[Caio]

EI'm feeling that in a few days I'll discover that where we live is a simulation, and I'll be "rebooted", I'm afraid of a possible matrix, I'm afraid of unreality. I'm scared.

 

[NoDevils]

I felt the exact same way. I had some thoughts about God too. These faded with time. Occasionally I'll get thoughts that what I'm experiencing is actually fake, like some creepypasta story about a guy in a coma. It's hard to accept our brains are doing this, especially in cases where it's not caused by some obvious neurological disease. How long have you been struggling with depersonalization?

 

[Caio]

Eu me senti exatamente da mesma maneira. Eu também tive alguns pensamentos sobre Deus. Estes desapareceram com o tempo. Ocasionalmente, tenho pensamentos de que o que estou experimentando é realmente falso, como uma história assustadora sobre um cara em coma. É difícil aceitar que nossos cérebros estão fazendo isso, especialmente nos casos em que não é causado por alguma doença neurológica óbvia. Há quanto tempo você luta contra a despersonalização?
[/CITAR]Eu luto contra a despersonalização e a desrealização por dois meses, tem sido horrível, mas tentando sair disso, porque esses 2 meses sozinhos parecem um inferno.
Já aprendi a controlar a despersonalização, onde constantemente me sinto fora do meu corpo, vendo coisas menores e coisas do gênero, mas a desrealização é muito difícil, sentindo que não sou real ou Não estamos apavorados, mas já estive em tratamento , terapia, psiquiatra, tomando lamotrigina, Rivotril e similares.
These two months have been sad, because the fears are very strong.

 

[NoDevils]

The initial stages of this syndrome are difficult. Over time the symptoms might decrease and then persist in a lessened state. For some people the symptoms entirely go away, but acceptance is an important step in recovery. We're still capable of having a good life.

 

[coolwhip27]

I felt the exact same way. I had some thoughts about God too. These faded with time. Occasionally I'll get thoughts that what I'm experiencing is actually fake, like some creepypasta story about a guy in a coma. It's hard to accept our brains are doing this, especially in cases where it's not caused by some obvious neurological disease. How long have you been struggling with depersonalization?

After I got DP from smoking weed about 8 years ago, it led to what I thought was “enlightenment” and revolved around complex thoughts of God being reality and also an obsession with a theory about that. This journey I took all in my head was perpetuated by a lot of things I heard including music from a certain artist. Anyone selling “absolute truth” should be questioned and doubted no matter what, as per your own sanity.

 

[ameliaaria]

I don't know where this fear is coming from, but it's growing every day. I'm starting to feel like I don't know what's real and what isn't anymore. I'm afraid that I won't be able to tell the difference between reality and the simulation.

My friends seem to think that I'm overthinking things, but I can't help it. What if all of us are just computer programmes being manipulated by some higher power? What if our lives are just one big game? I don't want to think about it, but it seems like the only logical explanation.

I can feel my anxiety slowly taking over me, and it seems like there's nothing that can make this feeling go away. Every time I try to push these thoughts out of my head, they come back with even more intensity. The only thing that seems to be helping me is talking about my fears with my friends and trying to get a different perspective on things.

But even then, the fear is still there, lurking in the shadows of my mind. It's so hard to ignore the unknown and feel safe in a world that might not be real.

 

[NoDevils]

I don't know where this fear is coming from, but it's growing every day. I'm starting to feel like I don't know what's real and what isn't anymore. I'm afraid that I won't be able to tell the difference between reality and the simulation.

My friends seem to think that I'm overthinking things, but I can't help it. What if all of us are just computer programmes being manipulated by some higher power? What if our lives are just one big game? I don't want to think about it, but it seems like the only logical explanation.

I can feel my anxiety slowly taking over me, and it seems like there's nothing that can make this feeling go away. Every time I try to push these thoughts out of my head, they come back with even more intensity. The only thing that seems to be helping me is talking about my fears with my friends and trying to get a different perspective on things.

