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Its really unlike me to call people out but I have to. I go here occasionally just to check things out. I would like to make treatment and understanding of DP/DR more clear to people.

Eddy1886, doesn't fully understand what hes talking about when he says there is no cure. There totally is. DP/DR is totally manageable and treatable.

Also, the things said on this thread by Eddy1886 are very pessimistic, unhelpful, non beneficial, and not true.

I would encourage others to seek other sources for solutions rather then listing to Eddy1886.

Go to youtube and look up videos of people recovered from DP/DR. Its actually very possible.

People please, if you are having a hard time in your life and with your self dont try to give people false ideas that they are doomed just because you your self are having a hard time.
Your own view is very narrow. You seem to suggest meditation, hobbies and such as a solution. What if the condition has an organic, rather than a psychological, cause? What do you think meditation will accomplish in that case? I guess meditation and new hobbies can cure cancer and diabetes in that case too? Look, not everything is as black and white as you think. People with chronic DPDR don't benefit from what you say at all. I've tried exercise and nutrition, and it has absolutely no bearing on my DPDR. My current physical fitness is actually great, and guess what? My DPDR IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS BEFORE, FOR MORE THAN A DECADE!
 
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My advice to people with DP/DR is simple. Go on with your life. Stop treating your self as a patient with a serious mental illness. As hard as it may be, go on living as you would without it. And as is the case with myself and many others, it goes away.

The advice I give about exercise, nutrition, meditation, etc are all great remedies to help you go on with your life in a healthy manner and to ultimately drop the whole idea of DP/DR all together.

On the matter of you and a few others who claim that DP/DR is non treatable, I have to say you are completely wrong. You are simply expressing your own frustration that you have with your life and your self.

As far as having narrow view, the only ideas I reject here are those that suggest that DP/DR is a chronic debilitating illness that which cripples people and is unmanageable and which has no remedy. This is totally not true. Please, check your self to see if you are being narrow minded your self.

Anyone who reads this, please disregard these people who suggest that DP/DR is a long term illness which has no treatment or remedy. Do not buy into that idea, please. Its not true and it has no place in the group really.

Go on with your life in a healthy manner and it will go away. This happens to many people. More people grow out of this condition than those who do not. You can get lots of recovery stories on youtube.

And what if the condition is organic? What does that even mean? You must mean physiological or physical? It is true that physiology and psychology are interconnected. Its also obvious that DP/DR is both physiological and psychological. Any useful remedy for DP/DR would be to treat both the psychological and physiological health of the organism to enhance the over all well being of the individual.

That is not an outrageous claim as you suggest. It is true. Improve the over all well being of your self, drop the DP/DR cry baby bullshit and go on with your life. Toughen up and move on. That is your remedy for DP/DR. Like it or not.
 

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Its really unlike me to call people out but I have to. I go here occasionally just to check things out. I would like to make treatment and understanding of DP/DR more clear to people.

Eddy1886, doesn't fully understand what hes talking about when he says there is no cure. There totally is. DP/DR is totally manageable and treatable.

Also, the things said on this thread by Eddy1886 are very pessimistic, unhelpful, non beneficial, and not true.

I would encourage others to seek other sources for solutions rather then listing to Eddy1886.

Go to youtube and look up videos of people recovered from DP/DR. Its actually very possible.

People please, if you are having a hard time in your life and with your self dont try to give people false ideas that they are doomed just because you your self are having a hard time.
I would like to see just where abouts I have stated that DP isnt curable or treatable?????

You are sadly misreading everything I post....
 

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BTW If you have and know the cure or proper treatment for DP please share it with us all.......................

Or maybe guide us to your magical You Tube cure videos...

Contrary to popular belief I am never negative on here...I am a realist and only deal with scientific facts...

The fact is there is no one size fits all treatment or "cure" for DP...

And if you firmly believe just moving on with life is the true cure for DP I would like you to listen to the people on here who are currently in the throws of chronic long term DP.....Moving on is not possible for them...
 

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It is possible. Your input here seems very pessimistic to me and very unhelpful. Your input suggests that there are not known remedies to treat DP. There are.

I wouldnt take the time to reread anything you wrote because it isnt worth it. People may derive their own opinions.

But just from your last statement.

