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·just wodering if you think there is a correlation? and please,if you are not christian, or dont believe in evil and holy powers, dont respond cause arguing is the last thing i want to do..thanks
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·hey man i agree with you...and i also believe that mental illness can be from the demon possessing you....but the thing is , is that i am not close to God anymore, and i know that to stay close and be a true christian, yuou have to walk everyday with Christ...so i could very well be possessed, but i am so down to kick its ass out of me....for sure,
Most modern churches (except the Catholic church, which kind of keeps it in the closet as a sort of embarassment) no longer believe in the devil or demons. Rather, they think of them as methaphors for purgatory - or plainly speaking, life without the company of god.
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·actually most moderm churches DO believe on demons....united pentecostal church...most non denominational churches, assembly of God...apostolic....full gospel...
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·Throughout most of history there have been documented cases of demonic possession. The person would suddenly fall to the ground and roll and writhe. Their eyes rolled back in their heads and their necks twisted and their head looked like it was going to turn around completely (much like in the move The Exorcist). Priests tried to remove the demons, and often the person was saved. it was epilepsy. Humans love to ascribe something mystical and terrifying to something that is pure science. Beware.
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·It's much easier to compare the symptoms of illnesses to demons rather than explaining it as lets say your serotonin level is low and there are blockages in the synapses, im just using it as an example.
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Dear Robbie,
I dont think that most cases of DP or DR are any form of demonic influence, and eventhough I'm incredibly big on science, I'm open to the possiblity of things existing which I cannot touch or see or smell. In the Catholic Church, of which I am part, they do document the cases of exorcism (they have to), and there is an entire rite devoted to exorcisms, the rubrics of which date back to the 14th century. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Council for the Doctrine of Faith in Rome, recently updated the rite with the Pope's blessing. Exorcists deal with two forms - obsession, in which a person is influenced from the outside by a diabolical force, and possession, which is a total displacement of person's personality for long stretches of time. Earmarkers for being posessed are : (1) Speaking in a dead language, like Aramaic, which you cant possibly know (2) Having access to hidden knowledge (3) An abhorrence of religous things (4) Abnormal strength. These cases happen really, really, rarely, even by the Catholic Church's account. What is thought to be more common is the outside influence, or obsession. Generally people with troubled lives, troubled minds, troubled health, will ask for a blessing from an exorcist. But the best way to combat this is supposedly to have a good prayer life anyway. Being in a good place morally is the best exorcism. I hope this helps, and dont let it worry you too much.
Peace
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I dont think that most cases of DP or DR are any form of demonic influence, and eventhough I'm incredibly big on science, I'm open to the possiblity of things existing which I cannot touch or see or smell. In the Catholic Church, of which I am part, they do document the cases of exorcism (they have to), and there is an entire rite devoted to exorcisms, the rubrics of which date back to the 14th century. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Council for the Doctrine of Faith in Rome, recently updated the rite with the Pope's blessing. Exorcists deal with two forms - obsession, in which a person is influenced from the outside by a diabolical force, and possession, which is a total displacement of person's personality for long stretches of time. Earmarkers for being posessed are : (1) Speaking in a dead language, like Aramaic, which you cant possibly know (2) Having access to hidden knowledge (3) An abhorrence of religous things (4) Abnormal strength. These cases happen really, really, rarely, even by the Catholic Church's account. What is thought to be more common is the outside influence, or obsession. Generally people with troubled lives, troubled minds, troubled health, will ask for a blessing from an exorcist. But the best way to combat this is supposedly to have a good prayer life anyway. Being in a good place morally is the best exorcism. I hope this helps, and dont let it worry you too much.
Peace
Homeskooled
I'm with Homeskooled. We truly can't say that these things don't happen. The world is far too complicated for us to be so sure of ourselves that we definitely KNOW that this is true or this isn't. And science, it seems, often raises more questions than it answers. It's always surprising us.
I truly don't believe that any of us are "possessed demonically", but i wouldn't completely rule out us being under the influence of some "evil spirit" or another, for lack of a better word.
I know that sounds silly...but you never really know...
good thread...
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I truly don't believe that any of us are "possessed demonically", but i wouldn't completely rule out us being under the influence of some "evil spirit" or another, for lack of a better word.
I know that sounds silly...but you never really know...
good thread...
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My case of DP/DR has similar demon-possession symptoms, I think... my psych said in the past that the symptoms I experienced before would have, in the past, been classified under "demon possession".