But even then, the fear is still there, lurking in the shadows of my mind. It's so hard to ignore the unknown and feel safe in a world that might not be real.

There are no proven explanations for the known universe's existence. Simulation or matrix theory simply creates more questions without proving anything. It points to remote and incalculable possibilities. It is a cosmological, teleological argument for some vague version of God. Instead of thinking of random or popular possibilities and trying to intuit whether they're real, practice skepticism. Skepticism basically is admittance that perfect knowledge is impossible. Even if we're correct about something, we have no way to be one hundred percent sure. You say the universe is probably a simulation, but you have no data to support this assertion, and isn't it contradictory to make this assertion about probability with no data? You say your anxiety is getting worse every day. Accept you exist and the universe exists even if you can't be certain about its nature, then you'll have one less thing to worry about.

 

[coolwhip27]

The are no proven explanations for the known universe's existence. Simulation or matrix theory simply creates more questions without proving anything. It points to remote and incalculable possibilities. It is a cosmological, teleological argument for some vague version of God. Instead of thinking of random or popular possibilities and trying to intuit whether they're real, practice skepticism. Skepticism basically is admittance that perfect knowledge is impossible. Even if we're correct about something, we have no way to be one hundred percent sure. You say the universe is probably a simulation, but you have no data to support this assertion, and isn't it contradictory to make this assertion about probability with no data? You say your anxiety is getting worse every day. Accept you exist and the universe exists even if you can't be certain about its nature, then you'll have one less thing to worry about.

Exact-o-mundo. Explanations for the universe can only be asserted out of thin-air, and are therefore only as useful and practical as you think they are. People like Eckart Tolle have pointed out something noteworthy about this, theres no "describing reality" as an outside observer. We are literally apart of reality, inseparable. Its thought which tricks us into thinking we've "dropped" into here and are now observing it from the outside

 

[NoDevils]

If the universe is a trick being played on us by God, we may as well have a good relationship with Him and try to enjoy life. That's what we know with the limited information at our disposal.

 

[coolwhip27]

The phrase “whatever floats your boat” comes to mind here. I think people who are bothered by the idea of the universe being some kind of evil simulation think that it’s possible for them to figure out what it is. There is actual relief in just admitting not knowing. Just to think to yourself “I really dont know” is freeing. Because you’re no longer participating in some search that won’t get you anywhere anyway

 

[Caio]

A frase “tudo o que flutua no seu barco” vem à mente aqui. Acho que as pessoas que se incomodam com a ideia de o universo ser algum tipo de simulação do mal pensam que é possível descobrir o que é. Há um alívio real em apenas admitir não saber. Apenas pensar consigo mesmo “eu realmente não sei” é libertador. Porque você não está mais participando de alguma pesquisa que não vai te levar a lugar nenhum
[/CITAR]
enho tentando fazer isso, aceite que não tenho respostas para tudo, e aceite esse sentimento, e talvez os sintomas passem.
Se a medicina e a terapia não estão resolvendo, talvez essa seja a possibilidade, aceitar que não temos a resposta, se não podemos nos apegar à ideia de nenhuma religião, como eu não posso.
Tudo fica mais difícil, pois não tenho resposta, e a falta de resposta provavelmente gera minha desrealização, o problema disso tudo é que vem com os sintomas, se era só pensamentos estava tudo bem mas não é esse caso. Faz tempo que não tenho dp/dr, achei a cura pra dp, mas não adianta, alguma coisa me segura, sabe? Mas sou persistente e acredito piamente que 2 meses da minha vida não equivalem aos maravilhosos 20 anos que vivi. Mesmo que seja uma simulação ou algo assim, o melhor a se fazer é viver bem.
But these two months have been hell.

