[Dragoon909]

Anyone find their dr and dp fluctuates throughout the day?

It's almost like follows the cortisol curve: morning seems to be worse, evening some better and night...some better, sometimes not.

Anyone else's fluctuate?

I think it's correlates to stress hormones, and how they rise and decline.

Just a theory.

 

[coolwhip27]

Yeah. mornings are worst, either the whole day stays fucked up or it improves a little. When I wake up it feels like I lost everything I built before I fell asleep, as if anything I thought I figured out was important. Which it wasn’t. In the realm of depersonalization there’s no such thing as gradual progression… you’re there or u ain’t

 

[Dragoon909]

Yeah. mornings are worst, either the whole day stays fucked up or it improves a little. When I wake up it feels like I lost everything I built before I fell asleep, as if anything I thought I figured out was important. Which it wasn’t. In the realm of depersonalization there’s no such thing as gradual progression… you’re there or u ain’t

Yeah they're rough sometimes.

Woke up and had to go out. Everything was so foggy and so emotionless.
Got some better, but definitely not the best.

And you're right! Everyday seems like groundhog day. It's like whatever you gain one day, by the next day...it's lost.

 

[coolwhip27]

Yeah they're rough sometimes.

Woke up and had to go out. Everything was so foggy and so emotionless.
Got some better, but definitely not the best.

And you're right! Everyday seems like groundhog day. It's like whatever you gain one day, by the next day...it's lost.

I’m so used to being emotionless/having to mimick emotions which is sad. What bothers me the most is the feeling of everything being so surreal. I guess that’s just what the “unreal” symptom is but it’s even worse when everything just feels… weird. Then it’s worse than just unreal…

Everyday I feel like I’m closer to death, which is true lol but it feels too close. I have thoughts of worry that my time here is almost done and I’ll never get to be fulfilled. Quite a common worry but still just irrational thoughts about it. Time feels like it’s ticking tooooo fast.

 

[Dragoon909]

I’m so used to being emotionless/having to mimick emotions which is sad. What bothers me the most is the feeling of everything being so surreal. I guess that’s just what the “unreal” symptom is but it’s even worse when everything just feels… weird. Then it’s worse than just unreal…

Everyday I feel like I’m closer to death, which is true lol but it feels too close. I have thoughts of worry that my time here is almost done and I’ll never get to be fulfilled. Quite a common worry but still just irrational thoughts about it. Time feels like it’s ticking tooooo fast.

The days mesh together for me. My memories are there, but feel like they're not mine.

I honestly feel as though I'm not in the world at its worst. I know I'm here intellectually, but my brain puts up a good debate. I have to really pace myself sometimes.

It's like Mt brain is wrapped in a blanket of fog, and the world seems bleak and lifeless. I see a tree, and there's no depth to it or anything that connects me to it.

Nature and so on is surreal looking. I also have hearing distortions...things outside seem louder. Derealization can make a person think some weird stuff about life, death and so on.
It's like being in another dimension.

I have had it so bad, I have zero thoughts and my brain is total flatline.

I can relate to about anything I've read here on this forum.

 

[coolwhip27]

The days mesh together for me. My memories are there, but feel like they're not mine.

I honestly feel as though I'm not in the world at its worst. I know I'm here intellectually, but my brain puts up a good debate. I have to really pace myself sometimes.

It's like Mt brain is wrapped in a blanket of fog, and the world seems bleak and lifeless. I see a tree, and there's no depth to it or anything that connects me to it.

Nature and so on is surreal looking. I also have hearing distortions...things outside seem louder. Derealization can make a person think some weird stuff about life, death and so on.
It's like being in another dimension.

I have had it so bad, I have zero thoughts and my brain is total flatline.

I can relate to about anything I've read here on this forum.

Yes, yes and yes. The best thing this forum has done for me is very simple. It opened my eyes to the fact that what’s haunted me isn’t unique to just me

I’ve had it super bad too. Ive felt completely lifeless so many times, it’s like being stuck behind a trap door and the more you bang on the wall to get out the more it closes in on you. I mean, that’s just how it feels. And with such profound desperation to feel better and never go back to that place. It’s hard to describe being behind your skull without feeling connected to the controls.

