my onset 10 months ago was also with anxiety, panic attacks and a major depressive episode. my depression is going to be better but my dp is still there.. any thoughts of this? its quite similar to your onset i thinkI have tried to help you but you rejected the help. You are complaining about emotional numbing, insomnia and loss of appetite. These symptoms sounds more like major depression. You have also been seen by a professor who have done research into depersonalization and written books about it and he have said that you do not suffer from depersonalization but major depression with secondary symptoms of depersonalization. So, you are suffering from major depression but identifies yourself with another condition. Major depression is a far more serious condition than depersonalization.
you wrote to me in the start of the summer and I replied to you that you should contact a rTMS clinic in italy that have the best equipment in all of Europe to get a treatment for major depression. It is a clinic that have rejected me and going into depersonalization likely due to many conflicting date pt. But, they would likely be open to major depression. I wrote to you that they had equipment to interventions into locations other clinics in Europe can not do because they use a deep coil despite it is not approved for clinical use, They could have tried locations like the medial prefrontal cortex that works in depression, PTSD and OCD. If that didn't work they could have tried the right Orbitofrontal cortex that works in depressive states with anhedonia. Other rTMS clinics in all of Europe do not have the equipment to do that . They have and use a deep coil and have neuronavigation. They use equipment you find in research facilities.You could open some doors with depression diagnosis you have from a professor and likely several German psychiatrists. But, you insisting on have depersonalization and not major depression is almost the largest obstacle for you getting help. You could have been on Sardinia for one month this summer and tried these locations. They would have given you two sessions a day at 100.euros session. So, their prices was also fair.
How did Jeffrey Abugel recover?
Hey everybody,
does anybody know how Jeffrey Abugel (author of "Stranger to My Self" and co-author of "Feeling Unreal") recovered from DPD?
If I remember correctly, he never revealed how he cured his DPD. In his book and in an interview on YouTube he says that he had DP for 11 years and that it took him 11 years to even get the right diagnosis (which means that he must have been cured shortly after he got the diagnosis).
I think it would be really interesting to know how he got cured.
Thank you!
does anybody know how Jeffrey Abugel (author of "Stranger to My Self" and co-author of "Feeling Unreal") recovered from DPD?
If I remember correctly, he never revealed how he cured his DPD. In his book and in an interview on YouTube he says that he had DP for 11 years and that it took him 11 years to even get the right diagnosis (which means that he must have been cured shortly after he got the diagnosis).
I think it would be really interesting to know how he got cured.
Thank you!
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my onset 10 months ago was also with anxiety, panic attacks and a major depressive episode. my depression is going to be better but my dp is still there.. any thoughts of this? its quite similar to your onset i think
well, after 10 months, i feel still anxiety sometimes, and i have slight emotions. but no panic attacks. my anxiety is 90% related to thoughts like „what if this disorder destroy my whole life" and „what if this will lasts forever".According to some texts the outset of depersonalization in its primary form is in 50% connected to a major depression and usually followed panic attacks. It was the case with me with depression for 6.month, 3.months into the depression depersonalization followed by panic attacks that made emotional numbing. In others it is just related to panic attacks without prior depression. Typically the depression will subside and the panic attacks replaced by emotional numbing that reflects the overregulation of emotions related to the panic attacks. Then there will be a pure state without symptoms of depression or anxiety and it will be depersonalization in its primary form without be secondary to another condition.
and do means the similar outset for me i will have this my whole life also?
how many people you know who tried deep tms with depersonalization disorder and has gotten better? you said anything about italy i would fly in a few weeks if the effectivity is likelyAccording to some texts the outset of depersonalization in its primary form is in 50% connected to a major depression and usually followed panic attacks. It was the case with me with depression for 6.month, 3.months into the depression depersonalization followed by panic attacks that made emotional numbing. In others it is just related to panic attacks without prior depression. Typically the depression will subside and the panic attacks replaced by emotional numbing that reflects the overregulation of emotions related to the panic attacks. Then there will be a pure state without symptoms of depression or anxiety and it will be depersonalization in its primary form without be secondary to another condition.
so you think i would have good chances with my outset of 10 months ago?One could try rTMS at the right TPJ/angular gyrus if the outset is recent, - within 5-7. years. There have been one trail at the right TPJ in 2011 and 50% had a response and it was among those who have had depersonalization the least time. The reductions was seen in symptoms related to derealisation and least related to emotional numbing. The French angular gyrus trail is just a larger replication of it. It should be published within the coming six months. That trail can be replicated without a deep coil but you likely need neuronavigation to find the location.
