[livinginhell333]

whats the difference? aren't they pretty similair. i don't think i heard things or saw things only when i smoked that weed, a few days or for like a week i was paranoid, didn't sleep. saw things like in slow motion. things seemed either too big or too small for me, or like i was small or big, hard to explain, also like noises bothered me and some noises were like slow noises, like when listening to music it wen't really slow and sounded weird. and this was like for a week or 2.

 

[Guest]

You imbecile! you unleashed about 30 tons of anxiety into this room! You bloody fool you!

 

[Phill]

Johnny, I love how you measured anxiety in tonnes. Very clever. Not that i'm saying anxiety is good though.

 

[Guest]

The difference is you being on a computer, coming to an DP/DR anxiety support group to get support and asking the question, 'what is the difference between schzio and Dp?" A schizophrenic would do none of those things because they have absolutely no awareness to what is happening to them. You are different because you have awareness and you are obviously seeking help. Schizophrenics do not have the 'insight' to seek help for their problems, for they feel that nothing is wrong and they think that their skewed reality is valid. The main difference is 'insight' and that in itself is quite a difference.

 

[Guest]

Yeh schizophrenics do not have the insight....but then isn't it possible to suffer from mild psychosis/brief reactive psychosis/others and still be able to retain insight.....the reality is just more distorted.....

 

[Guest]

The difference is you being on a computer, coming to an DP/DR anxiety support group to get support and asking the question, 'what is the difference between schzio and Dp?" A schizophrenic would do none of those things because they have absolutely no awareness to what is happening to them. You are different because you have awareness and you are obviously seeking help. Schizophrenics do not have the 'insight' to seek help for their problems, for they feel that nothing is wrong and they think that their skewed reality is valid. The main difference is 'insight' and that in itself is quite a difference.

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about.

Schizofrenic people can be aware, and can seek help! A schizofrenic patient are not some sort of stereotype, there are many levels and sorts of schizofrenia. It's not just a question about if you hear voices or have hallucinations or are raving mad! Schizofrenic people can appear normal to the untrained eye.

 

[Guest]

there are different schitzo types, but a true schizophrenic does not know his reality is flawed and cant do anything about it.

 

[Guest]

Ok, the theory I presented in my last post has been preached at this website for years. I didn't just make that up myself. The place where I first read about 'insight' was dreamer's website. I think you are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about. I have honestly never heard of someone with schizophrenic having insight.

 

[kenc127]

I have heard of schizophrenics having insight while not in a psychotic state. When in a psychotic state, forget about it.

 

[Homeskooled]

Jbdk,
Do you have schizophrenia? What Kenc127 said is correct. You can, of course, have varying levels of insight into your hallucinations, but as a hard and fast rule, psychosis is a break with reality and reality testing. In between psychotic episodes, some schizophrenics have a hard time reconciling themselves with their illness, but some dont. Usually, with medication, a certain level of insight and acceptance can be reached. I've been around many psychotic people, and I speak from experience as well as book knowledge.

Peace
Homeskooled

 

[Guest]

And what about the prodromal phase, guys? Do the person who's going to develop sz knows that there is something wrong with him, or it's more like a descending journey into madness which is totally unconscious?
Sorry, it's just my worst fear speaking again :roll:

Tau

 

[Monkeydust]

And what about the prodromal phase, guys? Do the person who's going to develop sz knows that there is something wrong with him, or it's more like a descending journey into madness which is totally unconscious?
Sorry, it's just my worst fear speaking again

Some do, some don't. There's really no certainties with the condition as it is, well, quit odd.

From what I've gathered (and I'm no expert) the majority of people developing schizophrenia don't realise anything's wrong with them, since the part of the brain responsible for self-analysis often breaks down.

To be honest, Tau, there's no way to guarantee that you won't get it...there will always be the exception to the rule which you can look at to make yourself "fit" the case. You just have to learn not to care anymore.

I've pretty much come round to the idea that I might be developing it now, but I really can't be bothered to worry about it anymore.

 

[Guest]

or it's more like a descending journey into madness which is totally unconscious?

Here's the most important thing to remember: only NON-schizophrenics say things like "a descending journey into madness..." LOL..that is what we, normal people, IMAGINE psychosis to be - it's our phobia, our own deep seated annihilation anxiety that fuels what we THINK is the reality of psychosis.

That ain't what it really is.

It might be what (again, perfectly sane people) write for the movie promos "A long and horrifying descent into madness..." but it is NOT the psychotic's experience. To the schizophrenic, the move into a break with reality feels more lateral than descending. Talk to them later and they don't look back on their break as horrifying - it just was an event that occurred...it doesn't feel that otherworldly to them.

My mother was schizophrenic. I've talked with many psychotic patients, counseled some even (under supervisions, but nonetheless, it was just me and the patient interacting). They are NOT what we think they are (what we fear, our own phobias projected out onto what we fear is "madness")

 

[gem]

Has anyone seen the movie a beautiful mind. This is an illness but like many illnessess each one of us has insight to one degree or another. There is a big difference between what you are referring to and dp/dr.

gem.

 

[Monkeydust]

It might be what (again, perfectly sane people) write for the movie promos "A long and horrifying descent into madness..." but it is NOT the psychotic's experience. To the schizophrenic, the move into a break with reality feels more lateral than descending. Talk to them later and they don't look back on their break as horrifying - it just was an event that occurred...it doesn't feel that otherworldly to them.

Yeah, it seems that, at least in some cases, they don't really mind all that much.

I've had a friend, who I haven't much in these last few months, who admitted to hearing voices, and, one time when he'd smoked hardly any marijuana at all, was having outrageous hallucinations from no-where. I've got little doubt that he's probably, or is soon going to become, schizophrenic - but he didn't appear to peturbed by it all and actually seemed to want to "delve deeper" into the illness.

I'm starting to think that the utter misery that I and many others here are putting ourselves through with the extreme anxiety bred from fear of schizophrenia is actually, in some respects, worse than schizophrenia itself.

That might explain why I've apparently been subconsciously trying to go into psychosis these last few days. :wink:

 

[Depersonalized]

I've seen Beautiful Mind, great movie.

I sure hope DP/DR has nothing to do with Schizophrenia, however you can find some relations in the definition.

schiz?o?phre?ni?a - Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.

 

[Digitalbath]

i haven't been here for months for reasons i do not know... i'm not even sure if im getting better or worse but it seems i havent been thinking much of dp for a long time... though my actions and thinking are full of anxiety and fear most of the time... sometimes i think im loosing the insight you guys are tlaking about... there;s really no assurance of someone coming into schizo, we'll never know

 

[Phill]

No, Digitalbath, you're not losing insight, probably just a bit out of practice.
A little while back here and the insight will come back.