For example, for the longest while, I would wake up with a "presence" of my father on my head (mind). A controlling figure... but on my mind. Couldn't get it out of my head. Still deal with it, to a far less extent. It was me, but wasn't me. My explanation, since then, is the fact that a part of my Self that couldn't deal with Him as a reality, totally repressed itself over time, and my narcissistic personality hid those images for a long while... But after I had my breakdown, and that repressed Self came back about, so did those emotions come with it.
Make sense?
Anyway... possession in that I truly felt that it dictated my existence in that it existed as a part of my consciousness for a long while, involuntarily. A theory is the repressed Self's only way to overcome such a possession is to get back its right to Life and what was perceivably taken away from it (freedom, etc), and there are I think different therapeutic approaches to that...
Anyway all conceptual.
For example, for the longest while, I would wake up with a "presence" of my father on my head (mind). A controlling figure... but on my mind. Couldn't get it out of my head. Still deal with it, to a far less extent. It was me, but wasn't me. My explanation, since then, is the fact that a part of my Self that couldn't deal with Him as a reality, totally repressed itself over time, and my narcissistic personality hid those images for a long while... But after I had my breakdown, and that repressed Self came back about, so did those emotions come with it.
Make sense?
Anyway... possession in that I truly felt that it dictated my existence in that it existed as a part of my consciousness for a long while, involuntarily. A theory is the repressed Self's only way to overcome such a possession is to get back its right to Life and what was perceivably taken away from it (freedom, etc), and there are I think different therapeutic approaches to that...
Anyway all conceptual.
I see it like homeskooled as well. And I won't discount anything until I hit the pearly gates and get the final word.
But a problem I do have with possession is the fear it causes people and the emphassis that is put on it by some groups. I ran in those circles you mentioned Robbie (Assembly of God etc.) becasue I went through four months of drug rehab at a Teen Challenge center which was run by Assembly of God. I was a real conundrum for them becasue of the dp/dr which they knew nothing about. Back then I thought it was lsd flashbacks They said without a doubt it was demon possession. This freaked me out, coming from a more subdued Catholic background. They proceeded to bring in a "broken" healer from New York and had a whole bunch of elders in a room and proceeded to "exorcize" me. When nothing happened (outside of some psysiological sensations I have never explained) they were again dumfounded. So they said I needed to memorize scripture in order to throw the devil out. So I memorized half the Bible. I left rehab worse in symptoms then when I went in.
I do not deny the presence of an evil force that can oppress, anything is possible. I just do not embrace it anymore. I feel my fear of such a thing made me worse, and my attention to it only caused hyperviglence to worsen, which worsened dp/dr.
We as dper's have psycyhological and neurochemical problems that need intervention of some sort. Almost all of us here look toward meds or therapy or nutrition or whatever as primary sources for help. Many look to God for guidance, spiritual comfort and even healing as they pursue these earthly routes.
And some look on it only as a war between God and evil. I look on it as human dilemna that needs much attention, and I will accept any help I can get,even God's, but I need to do my part too.
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But a problem I do have with possession is the fear it causes people and the emphassis that is put on it by some groups. I ran in those circles you mentioned Robbie (Assembly of God etc.) becasue I went through four months of drug rehab at a Teen Challenge center which was run by Assembly of God. I was a real conundrum for them becasue of the dp/dr which they knew nothing about. Back then I thought it was lsd flashbacks They said without a doubt it was demon possession. This freaked me out, coming from a more subdued Catholic background. They proceeded to bring in a "broken" healer from New York and had a whole bunch of elders in a room and proceeded to "exorcize" me. When nothing happened (outside of some psysiological sensations I have never explained) they were again dumfounded. So they said I needed to memorize scripture in order to throw the devil out. So I memorized half the Bible. I left rehab worse in symptoms then when I went in.
I do not deny the presence of an evil force that can oppress, anything is possible. I just do not embrace it anymore. I feel my fear of such a thing made me worse, and my attention to it only caused hyperviglence to worsen, which worsened dp/dr.
We as dper's have psycyhological and neurochemical problems that need intervention of some sort. Almost all of us here look toward meds or therapy or nutrition or whatever as primary sources for help. Many look to God for guidance, spiritual comfort and even healing as they pursue these earthly routes.
And some look on it only as a war between God and evil. I look on it as human dilemna that needs much attention, and I will accept any help I can get,even God's, but I need to do my part too.
