Discussion with God (Taken from bddcentral forum)

6911 Views 39 Replies 8 Participants Last post by CECIL, Feb 7, 2006

Sojourner

Discussion Starter · Jul 19, 2005

God: Hello You called me.
I, Me, Myself: Called you? No. who is this?

G: This is God I heard your prayers. So I thought I will chat with you

IMM: sure, I pray. Just makes me feel good. Actually,am busy now. In the
midst of something, you now.

G: What are you busy with? Ants are busy too.

IMM: Don't know. But i can't find free time. Life has become hectic. It's
rush hour all the time.

G: sure activity gets you busy, productivity gets you results. Activity
consumes time. Productivity frees it.

IMM: But I still can't figure it out. By the way, I was not expecting YOU
to buzz me on instant messaging chat

G: Well. I wanted to help you resolve your fight for time by giving you
some clarity. I wanted to teach you through the medium you are comfortable with.

IMM: Tell me. why has life become so complicated?

G: Stop analysing life. Just live it. Analysis is what makes it
complicated.

IMM: Why are we then constantly unhappy?

G: Your today is the tomorrow that you worried about yesterday. You are
worrying because the act if worrying has become a habit. That's why you are not
happy.

IMM: But how can we not worry when there is so much uncertainty

G: Uncertainty is inevitable, but worrying is optional.

IMM: but then, there is so much pain due to uncertainty.

G: Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional.

IMM: If suffering is optional, why do good people always suffer?

G: Diamonds cannot be polished without friction. Gold cannot be purified
without fire. Good people go through trials. With that experience their life
becomes better,not bitter.

IMM: You mean to say such experience is useful?

G: Yes. Experience is a hard teacher, though. She gives the test first and
the lessons afterwards.

IMM: But still, why should we go through such tests? Why can't we be free
from problems?

G: problems are purposeful roadblocks offering beneficial lessons to
enhance Mental Strength. Inner strength comes from struggle and endurance, not
when you are free from problems.

IMM: Frankly in the midst of so many problems, we don't know where we are
heading.

G: If you look outside you will not know where you are heading. Look
inside. Looking outside, you scream. Looking inside, you awaken. Eyes
provide sight, Heart provides insight.

IMM: Sometimes not succeeding fast seems to hurt more than moving in the
right direction.

G:Success is relative, quantified by others .Satisfaction is absolute,
quantified by you. Knowing the road ahead is more satisfying than knowing you
rode ahead.

IMM: Some times I ask, who am I, why am I here? I don't know the answers.

G: Seek not to find who you are, but to determine who you want to be. Stop
looking for a purpose as to why you are here. create it. Life is not a proccess
of discovery but a process of creation.

IMM: How can I get the best out of life?

G: Face your past without regret and live your present with confidence.
Prepare for the future without fear.

IMM: sometimes my prayers are not answered.

G: There are no unanswered prayers. At times the answer is NO.

IMM: Thank you for this wonderful chat. I'll try to be less fearful.

G: Keep the faith and drop the fear. Life is a mystery to solve, not a
problem to resolve. Life is wonderful if you know how to live.

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CECIL

· #8 · Jul 21, 2005

Scattered said:
There are plenty of people who are living in conditions that are so extreme that there is little to nothing they can ever learn about or grow from. People who are starving or victims of violence or oppressive governments or are simply in situations so dire there is no hope do not learn and grow.

Who are you to say there is no opportunity to learn and grow? The more extreme the suffering the more powerful the lesson. If they didn't learn this time, perhaps they will the next. Furthermore, we must consider this concept on a macro scale. What does the society/collective consciousness learn from the extreme suffering of these people? How can we better ourselves to ensure this kind of suffering does not repeat itself?

However if you're going to posit this idea then we have to apply to the most extreme and unpleasant situations we can think of in order to see if it stands in the face of reality.

A man loses his arms, legs, sight, hearing and voice to a land mine and spends the rest of his life in a hospital bed wishing to die. Is the lesson that life is pointless and we should all kill ourselves now, or is the lesson that we are more than physical?

There are a myriad of examples of good, strong, people who suffer and do not benefit at all.

Please site specific examples and your reasoning for why there was no rhyme or reason for the suffering?

This all comes down to a simple choice. We can blind ourselves with simple ideas that explain complex and often depressing situations or we can look at things as they are.

"Looking at things as they are" is exactly the reason we are in this mess in the first place. You see what you want to see. You create your own suffering.

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CECIL

· #19 · Jul 25, 2005

Wow, that was intense. I'm not religious, but I've been learning that there's limits to the logical mind (and it ultimately gets you into this problem of DP - overanalysing, controlling etc).

