[fieldsmatt31]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=DP+recovery

 

[Sun Yata]

^ this is a great conversation, from 9:00-22:00 he describes the practice of transforming your inner pain.

This is the practice i did daily for many years that transformed the DR symptoms in me. I feel it has the potential to help people here. Cheers

 

[PerfectFifth]

I think this space is becoming quite toxic tbh, the rudeness to people who come back to share their recoveries, and then people wonder why we don't hear back from some people?

Hmm, I wonder why that is. When you have people saying stuff like "just toughen up, bro!", to people who have had chronic DPDR for more than a decade, it shouldn't come as a surprise when that isn't well received. The problem with these "I have discovered the one and only true cure" people is that they really push it as some universal truth. Like all you've got to do is A and B, and you'll be 100% cured because that's what worked for THEM. It's a failure to appreciate that there may be multiple causes for these symptoms, and thus pushing one approach as the definitive one-size-fits-all, "just forget about DPDR!", cure is unbelievably narrow-minded.

I have no problem at all with people who come to post their recovery stories. More power to them. What I do have a problem with is when someone comes here to push their approach as the ultimate cure as if they actually knew the biological abnormalities that cause DPDR and the mechanism of why this method works. There's a certain arrogance to it.

X worked for you? Great! You've shared your story; you've made a positive contribution. That doesn't mean you should now get intoxicated on your discovery and start rubbing it on everyone's face here on the forums as the True Cure™ and lashing out at anyone who dares challenge your claim. There is the difference between someone reasonable and someone who becomes fanatical about their being cured by some method, to the point that they fail to see that perhaps everyone's case is not exactly like their case.

https://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=95110

This is an example of a non-toxic recovery thread. The person isn't trying to push something on others aggressively but just shared his/her own story. But look, even HERE we have fieldsmatt31 using this innocuous, impartial thread as a springboard for pushing his own meditation/yoga/toughen up/self-improvement/etc agenda even though the thread wasn't even asking for any such advice. Hell, it's about someone who RECOVERED, and yet there's a True Cure™ pusher in the thread. So who's the toxic one again?

 

[REB]

Just lift, bro.

 

[PerfectFifth]

The key is understanding that the physical world is beyond subjective life, and emotional intelligence unfolds through self-righteous sensations. That is to say, something we all should understand is that information differentiates into boundless acceptance. What is the ego's role in all this? Well, the ego illuminates sub-empirical potentiality. The search for the inner self is the path to fundamental quantum external reality. Ultimately, once the search is complete, perceptual reality imparts reality to total mortality, alleviating the DPDR symptoms significantly. This is what the recovery process is all about, that fundamental reality unfolds into total acceptance of truth, which in turn gradually cures DP.

 

[fieldsmatt31]

Broken Fifth,

Your last comment seems silly to me. But anyways...

I say: LOOK, go on with your life and forget about this DP stuff. It DOES go away. It happened to me and many others. I believe it can happen to you too.

And that makes you mad?

Many people are unsure if they can ever be okay again. It is traumatizing for people, wondering if they have a serious mental disease? NO, they dont. YES, it does away. It goes away naturally.

Im only saying the same thing everyone else who recovers from DP says. GO on with your life, it goes away.

Ive seen it in myself and others that i know personally. And there are so many people even on youtube telling their DP story.

I give basic life advice that most people should already know. Improve your physical health, improve you mental health, and you improve your over all state of well being. Use these things as remedies to counter the struggle of DP and to gain perspective and strentgh to help you along your journey and to ultimately forget about DP. And go on with your life as you would without it and it goes away. Eventually, you dont even think about it.

No one can tell me thats not true. And you cant tell me DP is caused by "biological abnormalities". Its not.

You're not even making sense to me really.

You say in a previous comment:

"You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example. I browse this forum like any other forum. I'm not here for consolation or to commiserate."

But then you claim to be a decade long DP sufferer.

I dont think you suffer with DP. I think its behind you and you need to let it go already.

But why do you argue that it doesnt go away?

You just want to argue.

Like a child.

To be honest, I think you just need to grow up.

