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I am not Elliot. I am Trés.
No. I am not all the way out yet. I got rid of depersonalization and anxiety but not derealization. Most days I barely even notice and its more mildly annoying than anything else.
But mind you I only got on the CORRECT supplements 4 months ago.
No. I am not all the way out yet. I got rid of depersonalization and anxiety but not derealization. Most days I barely even notice and its more mildly annoying than anything else.
But mind you I only got on the CORRECT supplements 4 months ago.
DP/DR cannot be caused by nutrition deficiencies. That is a huge lie that is spread all over the internet. Please name me one single person who took a supplement and got rid of DP/DR. Stop wasting your money on expensive blood tests. I'm speaking from experience.
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What logic do you have to back that statement up? Here is mine:
Depersonalization usually caused by an anxiety disorder. You have anxiety till your epinephrine stores are exhausted (because fight or flight is suppossed to happen during near death experiences not all the time) and when those stores are exhausted your body makes the logical assumption that you are dying because that is the only reason you'd be using epinephrine stores daily. So to protect you psychologically from the horror of slow death your body depersonalizes. The question now is why the anxiety starts to begin with. It starts from an electrolyte imbalance. Thats why you calm down in the ER when they have you IVed to a saline solution. And if you dont treat your body well enough to give it enough sodium,calcium,potassium, and/or magnesium then what else have you been missing? The usual suspects are niacin(vit b3), b12, vit b3, magnesium, iron, and omega 3's.
But you'd rather believe its magic or psychological. Its physiological. You just haven't taken the time to understand the complicated human body. I have.
From listening here there are MANY people with mild to severe eating disorders taking random vitamins and herbs.Thats not what im advocating. Im advocating for teaming with an INTEGRATED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL (no normal doctor will do) and coming up with a gameplan.
If it didnt work for you then you probably did it wrong. If you need help im right here.
Depersonalization usually caused by an anxiety disorder. You have anxiety till your epinephrine stores are exhausted (because fight or flight is suppossed to happen during near death experiences not all the time) and when those stores are exhausted your body makes the logical assumption that you are dying because that is the only reason you'd be using epinephrine stores daily. So to protect you psychologically from the horror of slow death your body depersonalizes. The question now is why the anxiety starts to begin with. It starts from an electrolyte imbalance. Thats why you calm down in the ER when they have you IVed to a saline solution. And if you dont treat your body well enough to give it enough sodium,calcium,potassium, and/or magnesium then what else have you been missing? The usual suspects are niacin(vit b3), b12, vit b3, magnesium, iron, and omega 3's.
But you'd rather believe its magic or psychological. Its physiological. You just haven't taken the time to understand the complicated human body. I have.
From listening here there are MANY people with mild to severe eating disorders taking random vitamins and herbs.Thats not what im advocating. Im advocating for teaming with an INTEGRATED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL (no normal doctor will do) and coming up with a gameplan.
If it didnt work for you then you probably did it wrong. If you need help im right here.
You are just one of hundreds of wannabe-doctors on this forum. Please do yourself a favor and stop wasting your time and money on such weird theories (even though they might sound logical) and so-called "integrated health-professionals". And stop spreading fake news as if they were proven facts. It's all bullshit, believe me.
Depersonalization Disorder is a mental disorder, and as such it must be treated with psychotherapy and eventually medication.
Go to thousand doctors or other kinds of so-called "health professionals" and get your whole body scanned and your blood tested for every kind of mineral or vitamin. I guarantee you, it all has nothing to do with your DP and you will never be cured if you continue to believe your DP has an organic cause.
I know I probably cannot convince you. I remember I spent the first 2 years of my DP being like you and feeling like a little scientist that can disprove all the bad psychiatrists and psychologists claiming my DP is caused by emotional problems by doing my own research on websites and internet-forums (which are - of course - full of bullshit from all kinds of people). Your behavior is - by the way - very common for DP-sufferers. Try to be rational and listen to the experts like Simeon, Sierra, Michal etc.
I wish you all the best!
Depersonalization Disorder is a mental disorder, and as such it must be treated with psychotherapy and eventually medication.
Go to thousand doctors or other kinds of so-called "health professionals" and get your whole body scanned and your blood tested for every kind of mineral or vitamin. I guarantee you, it all has nothing to do with your DP and you will never be cured if you continue to believe your DP has an organic cause.
I know I probably cannot convince you. I remember I spent the first 2 years of my DP being like you and feeling like a little scientist that can disprove all the bad psychiatrists and psychologists claiming my DP is caused by emotional problems by doing my own research on websites and internet-forums (which are - of course - full of bullshit from all kinds of people). Your behavior is - by the way - very common for DP-sufferers. Try to be rational and listen to the experts like Simeon, Sierra, Michal etc.
I wish you all the best!
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Ignorance will always be stronger than reason.
If you want to believe some "talking it out" and synthesized pills will cure you then you keep on believing in magic.
Meanwhile I'll continue to spread the very reasonable and logical imformation that the human body has necessary components and when it doesnt recieve them there are adverse effects.
Your logic isnt even logical. Psychology is barely even a legitimate profession.
If you want to believe some "talking it out" and synthesized pills will cure you then you keep on believing in magic.
Meanwhile I'll continue to spread the very reasonable and logical imformation that the human body has necessary components and when it doesnt recieve them there are adverse effects.
