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Is it possible that someone can have DP/DR from the age of 7? Or is this an illusion I have?
DP/DR at a very early age: possible?
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Is there any I can determine if it is so?
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·i really cant remember anything from age 0 - 4 and maybe i had dp at an early age
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·I think I have...Not anxiety and panic attacks etc. It just feels like I've always felt like I'm watching something on TV or something.
So confusing.
So confusing.
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LOL, no there isnt any way that you can determine this, and frankly, I dont think it serves any useful purpose. Honestly, I can remember episodes dating back to 5 years old, although 24/7 didnt hit me until 16 years of age.
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The reason I say it is possible is because I went through this for a bit a at very early age in my life, as early as eight years old. It went away and returned later on in life. This can happen when there is trauma in one's life, in my situation this was the cause. Emotional trauma. I can honestly that yes it does happen at an early age. I believe it can happen at any age young or old.
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·I'm currently trying to determine if I hve any 'hidden' emories that might have caused this...
Pissing in the wind, maybe - but I just have to know...
Pissing in the wind, maybe - but I just have to know...
I believe that those of us here have a greater tendency, or greater "ability" to dissociate. I have heard the young son of a friend understand my DP COMPLETELY, "Oh, yes I've had that a lot" -- but as he got older it passed -- has never been limiting socially or occupationally. He is now doing very well at university.
His mother on the other hand has no clue what he or I are talking about, and claims she's never even experienced deja-vu, which I thought EVERYONE has experienced.
I know for certain, as a child of 4, whenever I had a concept of SELF, and a concept of NO SELF (the concept of death), I started "playing with the sensations" of DP/DR. I could bring it on, and make it go away -- say for 20 minutes at a time.
Then as an adolescent I got socked by DP/DR that was out of control -- I believe the result of chronic anxiety and depression I had since a child. (I recall onset of that in second grade at about age 6/7/8)
For those of us here who have had onset of chronic DP/DR, I believe in the majority (not every case), we had a greater ability to dissociate from very early on, were more anxious, etc.
In some with drug onset, that may be a different kettle of fish, yet I think said individuals were more prone to have a negative reaction to the drug experience than others.
I can't imagine a baby having DP/DR. And that we will never know. But I don't see an infant as having the capability to contemplate the concept of death and SELF. However, I may be very wrong.
But say with autistic children, there seems to be a "time frame", a window of opportunity that presents itself in ALL people, for the onset of a mental illness. Teens (whose brains change again -- as many changes as the developing infant's brain I believe) are susceptible to the development of pathology.
Oh, and as far as Autism, I have heard a number of cases (but am no expert) of parents noting that the autistic child is "perfectly normal" at least through the first year of life, perhaps longer,then suddenly fails to develop further socially and begins to turn inward. My sense is a bad gene kicks in at a certain part of development, or certain changes in the developing brain unleash that state of cognition.
I may be dead wrong, but I am more and more confident of this as time has gone on.
It is not a popular POV. But I don't think it removes the spiritual from our lives, the parts of us that make us all unique and special individuals. But I see mental illness as pathology or physical illness that CAN be treated with all manner of therapy.
THere is plasticity to the brain. And just as physical therapy can improve the stroke patient's mobility, so can reconditioning of thinking patterns change the brain.
I still think neurologists are only beginning to understand all of this. In 100 years, we may be a little further ahead, but we have to remember that the concept of sterilization of surgical instruments wasn't understood until when? the 1800s? That ISN'T that long ago.
Medicine is continually evolving.
Only time will tell if I'm full of it, LOL
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His mother on the other hand has no clue what he or I are talking about, and claims she's never even experienced deja-vu, which I thought EVERYONE has experienced.
I know for certain, as a child of 4, whenever I had a concept of SELF, and a concept of NO SELF (the concept of death), I started "playing with the sensations" of DP/DR. I could bring it on, and make it go away -- say for 20 minutes at a time.
Then as an adolescent I got socked by DP/DR that was out of control -- I believe the result of chronic anxiety and depression I had since a child. (I recall onset of that in second grade at about age 6/7/8)
For those of us here who have had onset of chronic DP/DR, I believe in the majority (not every case), we had a greater ability to dissociate from very early on, were more anxious, etc.
In some with drug onset, that may be a different kettle of fish, yet I think said individuals were more prone to have a negative reaction to the drug experience than others.
I can't imagine a baby having DP/DR. And that we will never know. But I don't see an infant as having the capability to contemplate the concept of death and SELF. However, I may be very wrong.
But say with autistic children, there seems to be a "time frame", a window of opportunity that presents itself in ALL people, for the onset of a mental illness. Teens (whose brains change again -- as many changes as the developing infant's brain I believe) are susceptible to the development of pathology.
Oh, and as far as Autism, I have heard a number of cases (but am no expert) of parents noting that the autistic child is "perfectly normal" at least through the first year of life, perhaps longer,then suddenly fails to develop further socially and begins to turn inward. My sense is a bad gene kicks in at a certain part of development, or certain changes in the developing brain unleash that state of cognition.
