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I am very angry at the moment. I applied for PIP (Personal Independence Payment) which is a disability benefit last year but didn't get it. I then appealed and it went to tribunal. Unfortunately, the tribunal refused me the benefit and I wrote to them asking for a statement with their reasons.

Last week I recieved the statement and the reason they have given me of refusing me the benefits have made me very angry. One of the reasons was that I mentioned to them I have depersonalisation and derealisation which is affecting my day to day life but they mentioned that there isn't any proof because my doctor hasn't diagnosed me with it even though I have mentioned it to my doctor. My psychologist mentioned I have the disorder on her report that tribunals read but it doesn't make any difference they want me officially diagnosed.

I have decided to take this further to the upper tribunal because all those reasons in the statement is utter bullshit.
 

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Further evidence that we are living in a society where doctors serve as the new preists.

Why do they need an official diagnosis from a doctor? The diagnosis does not say whether or not you can work (some on here work just fine, albeit without feeling and emotion, while others are so cognitively confused they can't find the bathroom in their own house some days).

I don't know where you live, but I was able to get my disability on my first application because I focused on convincing them that my symptoms were so bad that I couldn't reasonably perform any work. The diagnosis was completely irrelevant. If they do continue to insist that you need a diagnosis from a doctor, well, I guess that's where you'll have to turn next. Give your psychologist notes over to a psychiatrist who might be able / willing to verify it. That may take some looking around.
 

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Besides, having an official diagnosis won't "prove" anything to the tribunal, as doctors have no way to observe or measure your symptoms anyways. But most people believe that, or act like they believe that. Our countries are just run by a bunch of idiots.
 

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Thanks for the reply.

I live in Scotland and I guess it looks like the panel and judge I had at the tribunal were a bunch of awkward sadistic bastards who were trying their best not to award me the PIP benefit. I always thought that doctors couldn't diagnose DP/DR because they don't understand what it is.

All this bullshit is doing nothing for me except make me even more unwell. I don't know if I should just reapply and make a fresh claim or take all this bullshit they have given me to an upper tribunal.
 

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I don't know how all that works in Scotland....perhaps you could do some research...find out how the process works, how they make their decisions, and start fresh from there.

I know a lot of people, very seriously disabled people who have tried and failed and appealed many many times to get disability--even hired a lawyer, and always wondered why it seemed so easy for me. And I think it's because I persuaded them well that I wasn't looking for a handout, that I would prefer to work if I could, but I couldn't be a very good employee anywhere with my symptoms...and definitely couldn't work enough to live on. I never mentioned DP / DR, or Lyme, or any other illness I thought I had (I did mention anxiety and depression when they asked for diagnoses, but it was never anxiety and depression that prevented me from working...it's being spaced out, having cognitive problems, not sleeping well, getting lost, etc.). I would focus on those things. After all, if you know you can't work because of your symptoms, just tell them why. Tell them what things specifically are difficult for you (talking to people, reading and following directions, awareness of time and space, focusing on tasks for extended periods of time...), rather than focusing on this or that diagnosis.
 

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I told them all the problems I have with socialising, talking face to face to people, working and looking after myself and living a normal day to day life are all impossible with having anxiety, depression, panic disorder and DP/DR. I had medical evidence to back me up that I have seen psycholgists, been admitted to A&E emergency room and anxiety diagnoses but there was problems with some of the evidence and because I find it hard explaining things to them they accused me of contradicting myself about medication and the reason I find it hard to take a shower in the morning.

The strange thing is that the tribunal was also recorded but when they sent me the statement they wrote that they couldn't give me a copy of the recording which is making me think that maybe what they have written has contradicted with the recording.
 

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What a joke. I am in England and receive £300 a month from Universal Credit. I had a health assessment and was deemed unfit for work by their own measures (which surprised me tbh) and they said I have 'no work requirements'. So I see someone at the job centre once every few months and thankfully he is understanding of my situation and doesn't pressure me to find work. I should really be on PIP but know the process is long and drawn out and will be left with nothing in the meantime whilst that is being processed. So I have been on very little money for some time now. I would urge your Doctor to accept this diagnosis if it is confirmed by a Mental Health Professional in writing. If not, change Doctor. If it is confirmed by a Psychologist he/she has no place going against that diagnosis
 

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Yeah, it is a joke. The judge and so called doctors at the tribunal failed to realise that I am unable to concentrate on what they are asking me due to DPDR and feeling spaced out all the time.

They refused to acknowledge written evidence from A&E (emergency room) that I was sent there with panic attacks and instead they decided to go with irrelevant evendence from my psychologist who was totally useless and failed to mention in her report that I suffered panic attacks during the treatment and I was so spaced out I couldn't take in what she was telling me.

I should of had my welfare rights officer and a friend speaking on my behalf because a I am unable to speak about my illness due to the symptoms of DPDR and anxiety but they weren't allowed to.

This whole system is a total farce and the government, DWP and the tribunal are trying their best to stop people with mental health problems getting awarded benefits that they should be getting.
 

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That really is a joke. If being spaced out and unable to process what is being said to you is not disabling, what is? I guess people with back pain get it. Do they have to "prove" that they have back pain? How do they do that?

It really is absurd. Force people to torture themselves to survive, then wonder why the suicide rate is increasing? Must be that damn "depression" bug going around.
 

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The irony with these kinds of situations is that the people who genuinely need government assistance don't have the strength to fight the system to get it, but the shifty reptiles

taking advantage of the system do, and they win. That's how these things are set up.
 
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