Hey Sojourner, I didn't want to hurt you. And it seems I took more offense than the original poster, so color me codependent! I'm new here relatively speaking and I guess sometimes people can say things to others whom they know better and it's taken in the spirit they both understand. Also I concede that if I am saying all searches for answers are valid, I must also say all people are too. If every body's style was the same at giving opinion it would be very boring. There have been many times that your cut-to-the chase style has helped me Soj, b/cuz I also understood your intent. This one just startled me. All is forgiven, since there's nothing to forgive. Agghhhh shut up now jake!!

 

[Monkeydust]

I think Sojourner really needs to have some kind of disclaimer at the beginning of his/her posts. It would stop all these silly arguments.

 

[Sojourner]

Interesting concept. Forced me to think a bit more about it. Thanks.

 

[Monkeydust]

Only joking on the disclaimer point.

In a bizarre way I've actually started to quite like Sojourner. I'm not even joking, either. This is an interesting turn of events.

 

[Martinelv]

I'm not joking about the disclaimer. Here, Sojourner, borrow my patented DISCLAIM'ATRON 2000(tm), that automatically adds a disclaimer to the end of every post. I invented this contraption after REV's refusal to add a disclaimer button a while back, when virtually everything I said caused uproar. I've taken pills since then, so hopefully I've calmed down a lot.

Sojourner, I've no doubt at all that your intentions are well meaning and sincere, none at all, I just think that sometimes your opinions can come across as generalisations (which can of course be hurtful), and they are not always responding to the point of the post, and statement of facts. As this is an impersonal Internet forum, it wouldn't go amiss to uses a 'perhaps' or 'maybe' or 'I think' before some of your prophesizing. But you've certainly lived up the site a little. And remember, god/s have no place on this forum!!

Life never really was all rosy

I don't agree with this though. I'm getting a little tired at the endless prattle (not just Sojourner) that we are all born to the fate of a life of misery. I don't agree with that at all, and it smacks of the squalid human condition and the need for redemption. It ignores personal responsibility and the fact that we all have the capacity to lead a happy, guilt free life. It also shows the person thinks that his own turgid experiences of life are applied to all. The majority of the world lives in mildly ingorant bliss, with, of course, minor irritations and tragedies...but that's life. And we have to make the most of it...and strive to make it better for ourselves and people who we care for. That is the purpose of life, not eighty-odd years of struggling through the disappointment and rain of this life, waiting for an after-life of an eternity of bliss. If there isn't a heaven, and we've got it wrong, then what a waste of life.

 

[Sojourner]

Martin,

You somehow missed the fifth word in:

Life never really was all rosy.

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And God belongs anywhere people want to bring him!

 

[Martinelv]

Yes that's true, but just because life isn't an endless stream of bliss doesn't mean that we are doomed to an eternity of misery. I just get the impression that you think happyness is a wafer thin veil covering the bottomless gulf of misery beneath. I don't agree with that.

 

[Sojourner]

Yes that's true, but just because life isn't an endless stream of bliss doesn't mean that we are doomed to an eternity of misery. I just get the impression that you think happyness is a wafer thin veil covering the bottomless gulf of misery beneath. I don't agree with that.

I do not believe that at all, Martin, and I regret that I have given you that impression and rather mystified about how it happened.

Monkeydust -- Thank you for your comments!

 

[[rula]]

I don't think the generalization was about life so much. *I think*, maybe, (hehe) that Sajourner was making a generalization about people with DP, based on the popular 'dp is a defense mechanism' theory. so if one has DP, it's not possible that their life could've been all rosy before??

I'm rather mystified myself as how you could so confidently say "i know and you KNOW" life wasn't so great...unless I'm missing some really long post from anti-ad's with lots of details, in that case i'll go feel stupid now. :lol:

 

[LOSTONE]

Yes that's true, but just because life isn't an endless stream of bliss doesn't mean that we are doomed to an eternity of misery. I just get the impression that you think happyness is a wafer thin veil covering the bottomless gulf of misery beneath. I don't agree with that

All I remember Sojourner saying was that life was not all that rosy before dp/dr. And I don't believe that life is completely rosy for anyone.

When I look back at my life, before the time with dp/dr I feel like life was much, much, better back than. Life was much more rosy before I got dp/dr. I was one of the most popular stoners around. After I got dp/dr, I just became a complete loser. Life was more rosy in the past, but it was never all rosy and I don't think anyone can say there life is completely problem free.

Martinelv the veil is the misery not the happiness. I bet Sojourner knows this already. She don't seem to need advice.