 

[coolwhip27]

I've been trying to do this, accept that I don't have answers for everything, and accept that feeling, and maybe the symptoms will pass.
If medicine and therapy aren't solving it, maybe this is the possibility, accepting that we don't have the answer, if we can't cling to the idea of any religion, like I can't.
Everything gets more difficult, because I don't have an answer, and the lack of an answer probably generates my derealization, the problem with all this is that it comes with the symptoms, if it was just thoughts it would be fine but this is not the case. I haven't had dp/dr for a while, I found a cure for dp, but it's no use, something holds me back, you know? But I'm persistent and I firmly believe that 2 months of my life is not equivalent to the wonderful 20 years I've lived. Even if it's a simulation or something, the best thing to do is live well.
But these two months have been hell.

What do you think holds you back? Overthinking? If these thoughts built up inside you are causing you pain then you must not feed them anymore. You have to accept that the things you used to think have only hurt you so that way you won’t want to think them anymore. I don’t know enough about your struggling to be that much of help but I relate to you. What are the other symptoms like?

 

[Caio]

O que você acha que te prende? Pensar demasiado? Se esses pensamentos acumulados dentro de você estão causando dor, você não deve mais alimentá-los. Você tem que aceitar que as coisas que você costumava pensar só te machucam, então você não vai querer mais pensar nelas. Não sei o suficiente sobre sua luta para ajudar tanto, mas me identifico com você. Como são os outros sintomas?
[/CITAR]
Então basicamente meus sentimentos são que já vivi essa vida, e que vai acabar tragicamente, hoje meu sintoma maior é dejavu constante, só não consigo me controlar e faz isso que sinto justamente essa sensação de já ter vivido esta vida, já experimentou tudo o que compõe esta vida. E isso me dá muito medo.
Então hoje meu maior problema é o dejavus de 24 horas, a sensação de já ter vivido essa vida, e por fim o medo de que ela acabe tragicamente. E deixe acontecer de novo, tipo Se eu tivesse em um ciclo, nunca vai acabar. Gostar, morrer, ou acabar com a matrix e renascer de novo e ter aquela mesma vida, com os mesmos traumas, e no final, desrealização e despersonalização.
Sobre a minha história de vida, carrego comigo alguns problemas com ansiedade, e talvez pânico, mas eles ficaram em segundo plano desde o surgimento do dp dr.
And how my dp dr started, it was after the use of marijuana, I used and felt the dp dr, but it only lasted as long as the effect of marijuana was there. But after 2 months I felt dp dr again, and now I'm with her for Two months ago.

 

[coolwhip27]

So basically my feelings are that I've already lived this life, and that it's going to end tragically, today my biggest symptom is constant dejavu, I just can't control myself and that's what I feel precisely this feeling of having already lived this life, I've already experienced everything that make up this life. And that scares me a lot.
So today my biggest problem is the 24-hour dejavus, the feeling of having already lived this life, and finally the fear that it will end tragically. And let it happen again, like If I had it in a cycle, it'll never end. Like it, die, or end the matrix and be reborn again and have that same life, with the same traumas, and in the end, derealization and depersonalization.
About my life story, I carry with me some problems with anxiety, and maybe panic, but they have been in the background since the emergence of dp dr.

So these thoughts about your life being a bad matrix scare you the most? As you have this fear, does it help to know that it’s not true? Or, is it like an obsession that doesn’t matter what you tell yourself, it still bothers you no matter what? Having constant deja vu may be a scary experience. My question is, if it doesn’t help to know that what you are thinking about your life being a matrix is not true, then what would help? It sounds like you are full of fear that your life won’t change and you won’t get rid of this feeling. My advice for you is to not rationalize the feeling anymore. instead of making sense of it, find out what life would be like if it didn’t matter. Try throwing your hands up in the air and saying who cares. Because at the end of the day these thoughts and feelings are only thoughts and feelings, they are not any more than that

 

[Samzone]

I know this might not be the most popular take, but being a religious person helped me immensely with the existential part of dp/dr. The world exists authentically and everything makes perfect sense because god wills it, and god does not make mistakes.