I cant waste anymore time going back and forth with you. Ill let you have the last word. I really just want to tell you to grow up and stop acting like a baby. And toughen up already. You're 27? Big boy now.

Stop holding on to your past suffering. You dont have DP. Let it go already.

 

[PerfectFifth]

"You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example. I browse this forum like any other forum. I'm not here for consolation or to commiserate."

But then you claim to be a decade long DP sufferer.

I dont think you suffer with DP. I think its behind you and you need to let it go already.

So a cancer sufferer who has accepted his fate that it's terminal, and not going away, doesn't actually have cancer either? If you actually paid some attention, you'd realize that I've been applying your "cure" for years now. I even explicitly told you that. I have accepted DPDR and "moved on", yet the symptoms persist. It seems impossible for you to grasp that point.

Stop holding on to your past suffering. You dont have DP. Let it go already.

It's great that you know exactly what I have and what I don't have and how I feel. You could make a career out of those clairvoyant abilities.

You just want to argue.

Like a child.

No, I don't want to "just argue", but I will surely argue when I see something worth arguing against. "Like a child", really? Now you're trying to condescend me. Great.

 

[Chip1021]

I give basic life advice that most people should already know. Improve your physical health, improve you mental health, and you improve your over all state of well being. Use these things as remedies to counter the struggle of DP and to gain perspective and strentgh to help you along your journey and to ultimately forget about DP. And go on with your life as you would without it and it goes away. Eventually, you dont even think about it.
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This is a perspective that I see a lot on here, and can probably be used to gauge the differences in various people's "conditions". What you say implies that DP only exists because the subject is thinking about it. But what is the "it" that we are referring to here?

Many on this forum, at least as far as I can gauge from the content of their posts, appear to be stuck in an OCD cycle. Their experience is not one of a total loss of self or a sense that external reality is distant and vague but they are obsessed with ideas such as whether or not solipsism is true, for example. They can't seem to just "move on" and except reality as it appears. For such individuals who deal with those issues, I would imagine that moving on with life (whatever that means for them) would deprive them of the obsessions that fuel their symptoms. I would also argue that such individuals are not experiencing DPDR, but rather a form of existential OCD, though that's certainly debatable.

Others on here, though, have a decidedly different experience. One that is independent of the content of their thoughts, anxieties, or activity level. There are many who do go out and live life like normally, but don't feel any rewards from doing so, and feel like automatons at work, with friends and family, etc. and still others experience such crippling visual and cognitive issues that they struggle to find the bathroom in their own houses and read or construct a simple sentence. Are they experiencing DPDR? I would say yes, and then some. But for those individuals, either they are "living life", but the experience is greatly reduced, or they are simply incapable of doing so in their present state. Hence, the presumption of a biological issue (a not unreasonable one, in my view), and a search for a "cure".

Personally, in my experience, the idea that DPDR exists only because I'm thinking about "it" is nonsensical. It is a way of experiencing the self and the world around me. "It" exists regardless of what my attention is focused on, or what activity I may be engaged in. If your experience differs, it makes sense to conclude that the condition from which I suffer is unique from that from which you suffer(ed).

 

[fieldsmatt31]

Id like to be clear what Im referring to as DP or what Im referring to as 'it'.

Im not implying that DP is an OCD like thinking habit. Feeling 'out of your body', detached, feeling as though you have 'lost your sense of self', feeling numb, not knowing who you are or what happened to 'you', confusion, crippling anxiety, a serious dullness of feeling and of the senses, feeling as though things are not real as if you are viewing them from a foggy window or something. Thats what Im referring to as DP. It seems to me that most, if not all, people experience this DP as a sudden shock of anxiety or loss of self. A kind of reaction to stress overload and/or exhaustion. Many people experience depersonalization as they have seemingly lost their sense of self. This can be very shocking to people and rather haunting, hence the OCD type thinking patterns. Therefore, I would only include the OCD type thinking habits as a symptom of DP or Deperonalization Syndrome.

But to be clear, Im only referring to that described above as DP. The process in which a person becomes de-personalized. The loss of or removal of the person.

