[sebastian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050618/ca_pr_on_wo/us_global_warming_g8

I'm sorry for doing a whole post and run thing here, but i don't have a lot of time to get into this. Just came across this story this morning, and i had to communicate my anger to the outside world.

What is wrong with these morons? By morons, I mean Bush et. al. I hope Texas is the first to burn. Seriously, I hope temperatures become so unbearable there that it becomes inhabitable and Alaska becomes the new state of choice for Americans. Just when I was starting to get complacent about international politics I have to read something like this. What a bunch of sickening, money-grabbing, disgusting, hate-mongering, ignorant, myopic, idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A quick synopsis of the article (which is really short in any case) is that the U.S. are opposing the G8's insistence that global warming is indeed a bad thing. Idiots.

s.

 

[enigma]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050618/ca_pr_on_wo/us_global_warming_g8

I'm sorry for doing a whole post and run thing here, but i don't have a lot of time to get into this. Just came across this story this morning, and i had to communicate my anger to the outside world.

What is wrong with these morons? By morons, I mean Bush et. al. I hope Texas is the first to burn. Seriously, I hope temperatures become so unbearable there that it becomes inhabitable and Alaska becomes the new state of choice for Americans. Just when I was starting to get complacent about international politics I have to read something like this. What a bunch of sickening, money-grabbing, disgusting, hate-mongering, ignorant, myopic, idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A quick synopsis of the article (which is really short in any case) is that the U.S. are opposing the G8's insistence that global warming is indeed a bad thing. Idiots.

s.

I know.

The entire thing is insane.

I even agree with you about Texas, despite the fact that I'm in Texas.

I had hope last year, when dumbya's poll numbers were sagging.

I really thought we were going to have a new president here as of Jan. '05.

But the creep gets off his duff just long enough to turn his approval ratings around and get himself re-elected.

Spent all of last november just trying not to vomit up my entrails.

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[Ben]

Yeah, George Bush is pretty much the most worthless pile of skin and flesh that has ever degraded the name of Presidency. I am a major supporter of scientific endeavors and the pursuit of truth (not Truth) through science - and this mental midget can't seem to realize that fudging numbers and outright lying isn't a good thing.

What's worse is that this country voted him back in again - and mostly because they simply said he was "Good enough" and that he was "At least a known quantity". Basically I would rather have a Chia Pet as my president than this no talent ass clown.

The problem with people in his age group that support his actions is that they'll all be dead by the time OUR children have to suffer for their idiocy - and those in my age group that support him apparently don't like children or something as I can't seem to figure out why anyone would intentionally shit in their own front yard like that.

It's not comforting that the most militarily powerful country in the world has a President that, for all I can reason, probably needs a bib to eat.

 

[Guest]

I thought the planet had been warming up since the Ice Age

 

[terri*]

How could so many people...that voted for him...be so wrong.

Signed,

Proud to be an American,

but don't know if I'll survive the next 3 and 1/2 friggin' years till we get another chance.

3 and 1/2 friggin' years!

 

[Guest]

Well, it's clear as day to ME that the Bush Administration is scary as satan, lol....

but the more interesting point it raises in my opinion is that it forces us face-to-face with how DIFFERENT many many MANY earthlings are from us.

Most of the time, humans walk around with the happy delusion that most other humans are pretty much on the same page we are. oh, Lordy, is that just a joke.

We NEED to think it - hell, it's what most of our defenses spend their time churning out.

But then we see something like a Bush Administration live and thrive with genuine SUPPORT and fans (not victims of tyranny, but people who really and truly believe Bush is a soldier of God)., people who admire him, revere him almost....and it shakes our sense of reality to its core.

Most of us would say "okay, the man is a lunatic and he has his delusions maybe that God is telling him to do these things in Irag.." and we can acecept that - ONE madman we can handle.

But to think that (the genius) Carl Rove created a campaign that brought in the Christian Right in America to vote in busloads.....and that split the reasonably sane conservatives from the rest of the country on the Gay Marriage issue that so played on the profound beliefs and core fears of that many people that it blinded them to common sense...we cannot fathom that so many people could think SO differently from us.

Yet they do.

It also trips the fear circuit in our own psyches that maybe WE are deluded in other areas, just as vulnerable to suggestion as those people who voted Bush. We all want desperately to believe that people who LOOK sane are totally logical and rational. Oh, my.

Another lesson in Reality 101, I'm afraid.

 

[ret]

lol; nuff said.

 

[ret]

EDIT: NM

 

[dakotajo]

Bush is an obvious crooked piece of shit. I dont know if we could have a worse president. Hes thrown the whole world into turmoil. I pity future presidents, that have to try to clean up his path of destruction. Decades down the road when things hopefully calm down, the republican party will look back at bush and claim he was a saint. Like Reagen(another piece of shit), theyll want to put his mug on Mt. Rushmore.

