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Hi rula

Yes I am still around. I can't remember the questions I asked you in the post you referred to as I am not sure how to go about finding it since I don't remember how long ago it was that i posted it. But I would be interested in hearing your answers. It probably had to do with benzos, but am not sure.

I haven't been posting much recently. I have been feeling O.K. as far as DP/DR goes but I have been somewhat depressed in recent days, mostly do to with real life circumstances. Growing old, a bankruptcy hearing coming up soon, not having reliable transportation, loneliness, and things that most people would likely feel a bit saddened by. I appreciated hearing from you. And would like to hear your thoughts to my questions.

Here is a somewhat off topic article I found disturbing for a variety of different reasons, and thought you and others here might find interesting and thought provoking as well. Particularly for parents and children here in the U.S.

Mental Health Screening in Schools Signals the End of Parental Rights
Nancy Levant

"In the 2005-2006 school year, all parents will receive written notice of new policies from your children?s schools. Many schools will ask you to sign permission slips, allowing school counselors or ?advocates? to have conversations with your children. You will be told how your local schools are now involved in vision and dental screenings, learning disabilities and speech impediment screenings, and other acts of kindness, but watch for the small print or the extra little blurb, which states that your children will also be evaluated for emotional wellness. Watch for wording like ?happiness indicators? or ?family participation.?

The fact is that our president has mandated that every American child, age 3 through 18, is federally ordered to be evaluated for mental health issues and to receive ?enforced? treatment. Welcome to President Bush?s New Freedom Initiative and New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. Welcome to life-long profiling and drug addictions, New Freedom-style.

52 million students and six million adults working in schools, according to this commission, will be tested and should flush out at least 6 million people, or shall we say new customers, who will then be mandated to receive ?treatment.? What treatment does our president?s commission have in mind? The newest drugs in the pharmaceutical pipelines, of course. The commission recommends ?specific medications for specific conditions.?

One of the state-of-the-art treatments, and most expensive, is an implanted capsule ? yes, that?s right, implanted. The capsule delivers medication into a child?s body without the child having to swallow a pill or the need for parental permission for dispensation.

The New Freedom Commission named the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) a model treatment plan. Medical algorithms are a flowchart-style treatment indicator. If you have A symptom and B symptom, take C medication. TMAP began with the University of Texas, big pharma, and the mental health and corrections system in Texas. The American Psychiatric Association concurs that TMAP is brilliant.

However, the New Freedom Initiative and Commission is a political-big pharma marriage. Many companies who supported TMAP were also major contributors to Bush?s re-election funds. For example, Eli Lilly manufactures olanzapine - one of the drugs recommended in the New Freedom plan, and furthermore, George Herbert Walker Bush was once a member of Lilly?s board of directors. Our current President Bush appointed Lilly?s chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, as a member of the Homeland Security Council. Eighty-two percent of Lilly?s $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000 went to Bush and the Republican Party. Do tell?

Texas Algorithm grossed over 4 billion dollars in 2003 and olanzapine is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris claims that 70 percent of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid. And lo and behold, guess who is now able to bill Medicaid for health services? Public schools, of course, as they are now under the big pharma-political profits/pay-back umbrella once they adopt screening policies. Public schools can now be paid to screen and drug your kids.

Now, if you ever wonder, ever again, if public-private partnerships care about people, then you need a brain transplant. Your children are now the legislated guinea pigs and lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies who bought and paid for our president?s campaign. Favors are now returned to those companies in the form of enforced, juvenile customers, their health, and their future drug addictions.

But wait, there is more. The New Freedom Commission also calls for enforced treatment. That means that parents have no rights to refuse the treatment recommenced by TMAP and other drug dispensing corporate-bureaucratic apparatuses. And as the mental health bureaucracy is also involved in this financial game of insidious cruelty, parents and families are also to be investigated via the result of their children?s screenings in schools. In other words, schools are now the across-the board, or shall I say nation, diagnostic tool for big pharma and child control.

And there?s more. The U.N. Agenda 21 has also called for total intrusion into schools and children lives. No more religion, no more individuality, no more real education, no more real grades, no more real teaching, no more teacher respect for parents, and no more truth from teachers or principals. This sounds very familiar and very political to me. And I?ve said it before, and I will say it again: if you are of a religious ilk and you refuse to allow your children to be abused by our ?educational? system, the stage is being set for you to lose physical custody of your children. I suggest that you read this: Rethinking Orphanages for the 21st Century by Richard McKenzie, ed

Still got your kids in public schools? Shame on you, and may God bless your poor children and forgive you. "

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What is our world coming to? George Bush really is a piece of shit. They act as tho they are concerned about our children yet the hidden agenda is only money. Ive read that the pill companies have made a ton of money due to Bush. Ill pick my family up and move to Canada before they will forcibly drug one of my kids.

Hi Orlando,

Id like to know where its stated that ADs are more toxic than benzos? Ive certainly never read that before. Benzos are documented tolerance producing, addictive drugs which only treat symptoms and can actually aggravate symptoms after long term use. Ashton wont even rule out the fact that benzos may even cause permanent brain damage. From everything Ive read, ADs seem fairly benign(some will argue) and work on the true area of the brain thought to cause both anxiety and depression. Ive read that Ashton even recommends ADs as an adjunct med to help with the withdrawal from benzos. She feels that ADs are a much more intelligent approach to long term anxiety management.

Hi rula,

When I say benign, I mean that ADs dont cause any sort of known brain damage, structural or functional. or long lasting effect(some will argue this). Benzos are tolerance producing. They cause some pretty serious physical changes that ripple thru the brain. Ive read, most experts believe it takes 18 months for the brain to return to "balance" once the drug is stopped. I believe it. Some people have protracted symptoms for years and years. Some even take symtpoms to the grave which points at possible brain damage.

My withdrawal from klonopin was certainly not 90% mental. For the first 2 months off I had life threatening blood pressure that could not be controlled, intolerable skin and spine burning, seizures that I will never have to experience again unless I mess around with benzos. I also suffered from acid dp/dr , visual and auditory hallucinations and EXTREME paranoia which also went away after the first few months. The point Im trying to make is at my worst moments I cant bring any of these symptoms(and Id never want to..brrr!!). The were all caused from my rapid withdrawal from these addictive drugs. Id say your figures should be reversed. 10% mental and 90% physical.

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The last I knew, 5 years after his withdrawal, Ray still had SEVERE protracted symptoms. He always complained of daily jaw and dental pain, brain burning, intense tinnitus etc. I havent been on that site for years but the last I knew he was insistent that his symptoms were definitely caused from benzo induced permanent damage to his cns. He told me he was officially diagnosed with PWS. He even recieved a money settlement for the years he spent hopelessly addicted.

Ashton has never ruled out that benzos do brain damage. I think she weighs more on the idea that the damage is functional rather than structural and in time the brain will hopefully right itself.

Ive read that long term effects have shown that benzos may even shrink the brain similiar to what happens after long term alcohol usage. I guess it makes sense cause these drugs are very similiar in mechanism.
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