This is going to seem a little off topic, but bare with me. Take a science experiment (science being the epitome of our societies current logical minds) - you are investigating a particular phenomenon and you think of a hypothesis to test. But then you think of another hypothesis, and another and so on. The point being there is an infinite number of ways you could approach this particular problem. However, you will only choose one of these particular solutions - i.e. test 1 hypothesis. Testing that 1 hypothesis will further the research and so on until you have created a suitable model for the phenomenon (e.g. respiration cycle).

Now there's a few things that don't add up. Firstly, the scientific method dictates that hypotheses (and theories and laws) are only ever made to be disproven. That is, a hypothesis can never be proven, only disproven. Meaning that the whole process of science is only to approximate the actual workings of reality (because at any moment something could come along that disproves your particular "scientific fact"). The chemical formula you write down, with number of moles of each chemical etc. is never what is actually happening, only an approximation of it.

Secondly, there is a process of intuition involved. The scientist doesn't randomly sit down and test a hypothesis, then test another one at random and so on. The scientist looks at the problem and picks 1 hypothesis to test out of the infinite number using a process of intuition and deduction. This intuitive process comes before logic and mental control over the situation, yet it results in a logical and rational approximation of real phenomena. Science, however, overlooks this process of intuition and instead has designed itself to "filter out" all of the effects of non-mental, non-rational aspects of reality when constructing its approximation of reality. This is entirely counter-productive and counter-intuitive.

In other words, the logical, rational mind - the epitome of which is science - cannot in its current form fathom all aspects of reality because there are aspects that precede and even make up the logical mind itself. In fact, subjective experience of reality is AT LEAST as important and integral as objective analysing. Here is where this is relevant to DP, because the logical mind wants to inflect on itself and control its reality, which it does quite succesfully. Too successfully, because the result is a feeling of detatchment.

Now, look beyond your logical mind and see what you find. Pain, self-hate, fear - none of these things belong in the realm of logic, they are emotional and intuitional energies. You cannot control these things with the logical mind, you must let go of the rational and learn to rely on your intuition and emotions.

There is a point in there somewhere, I swear.

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CECIL

· #22 · Jul 26, 2005

Scattered said:
Its hard if not impossible for me to operate outside this confining box. I can only believe something that makes sense to me and something only makes sense to me if I have a reason to believe it...

You say it yourself - confining box. Your logical mind and your physical-only world-view is a meaningless, dead world. Yet you wonder why you have a disorder that makes you wonder if your life has any meaning or makes you feel as though you are not alive?

What does your subjective experience tell you? Not about god, not about religion, but about your life, your experience.

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CECIL

· #37 · Jul 29, 2005

Here's a spanner in the works. I have a science degree and I love science, so don't get me wrong, but science is in no way complete. In fact, its made itself as dogmatic as religions do, which means that in its current form it cannot advance in what I would feel is a beneficial way.

Renee DeCarte, the man largely responsible for modern science, thought up the idea of science after an angel came down from heaven and told him to. I'm serious - this guy claims to have had a vision of an angel and then goes on to make science.

The point being that even the inception of science itself came from a non-logical place (inspiration, in this case in the form of a symbolic representation of the voice of god).

If you want signs of god's existance, you need to believe it first. Seeing is not believing - believing is seeing. However, don't be fooled into looking for god in religions, because that is not god, that is humans using god to control other humans and to amass power. Look within yourself, trust your intuition. Pay attention to synchronicities in your life (those with DP have a head start in this, because we are already questioning our reality. Coincidence?).

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CECIL

· #38 · Feb 5, 2006

More food for thought:

Anyone every heard of the placebo effect? This is a medical term used to judge the efficacy of a medical treatment on a patient. Basically the idea is that in any given medical treatment, for any given disease, a certain percentage of people will get better if they believe they will. So in other words, if you give 100 people with, say, pneumonia a sugar pill and say "Here, take this, it will make you better", then maybe 50 of them will get better, while the other 50 will die.

In scientific tests they try to eliminate the placebo effect by not allowing the patients to know what treatment they are recieving and always having a control group that recieves a placebo.

Now here is where the problem lies. People get better because they believe they will get better. To me this does not demonstrate a random coincidence but instead the power of belief. If you believe something is true, it is. That is why all of your opinions are valid - your reality is 100% true for you.

However, the nature of belief is that its variable. You can change your beliefs and as you do this your reality changes too.

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CECIL

· #40 · Feb 7, 2006

Yes and you could certainly argue that it means a higher power has protected those people from illness.

Or, on the other hand and following on from what I was saying about the placebo effect, it may demonstrate their own personal power (belief) creating a positive effect on their bodies.

It's no secret that feeling healthy makes you healthy. There are scientific justification for this (increased serotonin levels, increased antibody production and so forth), but I've never been satisfied with a purely biological explanation. Changed do happen in the body, yes, but I believe there's an underlying cause for it. Body reflects mind reflects "Soul", its all connected

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