 

[Guest]

Hes thrown the whole world into turmoil

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Might want to think about that a little harder.

 

[danny]

This more than anything in my life scares me the most. Forget terrorists, forget China, forget Russia, climate change within the next few centuries has the possibility to wipe us and all life off this planet. Heavens knows how the dumb arse American leadership can still deny that the world is not warming up, let alone that we have something to do with it.

What I'm looking forward to is when China becomes the most powerful country in the world, within the next 15 or so years. They will then be the biggest pollution admitter, then see how the US faces that. I will have not one ounce of sympathy.

The sad part is that the ones who are not polluting are the ones who are going to be hardest hit, the low lands in Bangledesh, India, Egypt etc.

And the Americans still wonder why the world does not like them :shock:

 

[Guest]

America needs to put more resources into education and alternative fuels, no doubt. I read on Reason once that every president since Nixon pledged to reduce America's overreliance on oil, but none of them have done much. Canada is much more succesful at regulating heavy industry, we should take a cue from them.

For the record, I've never been on the same page as any world leader I can immediately think of, so my disagreements with the Bush admin. doesn't bother me that much.

 

[mcsiegs]

Yeah, George Bush is pretty much the most worthless pile of skin and flesh that has ever degraded the name of Presidency. .

Couldn't have said it better myself. His own political party is finally seeing he is a jackass, too.

Cheney scares me even more.

I cannot stand Texas. I am a northeast guy, and thankfully my state voted against Bush in 04. If only Ohio to the west of me could have followed.

Whenever I see a Bush bumper sticker, I want to go up to that person and shake them and scream. Bush is a dictator. We are a hated country. Remember the old 80s movies where America was fun and everybody wanted to be here?

I believe in God and am religious, but I am not republican, nor a fanatic. I believe that the Christian right has ruined this country. I get so sick when I read "God bless America"...why shouldn't God bless everyone? If you are so saintly, and we supposedly have the concept of separation of church and state, God should bless everyone...not based on your nationality.

What I hate the most is how Bush totally goes against anything that has to do with science. Shiavo's autopsy showed that her brain was atrophied and half the size it should be. He still said he would have fought to keep her alive.

Bush should spend his life in prison for war crimes and lying to us all.

 

[terri*]

Danny...I don't wonder why the world doesn't like us. But then again, I think in the past we have had some pretty damn good moments with the rest of the world. Have we been riding on the tailskirts of the past too long? I do think we continue to have good moments around the world, but they are so minimal compared to the havoc we are reeking.

Mike...I would vote for you. Cheney scares me even more, too. :shock:

I really don't want to be hurtful towards people that "get" Bush. It's just that I sooo don't. (shoulder shrug)

 

[Dreamer]

OK, I weigh in on this dangerous topic. I'm waiting for Michael Crichton's book on global warming -- he's apparently skeptical about it. I'm not.

I also DID vote for Bush, but mainly because I didn't want to change horses in mid-stream -- during a war. I find he is embarassing, a liar, and an all around irritating person. I'm finding I don't like politicians in general.

However, we didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty a while back for the following reasons:

3 of the most polluting countries in the world will not join in the agreement. Yes, they are worse than we are:

1. China and someone else remarked they'll be the next "Empire" anyway)
2. Brazil -- has destroyed the rainforest as well
3. India

And this debate continues. Also Arab countries that produce oil -- their livelihood -- are a huge source of pollution, especially when sabotaged sp?! and pipelines are set alight for spite... I'm throwing all sorts of things in here as I remember them, forgive.

In Europe, the Green Parties of various types have had a greater influence than in the U.S. The result is a loss of industry and business and subsequent unemployment in Europe which doesn't make every European on the dole happy.

It is known that the CLEANEST fuel is nuclear. (There are homes here in my new town that are all solar. They are marvellous, but they cost several million to build). That scares me. That is a goal here that will not be easy to implement. I'm very torn.

Bottom line, as usual, it isn't ever simple.

For instance, Afghanistan, their main business is poppies/opium/drugs... that is what their economy is based upon. Another example where livelihood of a country depends upon an illegal substance.

These things aren't easy to change.

At any rate. I hate George Bush, but we are not the only countries who are not participating in the Kyoto Treaty, for the reasons stated above. It's a standoff -- economical, political, etc., etc., etc. Because of the Industrial Revolution Europe and the US polluted as it created jobs. The former Soviet Union destroyed its environment with its war machine. Subsidized jobs that ended in the disintegration of the entire economy.

OK, no more. Time for bed.
I like this forum better than above these days. And I love keeping busy. I've actually been reading the paper every day.

Reading the paper now makes me nervous. :shock:

I'm slowly building a new "nest". Not bad.