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·wow Jft, i know exactly what you are saying, and i have felt/feel the same way. I used to go to assemble of God churches as well as other pentecostal churches. the thing that scared me was the demon talk cause i came from a catholic backgrond as well. i used to have panic attacks in church cause i was scared of the speaking in tongues and the way they worship God(the way i worship him now, cause being real is better than saying some monotone prayer that you have memorized) ....but the thng is that hollywood and our imaginations make demons out to be scary and such, but the fact is that we can put our foot over satan if we have Christ within us. i think we could very well be possessed, and it is very obvious that alot of us are definetly opressed. i am just willing to pray this evil shit out of my life man....we dont have to call the demon out or play "exorcist"...we just need to holy spirit to do some deep cleaning...and that means prayer, prayer, prayer.....man you are very intelligent JFT and thank s for your reply
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·maybe this is so because they cant find anything wrong with us when they do mri's, but why exactly is it that alot of us get it from drugs both legal and illegal, also today when i was taking a shower i closed my eyes, put my fingers over them and it was semi dark, then as i tried to focus the dark got darker and i felt as if i was actually inside a completely dark room, then i dont know if it was a hallucination but i could see a light at the end of the darkness and i tried to go towards the light by pulling on the darkness, as i got further and further the fear grew and grew until i couldn't take it anymore and opened my eyes and i felt my DP/DR vision and feeling went away 30 percent and i could see more clearly, it was very fun.
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Going along with Robbie's request of arguing being the last thing he wants...we are doing a great job of honoring that request.
I, too, have been involved at times in pentecostal, AoG and other non-denominational churches. Though I love the praise and worship, and usually the message that is presented...I'm just not going to go along with that "everybody else is going to hell and let's cast the demon's out" mind set. As jft wrote about, I'm not going to do anything because it is fear based. Fear, of some kind, is what got me here. I certainly don't think being threatened with fear is the way to get out.
I believe in believing. In this case, I believe we have a mental disorder. I believe that prayer and science can work hand in hand, as is being attested to more and more frequently.
It is the POWER of what works for each of us. You can be your own power. For many here, any other way of thinking isn't a happening way for them. I mean if you are an athiest or agnostic ( there can't be both, there can be both) none of this thread is going to work for you. It is in fact, all conceptual as Jason wrote. And that works for me, too.
So, Robbie, you work on praying this evil crap out of your life and I'll be saying one for you myself. Best wishes on making this work to the positive for you.
And Mods, yew hew, have we crossed over to the point where this would be better discussed in the Religious Thread forum (or whatever it is called )?
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I, too, have been involved at times in pentecostal, AoG and other non-denominational churches. Though I love the praise and worship, and usually the message that is presented...I'm just not going to go along with that "everybody else is going to hell and let's cast the demon's out" mind set. As jft wrote about, I'm not going to do anything because it is fear based. Fear, of some kind, is what got me here. I certainly don't think being threatened with fear is the way to get out.
I believe in believing. In this case, I believe we have a mental disorder. I believe that prayer and science can work hand in hand, as is being attested to more and more frequently.
It is the POWER of what works for each of us. You can be your own power. For many here, any other way of thinking isn't a happening way for them. I mean if you are an athiest or agnostic ( there can't be both, there can be both) none of this thread is going to work for you. It is in fact, all conceptual as Jason wrote. And that works for me, too.
So, Robbie, you work on praying this evil crap out of your life and I'll be saying one for you myself. Best wishes on making this work to the positive for you.
And Mods, yew hew, have we crossed over to the point where this would be better discussed in the Religious Thread forum (or whatever it is called )?
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Johnny Utah...what we won't do to "see" how we are doing and what is or is not wrong with us. :lol:
I'm telling ya, don't watch the water coming out of the faucet and running in to the sink. :shock:
Didn't your Momma ever warn you not to cross your eyes ?
Sorry, what you wrote cracked me up.
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I'm telling ya, don't watch the water coming out of the faucet and running in to the sink. :shock:
Didn't your Momma ever warn you not to cross your eyes ?
Sorry, what you wrote cracked me up.
terri
I thought about this too terriwithanasterisk, but the thing is, i have never once, to the best of my knowledge, ventured into that area of the board, and so would have missed this thread. And i imagine there are others like me. If someone else wants to move it there, by all means...but i hardly see the harm keeping it here, just for volume's sake.terri* said:
You know, if i wasn't tired and half in the bag right now, i'd like to post more on this subject. It's actually very interesting. I had a sort of religious experience during one of my first major dp bouts. And i had another very strange psychic experience during a hash binge. I'm often hesitant to speak of the former, because when i do so, it doesn't sound like that big of a deal, and of course in retrospect i look at it as though it was probably just the whirlwind of emotions i was going through. But at the time...it was incredibly powerful and comforting. i'll post more of this when i'm feeling a little more coherent. Damn good thread though...