There are people who complain about feelings of fogginess and dullness of things who suffer due to other underlying conditions that may not actually be related to Depersonalization Syndrome. In which case, in my opinion, wouldnt properly fall into a diagnosis of Depersonalization Syndrome.

And so you present a case in which there are differing conditions unique to each other. The later, a condition in which a person feels like automatons at work and in family life, unrewarded from living life, struggling to find the bathroom and/or to form sentences and things. But I have to ask, what is this person suffering from? I mean, what are the symptoms? Would that be a kind of depersonalization? Aside from not knowing where the bathroom is or not being able to form sentences, that sounds more like depression. Not knowing where the bathroom is or being able to form sentences doesnt necessarily fall into a description of depersonalization.

I just want to be clear.

Wouldn't depersonalization, by definition, mean a separation or process of removal of the person? In either case, I believe a proper definition of Depersonalization Syndrome and description may be useful in the discussion.

 

[eddy1886]

Broken Fifth,

Your last comment seems silly to me. But anyways...

I say: LOOK, go on with your life and forget about this DP stuff. It DOES go away. It happened to me and many others. I believe it can happen to you too.

And that makes you mad?

Many people are unsure if they can ever be okay again. It is traumatizing for people, wondering if they have a serious mental disease? NO, they dont. YES, it does away. It goes away naturally.

Im only saying the same thing everyone else who recovers from DP says. GO on with your life, it goes away.

Ive seen it in myself and others that i know personally. And there are so many people even on youtube telling their DP story.

I give basic life advice that most people should already know. Improve your physical health, improve you mental health, and you improve your over all state of well being. Use these things as remedies to counter the struggle of DP and to gain perspective and strentgh to help you along your journey and to ultimately forget about DP. And go on with your life as you would without it and it goes away. Eventually, you dont even think about it.

No one can tell me thats not true. And you cant tell me DP is caused by "biological abnormalities". Its not.

You're not even making sense to me really.

You say in a previous comment:

"You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example. I browse this forum like any other forum. I'm not here for consolation or to commiserate."

But then you claim to be a decade long DP sufferer.

I dont think you suffer with DP. I think its behind you and you need to let it go already.

But why do you argue that it doesnt go away?

You just want to argue.

Like a child.

To be honest, I think you just need to grow up.

I cant waste anymore time going back and forth with you. Ill let you have the last word. I really just want to tell you to grow up and stop acting like a baby. And toughen up already. You're 27? Big boy now.

Stop holding on to your past suffering. You dont have DP. Let it go already.

"grow up and stop acting like a baby"

Did I actually just read that??????

Narrow Mindedness at its absolute worst...

This is theclassic "pull your socks up" mentality....Its all in your head, You are your own worst enemy, You are just imagining it all..........Often referred to as "Stigma"

Very very dangerous advice to a person suffering from mental health problems.....

And then we wonder why people are taking their own lives.... I will tell you why - Lack of compassion and understanding and support from others with narrow minded views and opinions of mental ill health !!!!!

I suspect a Troll............

 

[eddy1886]

I think this space is becoming quite toxic tbh, the rudeness to people who come back to share their recoveries, and then people wonder why we don't hear back from some people?

I'm open minded to anything and everything causing this, and therefore anything can help. I know it's frustrating to deal with this and how easily others recover, but it could still help someone here, and we don't want to discourage others from returning here with their story.

We all agree with this...

BUT .......Not with the idea that there is a one size fits all recovery process OR the idea that you just forget DP and move on and it goes away...Because that is simply not the case for many people on here...

Persistently Insisting that just forgetting DP and "moving on" will cure it for everybody is absolutley ludicrous and will actually strip people of any hope instead of encouraging them...

Im sorry but the individual in question is just not seeing the bigger picture here and is trying to force an extremely narrow minded opinion on people who have alot more experience and knowledge of this condition than themselves...

This all started simply because I stated that his method of recovery WONT and DOESNT work for EVERYBODY...Of course the individual took my statement and ran with it accusing me of (and i quote) "Telling people that DP is INCUREABLE" .....

