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i feel spaced out right now, but have a strange feeling that i felt like this before i got the dp/dr, so it'll get me out of it again.

but i advice not to drink alot of alcohol if you've got dp/dr.

hows everyone doing?
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alcohol ? poor man's anti-depressant.

I think the real concern is how we use alcohol to feel better, to change our mood. Its worked often beautifully for us as it has for much of humanity for thousands of years. A perfect, though temporary escape

REAL concern is that most normally adjusted folk drink when they want to, and then they forget about it, and then they run into a bunch of friends and they drink again, and then forget about it again

If we need to drink to feel "OK," if we drink excessively every day, if we drink alone, or in other words totally CRAVE it, then we have a problem. Actually we have two problems, DP/DR and the early progressive stages of alcoholism.

There's plenty of people on this site that probably have a drink or two a day and get drunk only when they're out with friends. This is normal drinking behavior. If we frequently drink alone, and its more like 5 or 6 drinks... This is not normal, healthy behavior.

The problem with a lot of us is the compulsive aspect of our illness. If we transfer that compulsiveness to drink or drugs, the result can be quite disastrous.

I treated my DP/DR anxiety depression for years with drugs and alcohol and the end result was that it left me a complete mess physically, psychologically and emotionally. My problems were basically untreatable because of my continuous substance abuse.

So I'd say there's no hard fast rule. Just examine your own drinking/drugging behavior and you'll get an idea of where you are at with it. Do you NEED it, do it excessively and then feel like crap the next day? Over and over again, broken record? Sounds like a problem. Do you get drunk with friends, laugh and have a great time and don't feel like crap about yourself the next day? That definitely doesn't sound like a problem at all.
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I think a possible answer JFT, is why does it work for everybody? I mean, why do people drink? I'd say beer is an acquired taste so, it wasn't our taste buds that kept us coming again and again. I think we're more similar with normal people in this regard than we realize.

Drinking removes social filters, we "relax" and say what we want (or sometimes what we regret.) It's a temporary euphoric, gives us an exagerrated view of ourselves and allows us to expand our social boundaries a bit. For many it gets us out of our head, out of our neurotic cycles, where we can "forget our problems." Zyprexa does not do this, nor any other psych med. And that's where the danger lies for those of us who crave it to an abnormal degree.

I don't think its too much of a head scrathcher because its been proven an exeptional escape route for humanity for millenia.

IF substance abuse is a real issue with us, then we must recognize that alcohol/drugs by nature are a temporary balm. THE greatest danger is that substance abuse is a progressive illness, and if you abuse, you will eventually get to a place where the drug no longer works for you. That's called "bottoming out" and its a pretty desperate place to be.

So, if you think you have a problem with drinking or drugs, there's a lot of help available out there. AA, NA, CA (cocaine) and MA (marijuana) are very helpful tools for many people, but not necessarily for all.

All I can say is that my life has completely turned around since I stopped using drugs and alcohol a year and a half ago. And for me there's a hell of a lot more to life than sitting in pub on a Friday night. I'm finally moving forward with my emotional and psychological development, finally beginning the healing process and recovering my life, and leaving DP/DR anxiety behind me for good.

The danger is if you abuse for the sake of self-medicating, your problem will stay exactly where it is. DP/DR anxiety grow to depend on the cycle of drug abuse and it becomes a snake-eating-its-tail kind of thing. Ouroborous. Very ancient metaphor for being stuck in life, doing the same thing every day and expecting different results.

Peace out
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Again, if its not a problem in your life, then its not a problem. If its affecting how you go about things, if your behavior is putting yourself or others at risk, then it would probably be best to address it.

Have you ever heard the expression "dry drunk?" Its certainly common for people to feel like absolute crap for years in sobriety. But the idea is that underlying issues have not been addressed. Hence, dry, sober, but still behaving like an addict. One way of putting it is that excessive consumption of alcohol and drugs is simply a SYMPTOM of a much larger problem, a problem with life and living.

If its a struggle, if you think you have a problem, you probably do. If you don't, if you get by fine, then great, lucky for you. I'm quite jealous actually, but that's just how it goes.
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