...moving on is not possible for them...

thats not true. and you wouldnt know. How would you know? You are not them and you do not know the future?

That is an example of you making statements that arent true and are totally not helpful. Many people recover from this.

Someone was talking with me and said that you made them feel hopeless and that you were scaring them. Because they felt doomed man. You are making it out to be worse then it is. Truly. And that was only one person in a short amount of time I give to being on here.

As an example that person shouldnt have to feel doomed by ideas that you are promoting, simply because the idea is not true. Its not necessary.
 

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My advice to people with DP/DR is simple. Go on with your life. Stop treating your self as a patient with a serious mental illness. As hard as it may be, go on living as you would without it. And as is the case with myself and many others, it goes away.

The advice I give about exercise, nutrition, meditation, etc are all great remedies to help you go on with your life in a healthy manner and to ultimately drop the whole idea of DP/DR all together.

On the matter of you and a few others who claim that DP/DR is non treatable, I have to say you are completely wrong. You are simply expressing your own frustration that you have with your life and your self.

As far as having narrow view, the only ideas I reject here are those that suggest that DP/DR is a chronic debilitating illness that which cripples people and is unmanageable and which has no remedy. This is totally not true. Please, check your self to see if you are being narrow minded your self.

Anyone who reads this, please disregard these people who suggest that DP/DR is a long term illness which has no treatment or remedy. Do not buy into that idea, please. Its not true and it has no place in the group really.

Go on with your life in a healthy manner and it will go away. This happens to many people. More people grow out of this condition than those who do not. You can get lots of recovery stories on youtube.

And what if the condition is organic? What does that even mean? You must mean physiological or physical? It is true that physiology and psychology are interconnected. Its also obvious that DP/DR is both physiological and psychological. Any useful remedy for DP/DR would be to treat both the psychological and physiological health of the organism to enhance the over all well being of the individual.

That is not an outrageous claim as you suggest. It is true. Improve the over all well being of your self, drop the DP/DR cry baby bullshit and go on with your life. Toughen up and move on. That is your remedy for DP/DR. Like it or not.
You have no idea what you're talking about. All you're doing is conjecturing and trying to push that as the truth and only solution. Do I know what causes DPDR? No. Do YOU know what causes DPDR? No. Could there be many different causes? Yes. Is there any confirmation that the illness we all here are suffering is even the same one? No!

Look, you're doing everyone a disservice by pushing this idiotic and narrow view. "Toughen up?" LOL. Really? This is just borderline trolling at this point.
 

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Usually the things we dont like about others are the things we dont like about ourselves...

I will probably be banned soon for being a "Prophet of Doom"........

But I simply refuse to be misquoted...

Now if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong and I will leave of my own accord...No need to ban me....I will simply apologise and depart...
 

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The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is.

It is very much understandable and treatable.

Im not trolling, silly.

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time.

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want to defend your opinioin.

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it.

Sorry man, move on with your life.
 

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The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is.

It is very much understandable and treatable.

Im not trolling, silly.

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time.

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want to defend your opinioin.

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it.

Sorry man, move on with your life.
You are talking about the moment when things start to fall in place. You start to understand and you can take slow steps toward something new. Then it becomes easier. But to get there. To get the insights and the aha moments. To get there can be really tuff and take really long time. Like you said you suffered for three years from DP. The way to move on with your life didn't come to you then and there right? It needed time to develop. Maybe you read some text or watch some clip that made things fall in place? It is the struggle to come to insights that is the hard one. And before that you cant just take someone else words as guidance. Change only comes from inside. You can get inspired from the outside, you can get help from the outside. But true change starts from the inside.
 

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The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is.

It is very much understandable and treatable.

Im not trolling, silly.

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time.

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want to defend your opinioin.

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it.

Sorry man, move on with your life.
Again I want to know exactly where I stated DP is untreatable or uncurable?????
 

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The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is.

It is very much understandable and treatable.

Im not trolling, silly.

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time.

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want to defend your opinioin.

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it.

Sorry man, move on with your life.
See, you're making wild assumptions here. You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example. I browse this forum like any other forum. I'm not here for consolation or to commiserate. I've already applied your so-called cure for years.

