[thatguy]

Hey guys, i've been reading alot of HPA dysfunction and its relavence to DP. It stands for hypothalimuc-pituitary-adrenal axis.

From all the studies i've read, HPA dysfunction is a characteristic finding in depersonalization. There even doing a study in New York, and testing hormones, HPA axis function in depersonalized patients and trying horomone supplementation to see its results.

Seriously guys, watch this video you'll be shocked.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1865493

From what i've learned the HPA axis is our "fear conditioned" response. It manages the secrection of hormones in stressful situations, and when you experience long bouts of stress (which is how most people got DP) the HPA axis becomes weakened from continuous secrection and the body makes itself less sensitive to the horomones secreted by the HPA axis, by desensitizing itself, therefore resulting in not responding well to our enviroments. The HPA axis is one of the oldest parts of the brain, its what helped our species survive as we evolved. It's what INTEGRATES our enviroment and determines our cognitive processes related to it. It also manages our emotions, mood, energy secretion, nervousness and appetite.

I could go on for days about it, but to summarize it, constant stress leads to constant wear on teh HPA axis, which is why when most people get DP they feel like they're going crazy, hypervigilant, over alert, then over time your HPA axis becomes weakened and you start to become very flat, empty, defensive and bland and isolate yourself, which your body naturally does to reduce stress. But most people stay home stressing, so they never recover.

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO, IT WILL BLOW YOU AWAY, SERIOUSLY, HE TALKS ABOUT PATIENTS OF HIS FEELING "DETACHED, WALLED OFF, FEELING LIKE THERE IN A CAVE, and DEPRESSED" and what supplements he gave to correct it. Accoridng to him its an easy/quick fix.

 

[kate_edwin]

Long term conditioned fear is never an easy fix…neither is something you've had for years on end…

the hpa axis is frequently studdied in trauma

 

[seeingisbelieving123]

Very right on!! On a physiological level, you can support the HPA axis with adaptogen herbs...they help modulate the stress response and help to restore balance in your system. Rhodiola, Licorice, Ashwaganda, Gotu Kola etc are just some examples. Wild Oats is also very good as a neuro restorative...of course they take time to work....up to 3 months..but nature definitely can help us along the way.
Also avoiding refined sugars and processed sugars is great..this impacts cortisol levles in the body in a negative way (cortisol secreted from the adrenals)...and sleep is also important....I try to go to bed before midnight...every hour you go to sleep before midnight gives you 2 more hours of productivity and energy in the day.
Learning to deal with stress and the fight or flight switch is another key aspect.

 

[Reborn]

Wow! Best post I've seen on here in a long time. I'm definitely going to look further into this and try out the supplements. Thanks!

 

[foghat]

That was awesome! thanks for posting. I'm gonna try to find those supplements

 

[Jayden]

I got DP after I matured and stuff. That's why I always have thought that hormones have something to do with DP. I think I am going to give these supplements a try. I got nothing to lose.

 

[foghat]

Snakeoil to sell the products from the Standard Process company he mentions?

Nah this doesn't smell like snakeoil. You don't see him holding any products in the video, nor do you see him mention the costs of the supplements that he does mention. No flashing phone numbers or specials on the screen. Last but not least, here's a link to his website. There are no products for sale on this site.

http://www.drjnutrition.com/index.html

I'm not saying this is the cure-all.....it's not snakeoil though. Sounds very practical to me. Just my opinion.

 

[opie37060]

I use standard process supplements. I am seeing a doctor close to where I live who specializes in something called asyra which is this machine that is supposed to read your energy or something like that and show what you need in your body. After the test the doctor gives me these supplements. I have been doing this for about 3 months now and have not really shown any progress. But check it out it can be expensive getting these tests done and for the supplements but anything is worth a try.

 

[cris24333]

tell me if the Hypothalmex and Hypothalamus PMG work

 

[seeingisbelieving123]

Well that would be too obvious, wouldn't it? Anyway, I hope that some of us try the supplements and tell us in a couple of months that they have been healed...

Also, the HPA axis explanation makes intuitive sense, but given that SSRIs are useless for DP, even though they are supposed to regulate the HPA axis, doesn't provide a lot of hope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic%E2%80%93pituitary%E2%80%93adrenal_axis

BTW, has anyone tried sniffing some oxytocin?