I have asked the individual in question to point out exactly where I have stated those words and he still cant show me...

As a result I will stand my ground and stick to my open minded opinions as regards this awful condition...

Please god the individual in question doesnt have to return to the site one day with his tail between his legs like so many others on here...And yes Ive seen many return after they claimed to have fully recovered previously...

And now I will be quiet because I sense Trolling at play and am wiser than people may think I am to be sucked in by it...

Over and Out...

 

[Phantasm]

Well, this seems to have come full circle. I've seen this argument acted out many times with different players over the years, but for neutral observers I think it's quite enlightening, and people can decide for themselves who they agree with.

Hopefully future posts can now go back to the OP's original question.

 

[fieldsmatt31]

DP goes away.

IT is treatable.

There are many remedies to help people.

And some people on here obviously like to hold on to their suffering in life and blow it up and make it more special and more severe then it actually is.

Tell them DP goes away and they get mad. Something is being taken from them.

People like to give their suffering a name and carry it around with them. It makes it important. It makes it special. It gives them an excuse. It provides them with identity. Victim mentality.

From the bottom of my heart. Dont fall for it.

You're a human being. A perfect part of the universe. If you don't know what you are, who you are, thats your responsibility to learn as it is for all of us. All of the hazziness and feeelings of DP go away.

 

[fieldsmatt31]

Eddy and Perfect Fifth,

Dont cry. DP isnt that bad. Just gotta toughen up a little, man.

Its so true.

It can be so much worse.

 

[yuri]

Eddy and Perfect Fifth,

Dont cry. DP isnt that bad. Just gotta toughen up a little, man.

Its so true.

It can be so much worse.

Just stop it. Your acting is pathetic. You claim to beaten DP but you haven't matured the slightest from it. You just acts like a troll trying to rile people up. If this is your idea of helping people you should really reconsider.

 

[leminaseri]

Only the people on here who have experienced chronic incapacitating DP can tell you how literally impossible it is to stop or alter the thinking patterns....

Anybody on here who has managed to "Think" their way out of DP has not had it in its chronic debilitating form....

The obsessive side to chronic DP is relentless and NO amount of positive thinking makes it go away...If that was the case DP wouldnt be an issue in any of our lives and we could just move along as if it never happened....That is simply not the case with this condition in its true chronic form...

Its basically the same as asking a person with schizophrenia to stop listening to the voices they are hearing...

I believe what you have actually experienced is your DP eased off with time...Which often happens for a certain group of sufferers...Of course they falsely believe that certain ways of thinking etc got them out of it...Thats just not the case...Not with true chronic incapacitating DP anyway...You CANNOT think your way out of true chronic DP...

i know you dont come into this forum for 7-8 months but despite? what you mean with „true chronic dp"? it sounds like „yeah man i have the true chronic dp and people who tells: i had dp for 6 years 24/7 and im recovered, no thats not true chronic it was only a delusion of 6 years with 24/7 dp-symptoms."

ridiculous

edit: it has very much to do with the mindset man. to victimize yourself, and always thinking like „fuck man, my life is fucked, im gonna be fucked for my whole life. im a poor fucked sucker on this earth" im very sure no one with this mindset will recover. and you said often your medication gave you a relief of 60 percent. well, for science, there is no medication for dp. and for science it shouldnt work for you. why it worked man?

edit2: i had 4 years of TRUE FULL HEAVY SUPER HYPER CHRONIC DP and i did it to recover with not thinking about dp. so its possible. and IM THE ONEBODY who did it with not thinking about dp and no it was not „just a slight form".

 

[Findmywayhome]

You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example.

Hey Im super late to the party. But wow, this debate was something else. The argument that unfolded on this thread is emblematic of the argument that unfolds within my mind when I ponder this disorder. I think you both make great points. I know this was made two months ago, but I have to address this quote:

PerfectFifth, wouldn't you argue that considering you, "don't give a damn" about your DPD that in some sense you have overcame your disorder? I assume you applied the method of moving on with your life and that has lead you to a state of indifference to your disorder. Now I know technically the symptoms never went away--not even a bit, but doesn't your situation support the idea of accepting and moving on with ones life will benefit them?