I may be dead wrong, but I am more and more confident of this as time has gone on.
It is not a popular POV. But I don't think it removes the spiritual from our lives, the parts of us that make us all unique and special individuals. But I see mental illness as pathology or physical illness that CAN be treated with all manner of therapy.
THere is plasticity to the brain. And just as physical therapy can improve the stroke patient's mobility, so can reconditioning of thinking patterns change the brain.
I still think neurologists are only beginning to understand all of this. In 100 years, we may be a little further ahead, but we have to remember that the concept of sterilization of surgical instruments wasn't understood until when? the 1800s? That ISN'T that long ago.
Medicine is continually evolving.
Only time will tell if I'm full of it, LOL
Peace,
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i had my first panic attack when i was 7.....i felt "out of it" for about 30 minutes after it but never knew why......when i got older and had attacks again my sister use to take me for a walk in the cold air and it use to bring me round.......i never knew the terms for what i was experiencing but know after suffering 16 months 24/7 i am aware that back then i had brief dr episodes through the panic attacks.....i'm a bit worried at the moment as my daughter who is 7 is starting to have panic attacks about her heart stopping.....i really don't want her to experience this
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In reply to Dreamer:
About people describing stuff:
There is something that can proove a problem, sometimes. People are subjective factors. Each one of us uses the words and meanings of a language differently. The problem gets bigger when some of us (including me) does not speak English natively. Thus, we may have some trouble in communication when talking about such issues that require a very delicate handling of language. The usage of standard terminology seems a good idea to avoid problems in communication, given, of cource, that we all understand the terms as psychiatry defines them; which can be tricky.
I try hard to be descriptive and clear in my posts, but I can't get the same clearness I get in my native Language. Of cource, not even in my native language I can describe entirely what I want, but I almost "touch" it at 90%
About DP/DR in young ages:
It is possible that my current state (which is not prooven yet to be DP or DR) could have influenced me in such a way that memories of the past could appear weathering. So I could just having this illusion that I had DP or DR at/from the age of 7.
Having DP/DR sometimes is just annoying (like it is in me in the last 6 months) or devastating. That young boy could just had the annoying thing. Maybe, sometimes, when you are very young, DP/DR appears to be a natural state (since you don't remember feeling any better), and thus you don't get anxious on how you could dispose it; and utlimately, you get to dispose it by just ignoring it. Soungs very para-psychology, doesn't it?
As for babies and inflants, maybe DP/DR has more sides that we already know. Maybe there are some kinds of DP/DR that do not require an "amount" of conscience. That sounds para-psychology too
Your website was the first thing I saw in August when searching for this thing online. Very helpful.
In reply to dreamcatcher:
My humble opinion is that the reason that a person reacts by getting into DP/DR state is (a) because his mind finds this as the best "way out" of the situation, and (b) because the situation seems that requires to find a "way out".
About people describing stuff:
There is something that can proove a problem, sometimes. People are subjective factors. Each one of us uses the words and meanings of a language differently. The problem gets bigger when some of us (including me) does not speak English natively. Thus, we may have some trouble in communication when talking about such issues that require a very delicate handling of language. The usage of standard terminology seems a good idea to avoid problems in communication, given, of cource, that we all understand the terms as psychiatry defines them; which can be tricky.
I try hard to be descriptive and clear in my posts, but I can't get the same clearness I get in my native Language. Of cource, not even in my native language I can describe entirely what I want, but I almost "touch" it at 90%
About DP/DR in young ages:
It is possible that my current state (which is not prooven yet to be DP or DR) could have influenced me in such a way that memories of the past could appear weathering. So I could just having this illusion that I had DP or DR at/from the age of 7.
Having DP/DR sometimes is just annoying (like it is in me in the last 6 months) or devastating. That young boy could just had the annoying thing. Maybe, sometimes, when you are very young, DP/DR appears to be a natural state (since you don't remember feeling any better), and thus you don't get anxious on how you could dispose it; and utlimately, you get to dispose it by just ignoring it. Soungs very para-psychology, doesn't it?
As for babies and inflants, maybe DP/DR has more sides that we already know. Maybe there are some kinds of DP/DR that do not require an "amount" of conscience. That sounds para-psychology too
Your website was the first thing I saw in August when searching for this thing online. Very helpful.
In reply to dreamcatcher:
My humble opinion is that the reason that a person reacts by getting into DP/DR state is (a) because his mind finds this as the best "way out" of the situation, and (b) because the situation seems that requires to find a "way out".
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·I had my first DR "experience" when I was about 8-10 years old, so it's possible.
I've had fuzzy 2D type vision for as my living memory serves me -- a delay between what I see, and what seems to be going on in the 'real' world.
Over the last year I've been working with Holosync style binaural sounds and my vision has improved about 10,000% . It's the only thing I've tried that has had any real effect on my incapacitating sezuire-like DR - and flouro lights no longer cripple me as much either.
