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Hi.I have OCD and DP/DR disorder.I'm actually 19 years old and I'm taking therapy but It's not working for me.I'm endlessly suffering everyday so I started to think about euthanasia.Yeah maybe you start to think "Oh look he's just giving up or having depression or something like this bla bla" but let me explain.I dont think there is a treatment or a cure for OCD or DP/DR because they are chronic diseses and today's treatment options aren't a solution.They are actually making those ilnesses less worse instead of curing them.So why should I live like this with pain and suffering ? Should I start to save money for euthanasia ?
 

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I got bad ocd too. Are you talking about intrusive thought ocd and stuff? I don’t know what the bad content in your mind is saying, but it’s probably not nearly as important as you think, if at all. I’ve had ocd for awhile cuz of the fear that bad thoughts will stay and ruin my life. But if the fear is gone, then it matters not.
 

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I’m on the same boat, I’d rather have chronic dp/dr for the rest of my life without the OCD.

me and whip speak a lot about it, it’s painful.

just know that I understand you word to word, I feel every inch of pain, hang in there soldier.
 

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Oh no, I 'm sorry to hear that.... but some people do have a much better life thanks to medication or therapy, and I hope it can be the case for many people. Have you ever been prescribed any medication? And how do you feel in therapy? Do you feel like you have a good therapist? I have tried many in the past years, and I can't believe how bad some of them were. I have found a few very good ones but I could write pages about the bad ones.
For how long have you felt this level of dispair? I really hope it gets better for you.
 

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Oh no, I 'm sorry to hear that.... but some people do have a much better life thanks to medication or therapy, and I hope it can be the case for many people. Have you ever been prescribed any medication? And how do you feel in therapy? Do you feel like you have a good therapist? I have tried many in the past years, and I can't believe how bad some of them were. I have found a few very good ones but I could write pages about the bad ones.
For how long have you felt this level of dispair? I really hope it gets better for you.
Well if I'm gonna answer this question,I should tell you about my past with my therapist.Actually I was so hopefull about my situation because my therapist said derealization caused by traumatic events and he said if we can treat those traumas it will go away itself to me.So we started EMDR.But unfortunately it didnt change anything about my derealization.After EMDR,my therapist said he did everything he can and stopped therapy.I was crushed and went into hopelessness with depression and panic attacks.My parents got involved and I started therapy again with the same therapist.Nowadays my therapist saying I need to accept this situation so it will less affect my life.And about my OCD we tried CBT but CBT doesn't make those thoughts go away.It's just a anxiety reliefer.If a intrusive thought come and create some anxiety then CBT stops that anxiety but the problem is that thougt never go away even you proved it's not realistic or not making sense to the your brain .And also I'm taking medications but It dont change anything and I had to take the university exam this year and due to this I can't raise my dose because it could affect my study.As you see I'm stucked,don't know what should I do.
 

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I got bad ocd too. Are you talking about intrusive thought ocd and stuff? I don’t know what the bad content in your mind is saying, but it’s probably not nearly as important as you think, if at all. I’ve had ocd for awhile cuz of the fear that bad thoughts will stay and ruin my life. But if the fear is gone, then it matters not.
Yeah I have harm ocd.
 

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I am surprized by what your therapist said. I have definitely heard that DPDR can be caused by trauma but for sure a lot of people have DPDR and don't talk about any past trauma. It can be caused by anxiety and panic attacks themselves and these are not necessarily caused by trauma. DPDR is not very well known by every therapist even if they claim the contrary. For example, I have seen a psychiatrist who was adamant that DPDR existed only as a symptom of another disorder. Yet I read in a book by a specialist of DPDR who has worked for decades on that topic only, that DPDR can definitely be a primary disorder, and then I find many research papers saying the same since almost 20 years ago. But that therapist would say that these were wrong and vice versa. We often go to doctors thinking they know the truth, and thinking that any doctor would give the same answer since they have the same source of knowledge. But this isn't true and especially for psychiatrists or psychologists, and especially for not so well known disorders like DPDR.
In any case, I heard many people say that it is a good thing to go to different therapists to find a good one, and so far it is my experience too. And even a lot of therapist (at least the ones I have seen) say this is a good approach and encourage it. Some therapists were very bad and I am glad I didn't stay with them or think all therapists should be like that. Some gave me really bad advice or even were "toxic" people. I personally hate it when they pretend they know the problem for sure and know the solution and try to convince me they will cure me for sure when actually they are just lacking humility or just want to secure a customer. I don't need to be convinced because I am already there to try their method, but by doing that they just make people fall from a higher place when people find out their method doesn't work. Also, maybe like your therapist, they imply with this that there is only one solution, and when that "solution" doesn't work then people feel hopeless. If they expressed a little more doubt and said things like "this is one thing we can try first..." they would initiate a search for a solution instead of promissing an all or nothing cure.
Another kind of therapist that I hate is the kind of therapist that sees no emotion on your face (because you have DPDR) and concludes that you are not suffering but just "thinking too much" and they just need to tell you that you are ok and go home, it's all "in your head". And I have seen a handful like that. Even one that was actually helping me but thought that if I kept coming back was because I didn't want to accept that I was going well already, and she wanted me to stop therapy..... Some just judge people on their appearance, and even if I say something is causing me suffering they don't believe me. Fortunately some are not like that and do listen to what i am actually saying. So I found it useful so far to see several of them. Because there are many different kinds of therapists.

