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[Guest]

not good Wendy,not good at all.Poor guy.
These are dangerous times.

As for your 911 day theory,I wonder how the Bali bombing and the two Jakarta bombings tie in.
I thought that I was onto something because the America attack happened on the 11th of Sep and Bali was on the 12th of Oct.
I was convinced the next one would be on the 13th of Nov???

 

[Guest]

I was convinced the next one would be on the 13th of Nov???

Shelly. We'll have to wait and see lol. I dont know, but there seems to be a thing with days and dates and so on.
We can sort it out being the detectives we are..lol

Ofcourse it could all be coincidental. But maybe there ARE patterns.

Sherlock :wink:

 

[Revelation_old]

Ofcourse it could all be coincidental. But maybe there ARE patterns.

Awhile back there was a hoax that 911 is in the Koran and was a prophecy

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Koran ( 9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a<br />
 fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands<br />
of<br />
 Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more<br />
 rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and<br />
there<br />
 was peace.<br />

It actually reads:

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Koran 9:11 "But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and we make the communications clear for a people who know."

I don't believe in these 'patterns' personally

 

[Guest]

Theres wars going on every day, ive come to realize that War & Violence is just a way of life and it always has been and always will be. Terrorism will never end. Also i don't think this is the best time for ANYONE to be making negative movies about Muslims seeing as a large portion of terrorist groups are infact Muslim.

 

[gimpy34]

It's a different world than it was 10 years ago. These Muslim fundamentalists now have all sorts of communicative resources at their disposal than they used to. They can organize, plan and do it with precision. It's scary.

Eventually, these terrorists are going to keep pissing off the wrong people. It's not just the U.S. Spain has taken a more aggressive stance since those bombings. Look how Russia has changed positions ever since that school hostage situation a couple of months ago. Putin has nearly done a 180. Now, they're going after some stoned Dutch guy (kidding).

 

[Guest]

I am hardly an expert in religions. However, it should be obvious to anyone even remotely familiar with the Muslim faith that, that particular religion preaches peace. The Muslim "fanatics" are not acting in the name of Allah. Rather, they are acting out of hatred and personal agenda - hiding behind their religion. The fact that there are so many "terrorists" from the Middle East is more a result of other cultural factors. And remember, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Take the Israeli government, for example. Middle Eastern country, non-Muslim, and yet perhaps the most active terrorist organization in the world. Openly sponsored by the United States - mostly for military reasons (we need a presence in that area).

Nothing is new under the sun. Terrorists, freedom fighters, fanatics, whatever you want to call them, have been around since the beginning. You take one out and ten more will rise in their place. It's not new, and it won't stop. The only surprising thing about it is that the U.S. has been soooooo lucky. So far.

 

[Dreamer]

I am hardly an expert in religions. However, it should be obvious to anyone even remotely familiar with the Muslim faith that, that particular religion preaches peace. The Muslim "fanatics" are not acting in the name of Allah. Rather, they are acting out of hatred and personal agenda - hiding behind their religion. The fact that there are so many "terrorists" from the Middle East is more a result of other cultural factors. And remember, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Take the Israeli government, for example. Middle Eastern country, non-Muslim, and yet perhaps the most active terrorist organization in the world. Openly sponsored by the United States - mostly for military reasons (we need a presence in that area).

Nothing is new under the sun. Terrorists, freedom fighters, fanatics, whatever you want to call them, have been around since the beginning. You take one out and ten more will rise in their place. It's not new, and it won't stop. The only surprising thing about it is that the U.S. has been soooooo lucky. So far.

Agreed. I'll buy all of this. There are extremists in EVERY religion. There are so many sects that break off from the "mother" religion it makes one's head spin.

And religious pundits argue the meaning of religious texts... the Bible for goodness sake.

Extremests, zealots in any form -- political, religious, etc. -- are trouble, but they've always been out there.

Wendy I'm sorry to hear about that documentary maker. I did read a brief blurb about that.

And people forget, we are very lucky here in the US, but the WTC was attacked in 1993... a truck bomb that did far less damage.

Ah, and re: the numerical projections. I don't really buy that myself. Problem, sometimes these plans have to be scuttled at the last minute. And we know that one of the planes, possibly headed for the White House, was brought down by the passengers. Don't think the hijackers anticipated that.

If we found a numerical pattern, we'd be way ahead of the game.

Also, it's my understanding that there is a LOT of stuff going on that we simply can't hear about... intelligence, counter intelligence, etc. How can we reveal our actions ahead of time if we get a tip from a reliable source. And what if we act incorrectly with an unreliable source. There really is a James Bond game going on out there as well.

It's a mad world.
One day at a time.
I'm afraid to sleep, perchance to dream tonight.

Peace,
D

 

[Guest]

I hope it wasn't Lars Von Trier. Not even sure if hes Dutch, but that would suck if he died.

 

[Mies]

No, it was Theo Van Gogh.

The relationship between the dates isn't correct (sorry). 6th of May, Pim Fortuyn was shot, 911 days ago. Pim Fortuyn was also a dutch politician, with strong feelings about (against) foreigners living in Holland. Theo van Gogh was not only making a film about the islam girls being abused (using Koran quotes to justify the abuse), but also on the life of Pim Fortuyn.

Freedom of speach is one of the biggest values in a democracy, and we have all learned that words should be acted upon with words, not violence or weapons. Islam countries in trouble, fi Iraq, are an exception to that rule. If official investigations show that there are no nuclear weapons in Iraq, and as a "reward" we start bombing them, how are we supposed to expect that they will live by our rules, if we aren't even doing it ourselves?