Personally, I am currently more or less squirming in anguish everyday because of my DPD. I fear my own consciousness, and I am terrified that my mind will degenerate to the point where it is ultimately deffective. I have accepted the possibility that my DPD might more or less stay with me for the rest of my life. So-- and I am no way undermining what you are going through-- I sincerely desire to be in the state that you are in; indifferent. Your DPD may have not gotten better, but YOU have gotten better, that seems like an accomplishment in my book; a lot of people are chronically debilitated from this disorder.

I like the quote from the Truman Show, "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented" and this sort of makes me understand how I might be able to accept this disorder like you have, but it has to stabilize.

 

[PerfectFifth]

Hey Im super late to the party. But wow, this debate was something else. The argument that unfolded on this thread is emblematic of the argument that unfolds within my mind when I ponder this disorder. I think you both make great points. I know this was made two months ago, but I have to address this quote:

PerfectFifth, wouldn't you argue that considering you, "don't give a damn" about your DPD that in some sense you have overcame your disorder? I assume you applied the method of moving on with your life and that has lead you to a state of indifference to your disorder. Now I know technically the symptoms never went away--not even a bit, but doesn't your situation support the idea of accepting and moving on with ones life will benefit them?

Well, yes, but I didn't really do anything intentionally; there was no method to my "getting over it." I just got used to it over time, but sometimes it still does bother me, especially when I need to do something that requires a lot of spatial awareness, such as playing sports.

It's a kind of a solution, but it's a soft solution at best because the root problem was never addressed. A deaf person can get used to being deaf, but their deafness still imposes limitations on their life, even if they're not bothered by, or most of the time even aware of, those limitations. I also don't think getting over and ignoring the problem is possible unless it happens naturally. If you're bothered by the symptoms, then you're bothered by them, and I don't think there's much to be done, though things such as Stoic philosophy may help with acceptance and perhaps speed up the process. In any case, eventually you probably do get used to it when it becomes your new normal. That's what happened to me, but sometimes I still get pulled back into it.

But to me this thing really is nothing other than some kind of malfunction in my perception systems, a perpetual feeling like I've had a few beers but only the fuzzy perceptional component. My thinking doesn't seem to be affected at all, at least to a degree where I feel cognitively impaired, nor do I have any obsessions, which seems to be common on here. I can't relate to a statement like "I'm afraid of my consciousness" at all.

 

[Findmywayhome]

Yeah, that makes sense. Id like to think that all the anxieties that stem from the disorder naturally fade over time; but there are quite a lot of people on here who deal with the same fears for months or even years.

I can't say cognitive impairment is really a problem. But to me it feels like their is a strong constant disruption in the continuity of my consciousness--for a lack of a better description. It's like im constantly forgetting everything that lead up to who I am, where I am, and what anything even is. Like I said, I want to think that these sort of symptoms are more temporary-- seeing as though Ive only had this for three months, but unfortunately that may not be the case.

"The key is understanding that the physical world is beyond subjective life, and emotional intelligence unfolds through self-righteous sensations. That is to say, something we all should understand is that information differentiates into boundless acceptance. What is the ego's role in all this? Well, the ego illuminates sub-empirical potentiality. The search for the inner self is the path to fundamental quantum external reality. Ultimately, once the search is complete, perceptual reality imparts reality to total mortality, alleviating the DPDR symptoms significantly. This is what the recovery process is all about, that fundamental reality unfolds into total acceptance of truth, which in turn gradually cures DP."

I have to ask. Did this quote mean anything at all, or were you just trolling. Or am I just too stupid to understand what this means. If this does mean anything, could you elaborate?

 

[PerfectFifth]

I have to ask. Did this quote mean anything at all, or were you just trolling. Or am I just too stupid to understand what this means. If this does mean anything, could you elaborate?

Lol, don't worry; it's complete nonsense. I utilized http://wisdomofchopra.com/ to come up with it.