I've "just lived" for years, and yet the symptoms remain constant. You're trying to push your "one size fits all" approach to every person here, without realizing that:

1. not everyone might even have the same ailment because everything hinges on subjective verbal descriptions. What does, for example, "I feel spaced out" even mean? It could mean a million different things to different people. Also, many people construe "DPDR" as a kind of existential obsession problem, while others construe it as a collection of perceptual anomalies. Who's right? I'd say the perceptual camp is right because what is the difference between DPDR and simply obsessing about something otherwise? Where's the confirmation that subsuming these people under the "DPDR" category collectively is correct? What's DP, and what isn't? It's all just based on verbal accounts, and that's anything but reliable. This doesn't stop you in pushing your conjectural nonsense, however. You seem to think that you KNOW everything. No, you don't.

2. it may very well be chronic, at least in the sense that while it may not be incurable, the cause will never be found. You seem to be living in an universe where the mind is some magical source of infinite power that can cure anything in the body through sheer force of will. Sorry, but this isn't how this universe works. If you have an organic cause, for example insulin resistance causing diabetes, no amount of willing and hoping will do anything about it. Similarly, if your DPDR symptoms have an organic cause, no amount of "just forget about it, bro, and live!" will accomplish anything, other than perhaps help you cope with the symptoms.

I'm really, REALLY tempted to drop an ad hominem here, but I'll resist this time.
 
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Usually the things we dont like about others are the things we dont like about ourselves...

I will probably be banned soon for being a "Prophet of Doom"........

But I simply refuse to be misquoted...

Now if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong and I will leave of my own accord...No need to ban me....I will simply apologise and depart...
Well great. You confess that you dont know if it is treatable or curable because as you said " if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong". Your previous words in your previous comment were suggestive that there was no cure, in my opinion, by claiming that "...moving on would be impossible for them..."

Why is it impossible for them? Its not. Whats stopping them? Nothing.

Again, my point is simple. There is a solution. It is very much possible to improve your condition, improve your state of well being, and drop the DP/DR bull crap and move on with your life and grow out of it. People can very much go on to live happy and healthy lives. That's a proven fact.
 

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The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is.

It is very much understandable and treatable.

Im not trolling, silly.

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time.

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want to defend your opinioin.

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it.

Sorry man, move on with your life.
30 years of exercise, healthy diet, working hard, getting married, 15 years alcohol and drug free, I walk miles every day, I help countless alcoholics and addicts to recover, I have helped lots of people on here through very tough times...

Please do not tell me to move on with my life....

You know nothing about me....So please dont assume you do...Except the fact you can take my posts and twist them simply because I hit a nerve with you...

Never had to defend myself on here before but I will in this situation....Simply because I have done nothing wrong...

Honestly if anything I have previously posted is that bad you can go ahead and request me to be banned from the site...

I will gladly hold my hands up and apologise if I was wrong in any way....
 

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Like you said you suffered for three years from DP.
See, that's the thing. How is it certain that his DPDR is my DPDR? He read a bunch of verbal descriptions and thought to himself, "hmm, that kind of matches what I feel like". I did the same, and so did everyone here.

Now, despite this, the reality might be that we might actually feel VERY different because we're both relying on somewhat vague verbal descriptions. We're relying on SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION OF LANGUAGE. There's nothing empirical here. That is, in addition to other reasons, why it's beyond idiotic that he's suggesting that he knows exactly what's up and that we all here suffer from EXACTLY the same thing that can be cured in EXACTLY the same way!
 

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Ive made my point. I dont have anything else to say except that the symptoms of DP/DR are totally treateable. There are many remedies for this depending on the person. These symptoms that are DP/DR do go away. There are many remedies that are optional for a person. If anyone reads this just know that it can totally go away.

Oh, and toughen up. ;) Seriously.
 

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Ive made my point. I dont have anything else to say except that the symptoms of DP/DR are totally treateable. There are many remedies for this depending on the person. These symptoms that are DP/DR do go away. There are many remedies that are optional for a person. If anyone reads this just know that it can totally go away.

Oh, and toughen up.
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I think you were spot on with this comment, Yuri.