https://dacemirror.sci-hub.do/journal-article/cecf6c87ef47f78a30dbc4977dafe630/mantovani2011.pdf
i just found a clinic in turkey they make deep tms and have neuronavigation. there is also a professor for counseling. what you think mg? i could fly instant to turkey and its sooo fucking cheap. rtms 30 euro per session deep tms 80 euroYes, in theory. But, wait until the French trail is published as it is much larger in size and the also do a follow Up and makes some scanning in respondents and non-respondents. Much more information in that trail due to that if they follow their design. Anyway you can not get a treatment due to COVID and travel restrictions until spring. But, there ought to be a good chance for symptoms reductions. Emotional numbing should be the least affected and it might likely be related to a regulation in the prefrontal cortex that still is active. I think in those who don't respond this location might be to dominant. I have tried this location without effect. I think that the activity in the prefrontal cortex have to addressed first and this location might be more productive to try again if that happen. I don't think that the TPJ/angular gyrus is the "core location" but it plays a central role.
i could make a whole experiment with those stuff hahahahhttps://npistanbul.com/eriskin-psikiyatri/manyetik-uyarim-tedavisi-ttmu
edit: they make deep tms with brainsway. but they have neuronavigation. could that be useful?
no i dont have to wait due to covid. im turkish citizen with right of residence in germany. i can fly. first a prof would examinate me and talk with me about my symptoms. then we would decide if its worth a try.Deep tms is typically 4-6.weeks but it stimulates much deeper into the brain to structures that a normal rTMS coil can not access. There is a clinic in Palm Beach that is also a testing site for "Brainsway"and they have in some reports written that they have tried depersonalization but they have not written what they have used as intervention or if there was any positive response in those they treated. I might write to them.
this small video is about deep tms for OCD at the Palm Beach deep TMS Center about a woman having constant OCD systems related to her personality for 30.years.
but in which symptoms i have to expect an improving in symptoms with the ocd coil? one of my main symptoms is being in a dream state. and because i did it one time to overcome all my symptoms in the past just with ignoring and live life (it tooks 4 years until full recovery) i dont really make self checking. also not comparing with my former state.
yeah it sounds seriously plausible. but i have the feeling my symptoms go worse. im not really sure but my symptoms feel every week different and that makes me afraid of if it goes worseUsing a OCD coil is a experiment and you have to have read much into the disorder and brain imaging studies to see that there might be this potential relation. You can not assume they know that or will read so much into It. The reason I would wait for the French trail is because they in their design write they would do a follow up with fMRI scanners in those in the active part of the trail. They would likely look for differences in those who had a response, partial and no response. It will like point towards activity in the prefrontal cortex and likely the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex and anterior cingulate. If that is the case you would have more information to act on. The dream state is related to the right TPJ/angular gyrus but if you don't have any response from that location it will be difficult to see why today. You could try the right TPJ/angular gyrus and/or the right VLPFC now and if it not of any benefits see what the French trail will show and try "Brainsway" OCD protocol if the French trail shows the activity in the anterior cingulate and dorsomedial prefrontal cortex plays a central role in partial or non response group.
therefore i want to start a treatment as soon as possible..what you mean with no xd no for what?No, but if you want to have a intervention now then the basis are two locations based on two trails. The right TPJ and or the right VLPFC. The right TPJ and angular gyrus are the same location. This is based partially on neurological patients showing derealisation due to a tumor or seizure from this location and partially brain scans. The French trail uses the term angular gyrus term but their references are the same as the TPJ trail.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02476435
yeah youre right. they have also the h7 coil for ocd, but i dont know if they have neuronavigation. i just wrote them. they will likely have similar prices.If one looks at "Brainsway" own site over providers your clinic that you refers to should only have a coil for major depression and not OCD. They write that another provider should have both the coil/ helmet for depression and OCD. It could be an error or he just wrote some generalizations about deep tms and only have a coil for depression. The other provider they say should have a coil for OCD is this one. https://www.kemalarikan.com/
i hate my luck. one provider hasnt neuronavigation and the other not that coil.. why always me..No, there is no normal set up for neuronavigation in their pictures. It could be that they use a more primitive method that is also cheaper. That the navigation is done separately once and the location is marked with a pen and photos are taken and the mark is then refreshed every time you come.
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