Instead, my obsessive thinking revolves more around my own psyche and how my own mind works. So its not like i’m missing out on the existential angst 😅

My advice is to do stuff that forces you to stop ruminating. Socialize as much as possible. Force yourself to do the things you know you should be doing(work out, study, work, etc.) Get out there and do things, no matter how scary the world seems right now.

I know its not easy cause I’m struggling to heed my own advice but that is what got me out of dp/dr the first time i had it.

 

[NoDevils]

I know this might not be the most popular take, but being a religious person helped me immensely with the existential part of dp/dr. The world exists authentically and everything makes perfect sense because god wills it, and god does not make mistakes.

Instead, my obsessive thinking revolves more around my own psyche and how my own mind works. So its not like i’m missing out on the existential angst 😅

My advice is to do stuff that forces you to stop ruminating. Socialize as much as possible. Force yourself to do the things you know you should be doing(work out, study, work, etc.) Get out there and do things, no matter how scary the world seems right now.

I know its not easy cause I’m struggling to heed my own advice but that is what got me out of dp/dr the first time i had it.

Why don't you feel the same peace about your psyche as you do the external world? Didn't God make your brain too? I've read the Bible once, and it seemed to describe humans as aspects of God's plan. People are imbued with godly characteristics like benevolence and understanding. People are sometimes "sent delusions" by God that lead them astray. Everything is a part of God's plan because, like you said, he's all knowing and infallible.

 

[coolwhip27]

Why don't you feel the same peace about your psyche as you do the external world? Didn't God make your brain too? I've read the Bible once, and it seemed to describe humans as aspects of God's plan. People are imbued with godly characteristics like benevolence and understanding. People are sometimes "sent delusions" by God that lead them astray. Everything is a part of God's plan because, like you said, he's all knowing and infallible.

And that to me, this representation of God, I have come to the conclusion after much contemplation that it’s evil. The overall narrative basically fits into this box of “trust God above all”. In reality, it’s irrational and borderline damaging to think that there is some outside agency in control. The “urantia book” which is becoming more and more famous and claims to have been delivered by angels of God (it follows the same narrative as the Bible) says that we all have “thought adjusters” which are our souls and that they will leave our bodies if we reject God too much. And when they depart, it’s “recorded” in their little books that we are spiritual nothingness. It’s more complicated than that but it’s along those lines. Seriously, I’m telling you that all of this aligns to be literal deceit based on the reality we live, according to actual rationality at least

What makes it worse is that the bad guy (Lucifer) is the one who stood for “self-liberty” (in the urantia book) and that all local planets with life like humans should be self-ruling and autonomous. But the stupid angels of God sent him to prison for it. The story is flipped around, probably just to troll humanity

 

[NoDevils]

And that to me, this representation of God, I have come to the conclusion after much contemplation that it’s evil. The overall narrative basically fits into this box of “trust God above all”. In reality, it’s irrational and borderline damaging to think that there is some outside agency in control. The “urantia book” which is becoming more and more famous and claims to have been delivered by angels of God (it follows the same narrative as the Bible) says that we all have “thought adjusters” which are our souls and that they will leave our bodies if we reject God too much. And when they depart, it’s “recorded” in their little books that we are spiritual nothingness. It’s more complicated than that but it’s along those lines. Seriously, I’m telling you that all of this aligns to be literal deceit based on the reality we live, according to actual rationality at least

What makes it worse is that the bad guy (Lucifer) is the one who stood for “self-liberty” (in the urantia book) and that all local planets with life like humans should be self-ruling and autonomous. But the stupid angels of God sent him to prison for it. The story is flipped around, probably just to troll humanity

Interesting. I don't hold any of these cultish organizations in high regard. I think the Church of Scientology is the most popular example.

