[Guest]

some of my friends like doing this drug, and when i asked them about what effects they felt (i think they can explain it better than descriptions on the internet), it sounded exactly like dp, but it was in casual chat, i didn't ask for a comprehensive. ketamine is a dissasociatve drug and dp/dr is a dissasociative disorder. Trying dxm brought on my chronic dp but i don't know how much is to blame on the drug, and how much is to blame for the anxiety during the trip (i got temperory dp episodes starting with pot, although i remember having 1 or 2 very minor cases as a child).

-they felt like everything was moving fast, they couldn't keep up
-choppy vision
-felt that they were sortof drunk; were watching themselves take actions.
-foggy memory

Of course, after the effects fade the return to normal. If you guys know something about this, coulsd ketamine help us?

Ketamine to help make people understand what dp/dr is.
Ketamine to help researchers understand what chemically causes dp

Think by any chance ketamine could put us in a very dissasociated state but then return us back to normal (by the brain returning to normal function after use?).

I've also heard that ketamine may be physically addictive (alters brain chemistry). Cocaine boosts dopamine(joy) levels, withdrawl causes depression. Opiates boost endorphins (relaxation), withdrawl causes tremors, shakes ('kicking the habit'). If Ketamine causes dissasociation, could withdrawl cause overt assosiation (or normal life in our case?).

 

[Da'Burgh]

That's an interesting question. I also had a bad experience with dxm that I believe led to my anxiety and panic attack (after smoking herb) and made me believe that the drug totally messed me up. I believe that after the period of being so anxious for so long about my health, the DP/DR started. The feelings of DP/DR are very similar to a dxm trip which made me even more anxious. To relate more to the post, I don't think by taking a dissociative you would make this better. I have a feeling you would just intensify this. I know I would be anxious as all hell.

 

[halcyon]

dont do ketamine!

 

[Martinelv]

don't do ketamine!

Amen to that. Ketamine (which they gave me yesterday before my spinal) is a very very powerfull tranquilizer / painkiller. Anything they use on horses is not a good idea to be pumping into your body.

It is playing with the hottest of hot fire to experiement with Ketamine, or any psychoactive drugs (illegal ones that is!) as a view to 'understanding' or 'curing' DR/DP. Besides, it's not neccessary. It can also give you major hallucinations and other terrifying experiences, which aren't really going to help someone in a fagile mental state, are they ?

But it's your choice of course. I'd advise against it, strenuously, though.

 

[Homeskooled]

They've already used ketamine for DP research. Its been known for some time now that Ketamine mimics DP and DR incredibly well - it used to be used alot for anesthesia. This is why treatment of DP with Lamictal was chosen. Ketamine happens to be a glutamine agonist - it increases brain glutamine levels, while Lamictal is a glutamine antagonist - it reduces glutamine levels. Daphne Simeon, of the Mt.Sinai DP research unit, ran the first and only clinical trials of Lamictal and its effects on DP. The end result was that after about 16 months, her patients noticed improvement of their DP by about 40 percent. When an SSRI was included, it was even more successful.

Peace
Homeskooled

 

[CECIL]

Given that its a dissociative my advice is to stay the hell away from it.

But if you absolutely must try it/research it or whatever, please educate yourself about it first: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml .

To further the discussion I want to talk about some people's experiences while on the drug. I've heard reports that when deep in the "K hole" its as though you are completely detached from your life and sort of reach a void-like state of existence where eternity seems to stretch out before you. Some people say you can perform what is called "meta-programming" (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamin ... ct_1.shtml).

Basically, you can imagine your life if you made a certain choice and see how it would play out in the future. Then you return to your current self and choose another option, seeing how that turns out and so on. Really incredible stories, though obviously you can see the addictive potential - any troubling decision and you would turn to the drug to answer for you.