The world now looks freakish in 3D. It's like all my memories and associations/schemas were constructed with a 2D picture, and now the 3D version of me doesn't seem to fit the old 2D version.
When I get my head together I'll try and explain more about what's been going on.
Over the last year I've been working with Holosync style binaural sounds and my vision has improved about 10,000% . It's the only thing I've tried that has had any real effect on my incapacitating sezuire-like DR - and flouro lights no longer cripple me as much either.
The world now looks freakish in 3D. It's like all my memories and associations/schemas were constructed with a 2D picture, and now the 3D version of me doesn't seem to fit the old 2D version.
When I get my head together I'll try and explain more about what's been going on.
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·Can you elaborate on that please?eldoofus said:
I must warn you that this is VERY powerful stuff. Many Doctors and therapists swear by it.
Here's a place to start:
http://www.centerpointe.com/onlinebooks ... ciples.pdf
http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=articles
http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq
You should be aware that if you are having problems functioning then listening to Holosync style soundtracks could make your problems far worse in the short term: there should be a serious warning about this... I've heard reports about people legal action againts CRI because of the negative side effects.
You could also check out http://www.bwgen.com
All I can say is that binaural type therapy seems to work in the LONGTERM, but it also puts your mind completely through the wringer. People are getting really good results with things from ranging from bi-polar disorder, depression, anxiety... pretty much anything made worse by stress.
PM me if you'd like more documentation on Holosync, and how to create Holosync style soundtracks with BWGEN.
Don't be sucked in by CRI Holosync's aggressive marketing propaganda -
I recommend the Awakened Minds Insight CD before purchasing anything from CRI - although, Bill Harris's "Thresholds of the Mind" is worth a read.
Here's a place to start:
http://www.centerpointe.com/onlinebooks ... ciples.pdf
http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=articles
http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq
You should be aware that if you are having problems functioning then listening to Holosync style soundtracks could make your problems far worse in the short term: there should be a serious warning about this... I've heard reports about people legal action againts CRI because of the negative side effects.
You could also check out http://www.bwgen.com
All I can say is that binaural type therapy seems to work in the LONGTERM, but it also puts your mind completely through the wringer. People are getting really good results with things from ranging from bi-polar disorder, depression, anxiety... pretty much anything made worse by stress.
PM me if you'd like more documentation on Holosync, and how to create Holosync style soundtracks with BWGEN.
Don't be sucked in by CRI Holosync's aggressive marketing propaganda -
I recommend the Awakened Minds Insight CD before purchasing anything from CRI - although, Bill Harris's "Thresholds of the Mind" is worth a read.
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·I've started to dissociate as a post-traumatic reaction, I think, as a result of repeated sexual abuse when I was 10, though I had my first panic attack only at 16. Some people seem to have DP/DR for no particular reason. Your mileage may vary.
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·Nice one, thanks mate!! Bit too tired to read it now but I will!eldoofus said:
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ive had this since birth. i know this cause my family has confirmed it. they thought i was retarded cause i wouldnt cry and was very listless. in all my baby pics my eyes are vacant and my tongue is hanging out.
Is that what a person with DP looks like, is that what i look like?
Yeesh! :shock: :?
I dont know about babies having it, id be pretty skeptical about that. Im sure when babies are born everything looks and feels pretty crazy naturally (maybe the trauma of birth could cause DP/R? ) and without much of a mind to speak of its hard to imagine how such a disorder would manifest itself early on. 'I' is a language construct (or signifying language user), debatably.
Having said that, i have early memories of DP/R, i would say between 5-7 (no earlier than when i first started school, no later than when i moved home at seven) so i know its possible at an early age. Of course it wasnt necessarily as profound then (i wouldnt expect it to be), but it was maybe just as disturbing as it is now. I do have the impression that it was much less of an issue, that i had it under control to some extent during the years of my childhood, in fact i can hardly remember any episodes when i was eight, nine, ten or eleven. Things seem clearer and more vibrant in my childhood memories but then old people often describe such a feeling (well im 21, not that old) so it might not be entirely DP/R related.
So yes, i also believe its possible
Yeesh! :shock: :?
I dont know about babies having it, id be pretty skeptical about that. Im sure when babies are born everything looks and feels pretty crazy naturally (maybe the trauma of birth could cause DP/R?
) and without much of a mind to speak of its hard to imagine how such a disorder would manifest itself early on. 'I' is a language construct (or signifying language user), debatably.Having said that, i have early memories of DP/R, i would say between 5-7 (no earlier than when i first started school, no later than when i moved home at seven) so i know its possible at an early age. Of course it wasnt necessarily as profound then (i wouldnt expect it to be), but it was maybe just as disturbing as it is now. I do have the impression that it was much less of an issue, that i had it under control to some extent during the years of my childhood, in fact i can hardly remember any episodes when i was eight, nine, ten or eleven. Things seem clearer and more vibrant in my childhood memories but then old people often describe such a feeling (well im 21, not that old) so it might not be entirely DP/R related.
So yes, i also believe its possible
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