Recent Zen gem -- "After the ecstasy, the laundry"

Cheers,
D 8)
Also note, I drive a Honda CIVIC w/stickshift and get close to 40mpg.
I also try to recycle.
I also hate Bush.
We all do what we can? :?

Americans are truly irritating, but are we really the worst country in the world? Is Bush the worst President? Close, at least the worst one I can think of in my lifetime. ACH.
It just isn't that simple.
Edited too many times as I think of things I wish I knew more of in detail.

 

[Dreamer]

Why do I ALWAYS have a PS

We don't understand Global Warming. I believe it is occuring. However, when Hannibal crossed the Alps in 400 BC, there was hardly any snow on his route. I have no clue what that means, but we talked about it in an enviornment class I had once. I was a member of a PIRG -- Public Interest Research Group, related to enviornmental studies, Earth Day, etc.

Why are there more glaciers NOW in the Alps than in 400 BC.

I know I don't have this 100% correct. I'll try to find a source.

My point. Nothing is cut and dried, or simple. It just isn't.

:shock:
I'm now doomed and outta here.........

 

[Dreamer]

PPPS, to give myself some shred of credibility, LOL.

My husband works with an attorney who has adopted two Chinese children. They are adorable. She and the kids were recently back in China, in Beijing (about two weeks ago). She said it was so polluted there they had to stay indoors most of the time.

It is more polluted than when she got her babies several years ago.

Los Angeles, which is a freakin' nightmare ... glad I moved, is as pristine as Heaven compared to Beijing.

I'm not lying. Jennifer the attorney is a cool woman and a world traveler and frequent visitor to China. It's apparently a nightmare in the big city. But she wants her children to not lose their original connection to their homeland.

Edit: she is not a single working mother! Her husband is a house husband. Now that is cool 8)

 

[Dreamer]

OIY, the good the bad and the ugly...

OK: the internet has some cool stuff, now I'm on a research bonanza when I should go to sleep. And Hannibal crossed them Alps with his army and elephants in something like 230 BC... oops, LOL. Well, I tried.

Yup the US is at the top of the list by a country mile.

Definition: 1999 total CO2 emissions from fossil-fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring. Emissions are expressed in thousand metric tons of carbon (not CO2).

Amount
1. United States 1499846 :shock: CRAP!
2. Russia 392287
3. Japan 315274
4. India 293938
5. Germany 216213
6. United Kingdom 147199
7. Canada 119713
8. Italy 115371
9. Korea, South 107399
10. Mexico 103301
11. Ukraine 102158
12. France 98168
13. Australia 94008
14. South Africa 91316
15. Poland 85805
16. Iran 82269
17. Brazil 82057
18. Spain 74691
19. Indonesia 64308
20. Saudi Arabia 64249
21. Korea, North 56,946
22. Taiwan 55333
23. Thailand 54492
24. Turkey 54174
25. Argentina 37609

OK, Dreamer has left the building, on this topic at least. ACH I'm doomed.

I have to say, I don't trust the president, the government, politicians, the media, etc., etc. at all anymore. It's all "Spin City". So damned confusing I can't keep track. Wish I understood politics more. Never will.

 

[Ben]

I also DID vote for Bush, but mainly because I didn't want to change horses in mid-stream -- during a war. I find he is embarassing, a liar, and an all around irritating person. I'm finding I don't like politicians in general

Sounds to me like a good reason to vote for him, then; I usually save my vote for the most embarrasing, lying, irritating, dumbass I can. And, don't forget, this was a war HE started - and something the OTHER people wanted us OUT of. Not to mention the fact, we have had many wars in the past where our Presidents changed midstream - and sometimes for the better: your comment doesn't add up. Okay...I'm being a bit of a jerk myself, but, I'm a bit frustrated with the fact that people voted for him out of "what else do we do?". I tell you what we do - we stand up for what this country was founded on and actually make a bit of noise and tell these piles of crap that they need to stop lying to us, killing thousands, gasing our environment and generally existing with the average intelligence of a light post.

I voted for Kerry because he at least had the common sense to say that Bush was basically a houseplant with Dumbo ears. I mean, this guy is a complete wreck of a mental midget - why do we have to be RULED by someone who could be outsmarted by the pair of socks laying on my bedroom floor? Why do soldiers have to solute someone who seems determined to kill them all off? Why would I want to wave an American flag for the least democracticly minded President I have ever known in my life? I tell you what - America has lost something with this cracker jack toy of a human; he's not better that Saddam (just regulated more - I mean, he rolled into a country on false pretenses, we might as well change the name from Operation Iraqi Freedom to the Operation Blitzkrieg) - I tell you, I seriously think we have a madman as a President. Thank god for checks and balances or this world would be a crisp piece of toast by now.

There is something seriously wrong with each and every one of us if we end up voting for someone - actively CHOOSING someone - simply because we want them to finish screwing up whatever they started screwing up.

 

[Martinelv]

Oh..........my........................god.