They have got nothing, hence they have nothing to lose. They become so desperate, that they are willing to sacrifice their lives, because at least it will bring them and their families in paradise. It is the only voice they have the West will listen to.

I'm not saying they are right. I'm not saying we're wrong. But just as we have been misled and manipulated by our religion in the past, and in the present, they are experiencing the same.

There's difficult times to come...

 

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[person3]

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[person3]

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[person3]

*ahem*

Thank you for your time. :wink:

 

[Guest]

Yep. Thanks for re-electing Bush by the way. Just what we need is a mentally unstable bigot. You're just what this world needs! Thank you for existing.

 

[gimpy34]

Get over it, Ziggs. It's over. If the democrats want to achieve anything over the next few years, they need to start working with Republicans. The Democratic party in itself is such a hodge-podge of people anyway, they need to show they can also represent the "heartland" instead of bitching about how dumb people in Kansas and Oklahoma are. Person 3, not the choice of words I would have used but yes, the muslim extremist terrorists are worthy of contempt.

I don't know if you saw this in the papers today but the doors were blown off of a Muslim elementary school in The Netherlands, which many think is a counter-reaction to the death of Theo Van Gogh. I don't think there were any casualties or injuries (could be wrong), i just think the doors were blown off. Any thoughts?

 

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[Guest]

I'm just very surprised and disappointed at the american public for this election. I backed George Bush over Gore in 2000. My values are a mixed bag all over the political spectrum. Oh, and after the left is done moping over the election, they'll be quite bent on activism and civil disobience. Ready for 10 more Michael Moore documentaries? Anyone here of any age and experience will understand that the United States is very polarized right now. I'm more or less in the middle and I have to lean towards the democrats. Well, lean quite a bit.

Okay, Bush can't speak: What does that have to do with his policy? Nothing. Bush was right about overthrowing Saddam Hussein. He totally screwed the entire operation up, but the basis for this foul-up is in the past. Sure, the war continues, but Kerry and Bush's plans for Iraq are virtually the same.

I see no major change in policy in the upcoming 4 years whether of not Kerry or Bush is in office. I consider myself part of the human race well before I consider myself to be an American. Nationalism is very unhealthy. Putting the world above America first, I realize that the world is losing its faith in the United States. Bush is representative of the United States' diplomatic failures, not just in his term, but even since Vietnam.

He represents us as a people, and we cannot have this man appeal to the far right while moderates like myself are partially represented and fledgling minorities, and the left are left high and dry.

Does anyone else see the insanity in this? I would move to the UK or Canada if I didn't decide to stick around and see if my voice and opinion could make a difference. I'm beginning to think this election led us into the point of no return. :x

 

[gimpy34]

Some people will disagree with me on this, but I have actually been saying for months now that Bush will end up raising taxes in a couple of years, once the economy has stabilized which it kind of has already. If his idol Ronald Reagan could do it three times, so could he. Republicans are generally united on tax cuts, but having different tax brackets that disproportionately favor lower incomes is really what chaps people's asses. The rich, of course, pay more because they make more money. To boot, there are also tons of other taxes they have had to pay in the past which don't apply as much to the poor, like higher property taxes for living in nicer residential areas, inheritance and estate taxes, double taxation of dividends and capital gains. Nobody likes DEALING with taxes. It's always frustrating.

Another point. In an economy that is now 90% service oriented, the goverment's ability to create jobs isn't what it was 50 or 60 years ago. Leaving things up to the private sector is the future now. The government can redistribute wealth all they want to, but nothing they can offer will amount to what a job can offer. That goes for health care, too.

I have had a confidence that once we are some ways into his second term, he will start to bend on some of the more liberal social issues (which is more where I stand). With the stem cell research proposition supported in California (under a republican governor), there will be more and more pressure for him to cave. I think he has had to stick to his guns (anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage) for the past few years to not alienate his voting base. As polls have indicated, this country is divided mainly on morals and the war. The war we have to keep fighting so he isn't really going to win people over that way. One way he could tame some of his rabid opponents is to approve stem-cell research which I think will happen within a few years. If they can allow abortion, they can allow stem-cell research. I don't think gay-marriage is going to happen any time soon.

He knows the country is polarized, and now that the election is over, he can finally start addressing some of these issues (and will be pressured to do so). Not everyone in the Republican congress and Senate is Christian fundamentalist so don't think they will be able to pass right-wing, Christian conservative legislature, even with the republican majority now.

And for anybody who thinks, even with new Bush appointed Supreme Court justices, they could ever overturn Roe v. Wade, you are crazy. Those guys have one boss, and that is the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Guest]

As far as gay marriage, abortion, and stem cell research is concerned, i'll be very angry with the bush regime if they attempt to nationalize their own beliefs. I'm not gay, I don't plan on having an abortion, therefore I refuse to pick sides on either of those issues but we should allow federalism to continue (allowing state discretion on these issues). I back stem cell research 100%. If the blue states want to allow these institutionalized acts, then we should accept that. Tennessee for instance will most likely not allow any of this so it shouldn't concern you. Guess it could be a hard pill to swallow for some though.

West Europe is much more liberal than the most liberal states (California, Massachusetts). If the right can ignore their practices, then why not accept the state rights. Hopefully Bush will just let things be in this situation.