I have this problem with thinking that I’m doing something wrong mentally. Like I’m pushing the wrong buttons inside my head, firing off the wrong neurons. But that’s just another thought in of itself, I guess? This whole mind complex is so self defeating. Fucking shit seems like it never ends. I’ve tied a knot at the end of my rope a long time ago, I’m just still holding on

 

[Dragoon909]

Yes, yes and yes. The best thing this forum has done for me is very simple. It opened my eyes to the fact that what’s haunted me isn’t unique to just me

I’ve had it super bad too. Ive felt completely lifeless so many times, it’s like being stuck behind a trap door and the more you bang on the wall to get out the more it closes in on you. I mean, that’s just how it feels. And with such profound desperation to feel better and never go back to that place. It’s hard to describe being behind your skull without feeling connected to the controls.

I have this problem with thinking that I’m doing something wrong mentally. Like I’m pushing the wrong buttons inside my head, firing off the wrong neurons. But that’s just another thought in of itself, I guess? This whole mind complex is so self defeating. Fucking shit seems like it never ends. I’ve tied a knot at the end of my rope a long time ago, I’m just still holding on

How long have you had this?
Do you know what caused it?

I think for me, it's stress.
Yeah, the only thing one can do is go on about life the best they can.

 

[Diego]

Anyone find their dr and dp fluctuates throughout the day?

It's almost like follows the cortisol curve: morning seems to be worse, evening some better and night...some better, sometimes not.

Anyone else's fluctuate?

I think it's correlates to stress hormones, and how they rise and decline.

Just a theory.

Yes definitely, i heard a therapist saying that this is because when we wake up our ego, super-ego and id are completely distant of one another this happens because when we are sleeping our ID takes control of our ego (that is why when we're dream we usually dont feel any dp/dr because dp/dr happens in the ego) . So it takes the whole day to the ego, super-ego and id to get close of one another again.

 

[Dragoon909]

Yes definitely, i heard a therapist saying that this is because when we wake up our ego, super-ego and id are completely distant of one another this happens because when we are sleeping our ID takes control of our ego (that is why when we're dream we usually dont feel any dp/dr because dp/dr happens in the ego) . So it takes the whole day to the ego, super-ego and id to get close of one another again.

That could be, but at the same time, follow cortisol curve.

I felt like crap this morning, but slept good.

I was completely depersonalized this morning with tinnitus.

 

[Trith]

Yes definitely, i heard a therapist saying that this is because when we wake up our ego, super-ego and id are completely distant of one another this happens because when we are sleeping our ID takes control of our ego (that is why when we're dream we usually dont feel any dp/dr because dp/dr happens in the ego) . So it takes the whole day to the ego, super-ego and id to get close of one another again.

I wouldn't give much credit to this theory. It sounds like someone from a psychoanalyst orientation would say. Psychoanalysists have many theories about everything, and many theories for why we can't prove them wrong, but in the end it was shown experimentally that psychoanalysis has little to no efficacy as a therapeutic method.
Personally my DPDR doesn't vary during the day, it is there all the same as soon as I wake up. The dreaming state is very different from the waking state. For example, in a dream, we almost never use our phones, we can't switch a light switch off in a room, usually you can't read in a dream. Many things are different, but most probably because we just don't use different parts of our brain in the same way as in a waking state, not necessarily because of something logical like ego doing this or that.
Another thing is that it is weird to say that we don't have DPDR while we sleep, because dreaming is almost the ultimate DPDR, at that point we actually are not in reality. Some people say that DPDR feels like a dream, which means we know what dreams feel like and DPDR feels like that.
Also in DPDR we feel detached from reality and lost in our thoughts, but when dreaming there is literally no reality to feel connected to, we are literally in our thoughts and imagination.

 

[Dragoon909]

I personally think mine does with stress hormones. I think when stress hormones kick up, the brain goes out of equilibrium.
Stress, anxiety, panic...
Same hormones, synonymous.