 

[[rula]]

the new drug Dr. Simeon is trying out as cure for DP, due to it's relationship to Ketamine effects is Seromycin. (Lamicatal doesn't work, Dr. Simeon herself would tell you SSRI's do nothing for DP either.) I was on Seromycin for 2 weeks, and I know someone who took it for the full 8 weeks trial, it did nothing for either one of us. great news eh? :roll:

-ru

 

[agentcooper]

Given that its a dissociative my advice is to stay the hell away from it.

But if you absolutely must try it/research it or whatever, please educate yourself about it first: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml .

To further the discussion I want to talk about some people's experiences while on the drug. I've heard reports that when deep in the "K hole" its as though you are completely detached from your life and sort of reach a void-like state of existence where eternity seems to stretch out before you. Some people say you can perform what is called "meta-programming" (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamin ... ct_1.shtml).

Basically, you can imagine your life if you made a certain choice and see how it would play out in the future. Then you return to your current self and choose another option, seeing how that turns out and so on. Really incredible stories, though obviously you can see the addictive potential - any troubling decision and you would turn to the drug to answer for you.

i've heard that being in a k hole is one of the most terrifying and horrible experiences people can have. don't do ketamine.

people can't see the future and ketamine isn't going to make it possible. perhaps they imagine the future but that is something we can all do anyway (and most of us do it waaayyy to much).

 

[enngirl5]

I was watching this special on HBO or somewhere on drugs and it had these people doing Ketamine. They were documenting them partying and doing drugs. And the way they described it was that the world seemed fake. Because one of the guys was going to rehab the next day so he was partying really hard the night before. And he and his friend were all messed up on K and he looked at his friend and said, "Man, I'm going to rehab tomorrow." And the friend was laughing and he said, "Rehab isn't real." I did Ketamine once for a few days we had some, but it wasn't very strong stuff and it pretty much just made me really relaxed. I obviously don't do it now.

 

[Guest]

my friends seem to get depressed in k-holes, and they find it surprising that others willingly go into it. Yah, I think i'll stay away from ketamine, there are plenty of other drugs that i can play with

The difference with k seems to be that when parts of the brain shut off that connect to the body, the creative places and such fill up the gap and thats why people see all these crazy future/alien abduction/etc type things. but with dp i don't get any of that, i just feel like an airhead. it feels so strange trying to use my inner voice.

 

[CECIL]

Its very hit and miss. Like DXM most people absolutely hate the feeling, but others find it the best thing they've ever done - hence the addictive potential.

I'm willing to wager that having DP would make you more likely to fit into the second category (depending on how you see DP in the first place).

 

[Guest]

Speaking of pot... I don't think it increases or causes my dp. I don't think I've ever sat and conteplated meaning of life stuff while stoned. I think it has always normalized me, complete relief of depression, anxiety and stress, where as rx meds for depression do absolutely nothing at all.

 

[richiecripps]

Speaking of pot... I don't think it increases or causes my dp. I don't think I've ever sat and conteplated meaning of life stuff while stoned. I think it has always normalized me, complete relief of depression, anxiety and stress, where as rx meds for depression do absolutely nothing at all.

here heren brother. many people claim that pot caused thier dp/dr but for me if anything it helps and relaxes me out of it. when stoned i can think of things other then my dp which nothing else an make me do. maybe this is because pot is a relaxing sensation and your anxiety levels lower thus making dp non-existant (i strongly believe dp is caused by anxiety and nothing else).

 

[richiecripps]

Speaking of pot... I don't think it increases or causes my dp. I don't think I've ever sat and conteplated meaning of life stuff while stoned. I think it has always normalized me, complete relief of depression, anxiety and stress, where as rx meds for depression do absolutely nothing at all.

here heren brother. many people claim that pot caused thier dp/dr but for me if anything it helps and relaxes me out of it. when stoned i can think of things other then my dp which nothing else an make me do. maybe this is because pot is a relaxing sensation and your anxiety levels lower thus making dp non-existant (i strongly believe dp is caused by anxiety and nothing else).