It's funny from an irreligious perspective, when modern people create a religion they're regarded as cultists and liars but if the same thing happened over a thousand years ago it's considered super cool. I think mainstream religions like Buddhism and Christianity survive because they have memetically adaptive traits, things about them that are "good" and perpetuate their existence. That's why Urantia is obscure and will be forgotten while the Bible will be remembered indefinitely. The Bible also has the advantage of historical relevance. Mormons are interesting because they've been able to get much broader acceptance than Scientology despite their religion's dubious beginnings.

 

[coolwhip27]

Interesting. I don't hold any of these cultish organizations in high regard. I think the Church of Scientology is the most popular example.

It's funny from an irreligious perspective, when modern people create a religion they're regarded as cultists and liars but if the same thing happened over a thousand years ago it's considered super cool. I think mainstream religions like Buddhism and Christianity survive because they have memetically adaptive traits, things about them that are "good" and perpetuate their existence. That's why Urantia is obscure and will be forgotten while the Bible will be remembered indefinitely. The Bible also has the advantage of historical relevance. Mormons are interesting because they've been able to get much broader acceptance than Scientology despite their religion's dubious beginnings, maybe having an advantage because they're Christian and more normalized.

Yes, because the words on paper were written a long time ago it gives it more credibility. That’s just human stupidity, as it becomes a tradition over years and years and people are led by the nose by it more and more its seen as more powerful. In my opinion, it’s all a big lie, whether the lie came from evil aliens trying to fuck with us or just a clever scheme made by other humans. I actually feel 100% inside myself that it’s only meant to lead people astray. Ask yourself what it means to actually BELIEVE something like the Bible, putting a fable higher than your own understanding of reality. It’s kind of scary to me because I noticed personally how my belief was driven by fear. “If I don’t believe this book that millions of others do, the book says I go to a bad place when I die. So if I question it Im at risk”
Just look at the facts of humanity’s own ignorance and what a reaction to reading something like the Bible would be for such ignorance. We come into this world and know we have to die but we don’t know what death is. The Bible offers a way out, but once you’re roped into believing the good parts you have to believe the rest of the story (bad parts). Hellfire and brimstone to all those who reject it. Oh no! It’s such a joke. The wise know how irrelevant superstitious belief is to our lives

 

[NoDevils]

Yes, because the words on paper were written a long time ago it gives it more credibility. That’s just human stupidity, as it becomes a tradition over years and years and people are led by the nose by it more and more its seen as more powerful. In my opinion, it’s all a big lie, whether the lie came from evil aliens trying to fuck with us or just a clever scheme made by other humans. I actually feel 100% inside myself that it’s only meant to lead people astray. Ask yourself what it means to actually BELIEVE something like the Bible, putting a fable higher than your own understanding of reality. It’s kind of scary to me because I noticed personally how my belief was driven by fear. “If I don’t believe this book that millions of others do, the book says I go to a bad place when I die. So if I question it Im at risk”
Just look at the facts of humanity’s own ignorance and what a reaction to reading something like the Bible would be for such ignorance. We come into this world and know we have to die but we don’t know what death is. The Bible offers a way out, but once you’re roped into believing the good parts you have to believe the rest of the story (bad parts). Hellfire and brimstone to all those who reject it. Oh no! It’s such a joke. The wise know how irrelevant superstitious belief is to our lives

With religion and its problems we face a choice whether to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm inclined to throw fundamentalist Abrahamic religions away. I've also been turning away from New Age spiritualism though I'm much more sympathetic to it. Religion certainly has good elements and I wish we could isolate them from the bad but I'm not sure it's currently possible. One thing religious people say that's accidentally true is when we give up worshipping Christ we have a tendency, just a tendency, to engage in religious thinking about other subjects. I call this pseudo religion. We see pseudo religion all the time with science worship and political ideologies. The human mind is so susceptible to dogma, even an atheist.

You might notice churches and similar nonprofit organizations create a safe place to be with your thoughts and contemplate existence. I want that type of institution to exist without religion and pseudo religion. When I was a child my backyard was that place but adulthood has been so different, so full of senseless problems that get ignored.