 

[Dragoon909]

I wouldn't give much credit to this theory. It sounds like someone from a psychoanalyst orientation would say. Psychoanalysists have many theories about everything, and many theories for why we can't prove them wrong, but in the end it was shown experimentally that psychoanalysis has little to no efficacy as a therapeutic method.
Personally my DPDR doesn't vary during the day, it is there all the same as soon as I wake up. The dreaming state is very different from the waking state. For example, in a dream, we almost never use our phones, we can't switch a light switch off in a room, usually you can't read in a dream. Many things are different, but most probably because we just don't use different parts of our brain in the same way as in a waking state, not necessarily because of something logical like ego doing this or that.
Another thing is that it is weird to say that we don't have DPDR while we sleep, because dreaming is almost the ultimate DPDR, at that point we actually are not in reality. Some people say that DPDR feels like a dream, which means we know what dreams feel like and DPDR feels like that.
Also in DPDR we feel detached from reality and lost in our thoughts, but when dreaming there is literally no reality to feel connected to, we are literally in our thoughts and imagination.

In my dreams, I have no derealization or depersonalization. It's like I feel "normal".

 

[Diego]

In my dreams, I have no derealization or depersonalization. It's like I feel "normal".

me too

 

[Trith]

In my dreams, I have no derealization or depersonalization. It's like I feel "normal".

Do you mean that you actually paused in your dream to wonder how you were feeling, or is it just that you notice after the fact that the topic of DPDR just didn't come up in your dreams?

 

[Dragoon909]

Do you mean that you actually paused in your dream to wonder how you were feeling, or is it just that you notice after the fact that the topic of DPDR just didn't come up in your dreams?

I don't recall having much emotion in my dreams, but I do feel like things are real.

Hard to explain.

My dreams are so shuffled around about anything and everything...hard to describe.

One minute, it may be talking to a strange woman at a fruit stand in NYC, and the other on the beach with someone I know.
But these settings feel real, unlike when I'm awake.

So random, I know...

 

[leminaseri]

I wouldn't give much credit to this theory. It sounds like someone from a psychoanalyst orientation would say. Psychoanalysists have many theories about everything, and many theories for why we can't prove them wrong, but in the end it was shown experimentally that psychoanalysis has little to no efficacy as a therapeutic method.
Personally my DPDR doesn't vary during the day, it is there all the same as soon as I wake up. The dreaming state is very different from the waking state. For example, in a dream, we almost never use our phones, we can't switch a light switch off in a room, usually you can't read in a dream. Many things are different, but most probably because we just don't use different parts of our brain in the same way as in a waking state, not necessarily because of something logical like ego doing this or that.
Another thing is that it is weird to say that we don't have DPDR while we sleep, because dreaming is almost the ultimate DPDR, at that point we actually are not in reality. Some people say that DPDR feels like a dream, which means we know what dreams feel like and DPDR feels like that.
Also in DPDR we feel detached from reality and lost in our thoughts, but when dreaming there is literally no reality to feel connected to, we are literally in our thoughts and imagination.

okay and where are the sources for your claims? you complained about psychoanalists even though the ego theory doesnt have anything to do with that, and then spit arguments which arent backed with any scientific sources as well. my dreams and my sleep are far away from the „ultimate dpdr“.

and trith just because your dpdr is the whole day the same (you write this under almost every post) does not mean that others have to be the same. your dpdr is not the number one example and your experience is not central for the majority. if you say „my dpdr doesnt change no matter what i do“ then you need to seek the solution anywhere else. you probably get offended if someone says anything about his dpdr that doesnt match with yours. and im asking just why? the overwhelming majority of people with dpdr recover. there is a version of dpdr where i believe that the absence of the emotions (or the diminishing) makes it very very hard to make progress because we humanbeing need emotions for everything at life from the most little things to the big things. emotions are what humans diferrence from animals. but. i think the inability of feeling emotions have similar mechanics to having emotions either. because we wish to have emotions and it doesnt happen. but people with emotions often wish to not have them and they cant shut off either. so there is in my opinion anything in between of these two things what causes one and the other. it is a thought pattern. a deep (maybe unconcsious) thinking habit what makes us feel we cannot feel. but yeah i drifted from the topic.

trith if someones experience doesnt match with yours, dont get offended. this person may have done more right things than you that his symptoms change or get better. you need to admit that.

