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Hi rula

Yes I am still around. I can't remember the questions I asked you in the post you referred to as I am not sure how to go about finding it since I don't remember how long ago it was that i posted it. But I would be interested in hearing your answers. It probably had to do with benzos, but am not sure.

I haven't been posting much recently. I have been feeling O.K. as far as DP/DR goes but I have been somewhat depressed in recent days, mostly do to with real life circumstances. Growing old, a bankruptcy hearing coming up soon, not having reliable transportation, loneliness, and things that most people would likely feel a bit saddened by. I appreciated hearing from you. And would like to hear your thoughts to my questions.

Here is a somewhat off topic article I found disturbing for a variety of different reasons, and thought you and others here might find interesting and thought provoking as well. Particularly for parents and children here in the U.S.

Mental Health Screening in Schools Signals the End of Parental Rights
Nancy Levant

"In the 2005-2006 school year, all parents will receive written notice of new policies from your children?s schools. Many schools will ask you to sign permission slips, allowing school counselors or ?advocates? to have conversations with your children. You will be told how your local schools are now involved in vision and dental screenings, learning disabilities and speech impediment screenings, and other acts of kindness, but watch for the small print or the extra little blurb, which states that your children will also be evaluated for emotional wellness. Watch for wording like ?happiness indicators? or ?family participation.?

The fact is that our president has mandated that every American child, age 3 through 18, is federally ordered to be evaluated for mental health issues and to receive ?enforced? treatment. Welcome to President Bush?s New Freedom Initiative and New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. Welcome to life-long profiling and drug addictions, New Freedom-style.

52 million students and six million adults working in schools, according to this commission, will be tested and should flush out at least 6 million people, or shall we say new customers, who will then be mandated to receive ?treatment.? What treatment does our president?s commission have in mind? The newest drugs in the pharmaceutical pipelines, of course. The commission recommends ?specific medications for specific conditions.?

One of the state-of-the-art treatments, and most expensive, is an implanted capsule ? yes, that?s right, implanted. The capsule delivers medication into a child?s body without the child having to swallow a pill or the need for parental permission for dispensation.

The New Freedom Commission named the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) a model treatment plan. Medical algorithms are a flowchart-style treatment indicator. If you have A symptom and B symptom, take C medication. TMAP began with the University of Texas, big pharma, and the mental health and corrections system in Texas. The American Psychiatric Association concurs that TMAP is brilliant.

However, the New Freedom Initiative and Commission is a political-big pharma marriage. Many companies who supported TMAP were also major contributors to Bush?s re-election funds. For example, Eli Lilly manufactures olanzapine - one of the drugs recommended in the New Freedom plan, and furthermore, George Herbert Walker Bush was once a member of Lilly?s board of directors. Our current President Bush appointed Lilly?s chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, as a member of the Homeland Security Council. Eighty-two percent of Lilly?s $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000 went to Bush and the Republican Party. Do tell?

Texas Algorithm grossed over 4 billion dollars in 2003 and olanzapine is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris claims that 70 percent of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid. And lo and behold, guess who is now able to bill Medicaid for health services? Public schools, of course, as they are now under the big pharma-political profits/pay-back umbrella once they adopt screening policies. Public schools can now be paid to screen and drug your kids.

Now, if you ever wonder, ever again, if public-private partnerships care about people, then you need a brain transplant. Your children are now the legislated guinea pigs and lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies who bought and paid for our president?s campaign. Favors are now returned to those companies in the form of enforced, juvenile customers, their health, and their future drug addictions.

But wait, there is more. The New Freedom Commission also calls for enforced treatment. That means that parents have no rights to refuse the treatment recommenced by TMAP and other drug dispensing corporate-bureaucratic apparatuses. And as the mental health bureaucracy is also involved in this financial game of insidious cruelty, parents and families are also to be investigated via the result of their children?s screenings in schools. In other words, schools are now the across-the board, or shall I say nation, diagnostic tool for big pharma and child control.