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Robbie. I have an anecdote about tongues etc. My first night at the pentecostal drug rehab center they got us together and had a service and they started to sing in tongues and spoke of demons. Freaked me out so bad (I had just seen the excorcist the week before) that I lit out of the unit and ran away, but had to return becasue I was court ordered. But I learned to appreciate that kind of worship becasue of the emotion and dedication of the people and came to be comfortablw with it, even though I never had those "gifts"
I have four backgrounds. Raised Catholic, then Pentecostal, went to Evangelical theology school and now "up in the air" . All three look at evil influences in differing ways, but all attribute validity to some extent. Even the evangelicals are now acknowledging oppression, but they treat it less seriously than pentecostals.
Pentecostals intrigue me becase of the black and white, all or nothing war between God and Satan. It is a very "out of this world" view that many of course laugh at them for.
But they hold on and fight the fight, separating themselves from "the world". I respect this but again cannot embrace it for me becasue I see my immediate fight not against Satan, but against illegal drugs, alcoholism, poor family upbringing, heredity, genetics, neurological short circuits, societal ills, angst in the world, anxiety disorders, parental abuse, insecurity, lack of research for our malady and so on. All of these things lead to dp/dr, and evil may be a factor in how these things got to be in this world, but it is not for me to know. And I go with what I know for now. No more thoughts of possession, and if oppression is a concern I say do what the others said, to keep your spiritual side clean and the rest will take care of itself. In the meantime it is this earthly effort where my energy will go, and if I can ever get my faith in gear again, that will be engaged as well,side by side. Just becasue we are not all cured does not mean God is not there, and I truly do not think it is because Satan has "got us". I envy people with faith. I would give my left nut to have it. I am glad that you do.
jft
I have four backgrounds. Raised Catholic, then Pentecostal, went to Evangelical theology school and now "up in the air" . All three look at evil influences in differing ways, but all attribute validity to some extent. Even the evangelicals are now acknowledging oppression, but they treat it less seriously than pentecostals.
Pentecostals intrigue me becase of the black and white, all or nothing war between God and Satan. It is a very "out of this world" view that many of course laugh at them for.
But they hold on and fight the fight, separating themselves from "the world". I respect this but again cannot embrace it for me becasue I see my immediate fight not against Satan, but against illegal drugs, alcoholism, poor family upbringing, heredity, genetics, neurological short circuits, societal ills, angst in the world, anxiety disorders, parental abuse, insecurity, lack of research for our malady and so on. All of these things lead to dp/dr, and evil may be a factor in how these things got to be in this world, but it is not for me to know. And I go with what I know for now. No more thoughts of possession, and if oppression is a concern I say do what the others said, to keep your spiritual side clean and the rest will take care of itself. In the meantime it is this earthly effort where my energy will go, and if I can ever get my faith in gear again, that will be engaged as well,side by side. Just becasue we are not all cured does not mean God is not there, and I truly do not think it is because Satan has "got us". I envy people with faith. I would give my left nut to have it. I am glad that you do.
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·you see, i am not scared of this subject because i love God, and i believe in Jesus.....the thing is , is that its not fear that is gonna get us out of this, rather the love of God that will. Demon possession is rarely like the hollywood movies or the devil horned pics we have in our imaginations. it is a fight for our souls, and they are sneaky , deceitful , demons that pray on our weaknesses. Demons tend to attack you will propositions that pertain to the flesh.....illicit sex, violence, greed....ect....and these things , when entertained, bring us into a situation where we are feeding the fleshly desires and never find happiness...i know, cause i am there right now(slowly getting out , praise God) the only way we cn get out of anxiety and fear, and in turn produce GENUINE happiness, is by feeding our soul....we are good people, and i can tell many of you are genuinly good, we just need to feed that soul which craves thing of love, content, trust, and warmth,....we just need God..plain and simple....and the people that give up hope on God jst dont go at it the right way.....there is not a special prayer to be said, or a ritual to be done....just a relationship...God is omnipresent, meaning he is everywhere, we dont have to close out eyes super tight to get his attention(lol) when we pray. nor do we need to be in a church....we just need the creator of this world , moreover the creator of us to intervine....we are weak right now and cant do this on our own.....we need the protection of God to get the demons out of our lives...
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