There are a lot of hormones that regulate the HPA axis, with Cortisol being a major key player (this is what we secrete from the adrenals to deal with stress and day to day living, energy etc).. Anti-depressants do not regulate the HPA axis lol !!!
There is a physiological explanation for Dp/Dr...its not intuition, its just how the body works. Keep your finger on your Fight or Flight mechanisms turned on....and your body is going to burn out.

 

[seeingisbelieving123]

I took the PMG from standard process....it helps a lot! I am 95% recovered...at the time I took it, I was bedridden!

 

[theoneandonly]

people need to try this and report back. i want to but i can't from the position i'm in.

 

[Quarter Pounder]

I took the PMG from standard process....it helps a lot! I am 95% recovered...at the time I took it, I was bedridden!

So.. fast?

I agree with theoneandonly, those who can afford it should try and tell your experiences with it!

 

[theoneandonly]

So.. fast?

I agree with theoneandonly, those who can afford it should try and tell your experiences with it!

I am also skeptical about the supplements working so fast (the guy said an hour in the video) or even working at all. from my past experience with supplements, they do not have any effect unless taken in big amounts and over a long period of time.

however, what he talks about in the video relates to DR surprisingly well. i did some research on the HPA axis and derealization and I found that "stress" was mentioned a lot, even in the wiki article. This stood out to me because I was going to make a thread here about my experience and how I may have figured out how DR works, and the main thing I was going to mention was stress and anxiety.

I might still make this thread if I have time, but we may be on to something...

 

[Jayden]

If I can find out where to buy these supplements I'll go buy all of them this weekend and then keep everyone updated about my experience.

 

[seeingisbelieving123]

So.. fast?

I agree with theoneandonly, those who can afford it should try and tell your experiences with it!

I didn't watch the video so I don't know what you mean by "so fast"....I already had previous knowledge on the HPA axis and already know how important it is in regulating the stress response, mood, sleep patterns, overall health and how anxiety and diet and previous emotional trauma impact the HPA axis.

Supplements do not work instantly. There is no instant cure. It took me about 9 months before I made a huge breakthrough....I took 3 bottles of the PMG over a period of months.....and I was on physicians choice Cortaplex.

Supplements are not the end all be all...they are just another tool to help you in your healing....but at least they assist you in what your body may be needing and pushing you in the right direction to restore balance rather than making your body completely alter a pathway in a unnatural way.

I also would look at how long you have had trauma or other issues, it does not go away over night but you can gradually take steps in the right direction.

 

[Help Wanted]

He's wearing a white suit jacket with a sticker that says he's a doctor...

I've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars with supplements that don't work. I won't be doing so again until I know they work.

 

[seeingisbelieving123]

He's wearing a white suit jacket with a sticker that says he's a doctor...

I've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars with supplements that don't work. I won't be doing so again until I know they work.

Supplements are just a tool...you have to also address the root causes....WHY DID YOUR HPA axis get out of whack???? a lot of us have a lot of emotional trauma with dp/dr. Drugs can tip you over the scale if you were already headed towards a breakdown.

Supplements have a therapeutic value that can take a while to take effect. Not all are created equally either, I can vouch that Standard Process delivers a high grade quality product. But you can give a diabetic all the insulin you want..but if they keep eating sugar and overstimulating their pancreas they are not addressing the crux of the matter. What triggered your dp/dr?

I would not play biochemist with myself either...I went to a Naturopathic doctor to get the PMG and whatever else I was on. I understand about finances ...though...a good fish oil (for the essential fatty acid component) to support the nervous system...B complex and Magnesium can be very beneficial for everyone.

 

[cris24333]

If I can find out where to buy these supplements I'll go buy all of them this weekend and then keep everyone updated about my experience.

amazon

 

[foghat]

From the Wiki article:

"Antidepressants, which are routinely prescribed for many of these illnesses, serve to regulate HPA axis function."

Looking at the prices for Standard Process products on Amazon, I think I will enter the supplements business...

I think alot of people do not realize that there is no even playing field in regards to DP. Meaning, there's not one sole thing that causes DP and there is not one common cure that cures all. Hence, those that are unsuccessful with certain supplements are pessimistic towards those who are cured with said supplements.

I do think there is one common thread amongst recovered D people.....with that being those who have an open mind. Doesn't mean you have to try everything, but those with the non-pessimistic, 'half full', open to possibility type mind do make progress...