And there?s more. The U.N. Agenda 21 has also called for total intrusion into schools and children lives. No more religion, no more individuality, no more real education, no more real grades, no more real teaching, no more teacher respect for parents, and no more truth from teachers or principals. This sounds very familiar and very political to me. And I?ve said it before, and I will say it again: if you are of a religious ilk and you refuse to allow your children to be abused by our ?educational? system, the stage is being set for you to lose physical custody of your children. I suggest that you read this: Rethinking Orphanages for the 21st Century by Richard McKenzie, ed

Still got your kids in public schools? Shame on you, and may God bless your poor children and forgive you. "

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Hi John,

very interesting and disturbing article...sadly though, Eli Lilly's strong connections with our govt. is why it gets away with a lot, including having the most dangerous antidepressant on the market. and now this.

glad to hear your dp/dr is better, so is mine. although i'm tapering off klonopin right now, and with today's cut i've taken a bit of hit.

originally u asked why I said you can't take benzos forever.

orlando said:
I have been taking Xanax for twenty years and don't feel anything negative as a result. ( I am almost sixty) Admittedly I am habituated to it.
John, I'm not going to force an opinion on you, if you feel no bad side effects, so be it. But, I think it's perhaps important, especially being a long term user, to read and understand how Benzos work in the body, particularly how they cause and aggrevate symptoms of Depression, often suicidal.

and keep in mind that many long term users of Benzos that you'll find on the benzo forum had no idea their symptoms were caused by the very pill they thought was helping them. but you know best if you're having negative effects or not; personally I had them right away.

hope you're feeling better.
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no where in the article did I see the words "only if the child was a danger", or only if the child turns into "a monster". this isn't about protecting you or me, it isn't about the few and far in between cases you mention, this is about the all mighty dollar, plain and simple. If mental health was really their concern, then perhaps more therapy is needed, more counseling, not pills.

Our current President Bush appointed Lilly?s chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, as a member of the Homeland Security Council. Eighty-two percent of Lilly?s $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000 went to Bush and the Republican Party. In case you missed that :shock:

my bf was diagnosed ADD as a child, and his parents CHOSE to not treat him with meds. I would've made that same choice too. This law takes away my/your right to make that choice. paranoid? no, perhaps just concerned about my so called "freedom".

Joe, well thank you... btw, i'll probably end up in canada soon too ;)

Sojourner, I have no interest in debating with someone who feels the need to call ppl "paranoid", "very stupid", and now "not smart", which is redundant when you think about it.

Hi Orlando,

I agree with you that benzo withdrawal/dependance is 90% mental. Ashton would say for example that if you've been taking the same dose of Xanax for 20 years, that it's no longer doing much for your anxiety. Your liver is detoxifying your body of the drug at a rate fast enough that it's effects are mostly at this point psychologically. most ppl would feel withdrawal at this point and increase the dose, but it sounds like you haven't needed to, so perhaps you don't need the xanax as much as you think.

I started out with xanax myself, the short half life of 6 hours had me on an anxiety roller coaster all day...I became depressed quickly, and agoraphobic for the 1st time of my life. I got physcial symptoms like tension headaches, tunnel vision, loss of appetite, dizziness, muscle twitching, etc...Xanax is really best suited for panic attacks, cuz it doesn't last long. so I was switched to Klonopin and basically felt like a zombie with a hangover all day long. Benzos mess with the natural sleeping cycle, so no amount of sleep ever made me feel refreshed...Cutting down my dose in a half recently made feel AWAKE again, it's like I can think straight and concentrate.


AD's benign? hardly. quoting Dr. Ann Blake Tracy - Executive Director,
International Coalition For Drug Awareness

We have witnessed no decrease in suicide, but increases in murder/suicide, suicide, unwed pregnancies, domestic violence, manic-depression, MS, hypoglycemia, diabetes, bankruptcies, divorce, mothers (parents) killing children, road rage, school shootings, cancer, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and fibromyalgia since these serotonergic drugs have become so popular and I relate it directly to the effects of these drugs.
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The 90% mental figure is for ppl who taper correctly, and gradually...I experienced severe physical symptoms when I cold turkeyed Xanax after just 3 weeks!

Everyone I know who had severe protracted symptoms, and just generally had a really hard time, were ppl who tapered too fast or went cold turkey. Ashton doesn't support any benzo long term brain damage theory, neither does Ray Nemo who runs the biggest anti-benzos forum, and he was on them for many, many years.

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