You are talking about the moment when things start to fall in place. You start to understand and you can take slow steps toward something new. Then it becomes easier. But to get there. To get the insights and the aha moments. To get there can be really tuff and take really long time. Like you said you suffered for three years from DP. The way to move on with your life didn't come to you then and there right? It needed time to develop. Maybe you read some text or watch some clip that made things fall in place? It is the struggle to come to insights that is the hard one. And before that you cant just take someone else words as guidance. Change only comes from inside. You can get inspired from the outside, you can get help from the outside. But true change starts from the inside.
Btw, I will just remind people that I can place individuals on post approval without warning if they are a frequent source of problems, and I do keep a tally. Always remember the golden rule.
 

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I think this space is becoming quite toxic tbh, the rudeness to people who come back to share their recoveries, and then people wonder why we don't hear back from some people?

I'm open minded to anything and everything causing this, and therefore anything can help. I know it's frustrating to deal with this and how easily others recover, but it could still help someone here, and we don't want to discourage others from returning here with their story.
 

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I purposefully intended to stir up a small fuss. Because I read some of these things people say, as mentioned in this thread as only one example, and I strongly disagree with what they are saying and how they say it and I wanted to make a point. You can remove me if youd like but what Im saying is true. It sounds harsh but its really not. And I want anyone who is like me and who has been traumatized with 24/7 DP for years to know that it does go away and there are many remedies to help you along.

It should be the first thing people see when they visit the forum. Got DP? Don't worry, it goes away. Here's what you can do to help. Here's some stories from people who have recovered. Here's some advice. Here's some video testimonials of people who have recovered.

Instead I see people telling other people, there are no known cures and people only find ways to cope. I see people saying things like that a lot. I see people arguing with other people who are being optimistic about the experience and who are trying to encourage people to improve their self. I see too often people being pessimistic and rude towards people giving advice.

Yes, Yuri is correct in his comment. It took me a long time to build up the courage to leave the DP and to live and move forward as I was with all of the fog, confusion, no sense of self, no identity, fear, crippling anxiety, and depersonalization. I stayed hidden away for years. I dropped out of college, I avoided having a job, and I stayed to myself as much as possible out of fear and as many people do. I could just barely speak but totally could not hold on a conversation with anyone not even my father. I was out of it. My father died and I became homeless for years. I got no pitty or relief from no one and I had to work on myself to build up courage, strength, and perspective as would anyone with or without DP. It was hard. People would be mean. I could barely even speak. It was very humiliating to be such a mess. But I take it in, accept it, work harder, and keep working on myself to improve myself and my ability to navigate through life peacefully and confidently.

Honestly, I cant see any better way for someone to transcend the DP experience, or move beyond it, except to accept it, move on, and work on your self.

If I had known that earlier during depersonalization I would have leaped. I would have at least tried to develop the courage to drop it and approach life without all of the identity, negative believes, behaviors, and baggage that comes along with the DP experience. I would have got a job or gone to college or gone on an adventure sooner. I wouldn't have given so much power to the idea that I was "sick". Like I said, I would have went on with my life as one would without the DP because ultimately, thats what one has to do anyways, at any point, if they wish to leave the DP.

And it gets easier. Thats why the advice is there to meditate, exercise, practice healthy eating and living. Because these things make you healthier and stronger and thus easier for you to navigate in your self and in the world as you would without DP. If your intention is true and you are serious about leaving DP it gets easier and easier and one day you will notice DP isnt even there and you no longer even give it any thought. Thats how it happens and not just for me but for everyone who goes through it. They just go on living and it goes away.

And thats exactly what I think people should know. It goes away.

The young gentleman earlier in the thread mentioned that he was suffering with DP for 10 years but at that moment wasn't troubled with DP. That lets me know that he needs to move on then. There are people who are traumatized 24/7 with this and who feel doomed that they have a chronic crippling mental illeness which is not the case. But why was the young gentleman here? To socialize? To argue that DP is unknown? To argue there isnt a remedy? To give people support? To reminisce?

I try to encourage people to go on with their life as they would without the DP and to improve their physical and mental health as a remedy to make their self stronger and healthier. It goes away. And they can totally go on to live healthy, happy, and fulfilling lives. But I say this and people want to argue that what im saying is wrong and that I dont know what Im talking about. Because its too hard to just go on living without DP. It is hard. But its not too hard. It goes away.
 
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