About harm OCD though, I do think it is possible for some people to live with some of these thoughts, as long as they are not considered as important. I have some regularly and really they are so not bothering me that I have almost never mentioned them to therapists. This last sunday, for example, I was with a friend and her 4 year old daughter that I like very much. I was eating and she was walking next to the table with her back to me, and I imagined that I could use the knife that was in my hand to kill her. There is no way I would ever do something any close to that, but I just had the thought. And it was a very vivid thought, very precise, I had the image of the exact scence, I even had the sound. I won't turn into details but it was very graphic. So it did feel digusting, but not so bothering because I think that brains do produce things that don't make any sense sometimes. Interestingly I have had these thoughts mostly about hurting people I loved. I don't know why I have them, or why people have them, maybe it is because I am afraid of not being good enough with people, maybe it is a lack of confidence in relationships that manifests in a brutal way, or perhaps with her it was the fact that she is so lovely and I don't feel I have the skills to be in charge of an important and vulnerable person (like I am afraid if i hold a baby because it's frightening to hold a life in your hands, that could manifest for me as being afraid I would drop it, intentionally or not, but the true meaning would just be that I value this life a lot and at the same time I don't feel confident), but anyway, I am a hundred percent sure I don't find anything attractive in killing people and especially the people I love. I think the thought was there for the opposite reason.
I also regularly have "intrusive thoughts" about touching people when I have a conversation with them, like touching their face, or sometimes touching them in a sexual way (and usually I find myself clenching my fingers, like as an automatic gesture to move on from the thought, which i think is also a very OCD thing). In no way I am going to do such a thing, so for me these thoughts are a minor nuisance, and I don't even try to find a way to prevent them from coming back. Maybe it would be better if they did go away, but not so much that I have spent any time trying to make them leave forever. The harming thoughts are like mental images from a horror movie, but it's just that, a movie. To me it does feel like I have the impulse to do it when they happen, but on some level I think this is not so much an impulse but the fear of impulse itself that is rising. So for me everything tends to show that there is nothing wrong with me. The thoughts probably come because I care for people in the first place, and they can cause discomfort again because I care for people. So personally i just try to be openminded with that weird aspect of what brains can do that doesn't make any sense.
But I don't know how all of this works. Maybe these thoughts could be much more powerful and could frighten me more, or I could have a lot more, I don't know. But I think that just the fact of having these thoughts per se is not necessarily a major nuisance for some people. The fear that is around them is a different story for sure. I had a friend who was afraid of being gay every time he found himself looking at another man, even in a non sexual way. It was probably just OCD. Anyway, fear of being gay is a very typical thought OCD thing, I have heard. People who don't have it can think it isn't important, or some could think it is ridiculous, but for him it was really bad, and it made him miserable, although he knew on some level it didn't make sense. So yes, it can be powerful for sure.
Oh, another thing that I hate with some therapists (sorry this is getting really long... I'm venting now....) is that they just explain to you that your fear is irrational and kind of invalidate it. It's like they were saying "your fear is irrational, now we both know it, so you are wrong for being afraid. You can go home now. You're welcome.", and that's all, they don't help you further. But people are not wrong for being afraid. It's like people who are afraid of spiders, I am sure the majority know that the spiders will not sting them. If you put a huge spider in front of me and promised this kind of spider can not sting, I would still be afraid even if I knew nothing bad could happen. So the fear is there and needs to be treated, not just rejected, invalidated or ridiculed.
Sorry this was really long, I didn't realize I would write that much when I started.
 

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I am surprized by what your therapist said. I have definitely heard that DPDR can be caused by trauma but for sure a lot of people have DPDR and don't talk about any past trauma.
what is trauma at all
 
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