 

[Trith]

and trith just because your dpdr is the whole day the same (you write this under almost every post) does not mean that others have to be the same.

Wait, it's me who is saying that. It seems to me that this therapist made a general rule about how DPDR works, and it's me right now who is saying "just because you make one observation of DPDR with one person doesn't mean this is how DPDR works in general". Usually I don't feel we understand each other on this kind of topic.
Also, ego, super ego and id are a psychoanalytic theory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego ), read the first line: "The id, ego, and super-ego are a set of three concepts in psychoanalytic theory [...] ". I have seen the word ego being used almost exclusively in a psychoanalysis context or in a spirituality context, where it has a very different meaning anyway. Or in daily life when people say that someone has a big ego to say that they are arrogant, but it's not the meaning I understood in this post.
I can talk more about psychoanalysis only if you care, but I don't want this to turn into a rant for nothing, as I usually do when I talk about psychoanalysis.
But you are right about the fact that dreams are not ultimate DPDR, it's a wrong way of saying things, because it is not exactly the same. But a lot of people say that DPDR feels to them like being in a dream. Yet people don't feel DPDR when they are in a dream. What do you think about this paradox? But first, would you say that your DPDR feels to you like being in a dream? Perhaps not. But for me, DR means feeling out of reality, and dreaming is being out of reality.
Maybe I am totally wrong about (all?) this, but this is my answer so far. If you care to respond to this, I will respond again but still with the objective of not spending too much time on this as I usually do. Sorry that it's me who is bringing up this topic and also me who is saying this.

 

[Dragoon909]

I personally don't buy everything therapists theorize myself.

It was psychology afterall that labeled homosexuality as a disorder, when we know it's biological.

I've heard some pretty good quack theories.

 

[Trith]

I personally don't buy everything therapists theorize myself.

It was psychology afterall that labeled homosexuality as a disorder, when we know it's biological.

I've heard some pretty good quack theories.

I understand that. Personally I am ok with people making theories because sometimes they can help us understand things. But I don't like it when they sound too simplistic or pretend to have all the answers and at the same time have many red flags. Psychoanalysis [Warning: the rest of this post is only about psychoanalysis itself and its red flags and not about DPDR] is also the branch of psychology that said that for sure, autism is caused by smothering mothers (see Bruno Bettelheim or this), which caused them to build centers where they would lock away autistic kids from their mothers (and it was never efficient). A lot of psychoanalysts still believe that, you can even hear it defended on national radio here, even though we know today that autism is a developmental disorder that can be visible in the brain starting from brith... Or they would use packing (wrapping the child in a cold wet blanket), which has no evidence for its efficacy and was banned only in 2012 in France and is not "officially" practiced anymore, but there are still many therapists who believe that (but not in countries where psychoanalysis is a minority). My current therapist was defending it for example. A famous french psychoanalyst specialized in children, Françoise Dolto, also said that when a child is raped by their father, it is because the child seduced him, and we should tell the child that if it happens again it will be their fault (the child's fault), and many equally nasty things about incest ( link in french ) . And this is not annecdotal, she is very famous here and there are many schools and kindergartens named after her for example. I have also met another psychoanalyst defending the same kind of things. There are still many good psychoanalysists, and I have met some too and I they were very nice people, and not all therapists who label themselves as psychoanalysists actually use psychoanalytical theories (and I don't think all psychoanalytical theories are bad), but this just tells how rigorous the world of psychoanalysis is when it comes to verifying their own theories with observation and questionning themselves. Psychoanalysis was very popular in the 60's and was then mostly given up on compared to behavioral theories. But it is still dominant mostly in France thanks to a lot of lobbying (and Argentina). Other countries have mostly given up on it in the 80's.
About homosexuality, unsurprisingly, psychoanalytical theories are thought to be responsible for adding homosexuality to the DSM I and II ( p.22 here), and psychoanalysts where generally opposing the decision to remove it from the DSM in 1973 ( here ) eventhough originally Freud did not consider it a disease himself. Psychoanalysts stopped considering it a disease only 20 years later.
So, I did rant eventually.