Your logic isnt even logical. Psychology is barely even a legitimate profession.
You say it.
It is very well documented in the medical literature which symptoms are caused by which vitamin- or mineral-deficiency. Depersonalization/Derealization is not a symptom of ANY vitamin- or mineral-deficiency. Not even B12.
Please don't spend another 7 years googling and creating pseudo-scientifical theories and spending lots of money on pseudo-health-professionals. Please don't be so stupid!
Psychotherapy has nothing to do with magic or "talking it out". It has to do with changing your unconscious dogmas that underly your thinking and cause your dissociative symptoms. Again: Be rational and don't waste your time and money on bullshit! Please!
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Addressing dietary deficiencies IS beneficial to all, with or without DP/DR. If it has an effect on DP/DR severity WILL vary from person to person.
If you have iron-deficiency, you feel more tired and this will make your DP probably worse. Nevertheless, fixing the iron-deficiency will not cure your DP, because mineral- or vitamin-deficiencies are never a cause of DP. If you don't believe me, go to a doctor and spend lots of money to get your blood tested and then fix every deficiency. You will see that this will not cure your DP. I guarantee you.
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I don't think it's so smart to go around claiming there's a singular or certain, guaranteed cause for this condition when there's no verified data on that or anything else regarding this disease for that matter. Nutrition deficiency? Really? How can you be so sure that is the cause? It seems pretty damn unlikely to me because I've had it for 10+ years and I've tried every possible diet imaginable, to no avail. Even saying it's primarily caused by anxiety is a guess at best. That's not taking into account that there may be an actual physical problem with the brain or the brain's chemical balances, unrelated to the sufferer's mental state, that could be causing it. I don't think it's smart to view something as little-studied as this as such a clear-cut thing that is caused by one thing, and one thing only. That's being narrow-minded, and it's a damaging point of view when it comes to finding actual treatments and data about the disease because it may lead to misinformation and speculation of little worth being accepted as a truth after enough regurgitation.
I have no emotional trauma nor do I have any nutritional deficiencies (extensive blood tests have been done multiple times), and yet I have severe DR. My DR is also not proportional to any possible anxiety that I may or may not sometimes have. Those things already invalidate your claims that it must invariably be caused by the things you mentioned.
Please, for all of our sake, be more open. This "DP IS CAUSED BY X" needs to stop. No one knows what it's caused by. No one. If you really had as much common sense as you seem to think you do, you'd realize this and stopped spreading some hypothesis you came up with yourself after Googling a little as the ultimate cause for DP/DR.
I have no emotional trauma nor do I have any nutritional deficiencies (extensive blood tests have been done multiple times), and yet I have severe DR. My DR is also not proportional to any possible anxiety that I may or may not sometimes have. Those things already invalidate your claims that it must invariably be caused by the things you mentioned.
Please, for all of our sake, be more open. This "DP IS CAUSED BY X" needs to stop. No one knows what it's caused by. No one. If you really had as much common sense as you seem to think you do, you'd realize this and stopped spreading some hypothesis you came up with yourself after Googling a little as the ultimate cause for DP/DR.
Most people with DP/DR have never experienced a single emotional trauma. But there are studies which show that DP-sufferers have lots of personality traits in common. Also, DP/DR is quite often triggered by severe stress/anxiety or a panic attack. This (in my opinion) is proof enough that it is a mental disorder and is caused by unconscious emotional problems and thinking patterns which form your personality.
I recommend reading books and studies from experts on DP/DR instead of googling or reading bullshit in forums.
Again: I was a "googler" myself for more than 2 years, I tried every supplement, every diet and every weird theory you can imagine. Of course, it all did not cure me, because DP is rooted deep inside of my personality (and in yours, too).
I recommend reading books and studies from experts on DP/DR instead of googling or reading bullshit in forums.
Again: I was a "googler" myself for more than 2 years, I tried every supplement, every diet and every weird theory you can imagine. Of course, it all did not cure me, because DP is rooted deep inside of my personality (and in yours, too).
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America. Land of people that eat too much, yet are dying of starvation.
Its very simple.
We are animals.
We eat what the earth has provided us and what we have elvolved to eat. If you dont. Your body malfunctions. No feelings involved.
Thats how facts work.
Depersonalization isnt fixed with psychotherapy dumbass. Its a natural psychological defense mechanism. It happens all the time to people that experience physical trauma. The PROBLEM is that OURS didnt go away.
And why did it not go away?
BECAUSE WE ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THE TRAUMA.
That my friends is called common sense. Use it wisely.
People in this world have a tendency to complocate things till they're so abstract.
Nothing real is complicated.
Its very simple.
We are animals.
We eat what the earth has provided us and what we have elvolved to eat. If you dont. Your body malfunctions. No feelings involved.
Thats how facts work.
Depersonalization isnt fixed with psychotherapy dumbass. Its a natural psychological defense mechanism. It happens all the time to people that experience physical trauma. The PROBLEM is that OURS didnt go away.
And why did it not go away?
BECAUSE WE ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THE TRAUMA.
That my friends is called common sense. Use it wisely.
People in this world have a tendency to complocate things till they're so abstract.
Nothing real is complicated.
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You are what we call a statistical anomoly I guess.
How special.
OR.
Maybe you just dieted wrong like millions of people do. And "extensive" blood tests? Let me see how "extensive" they are.
All you nutritional athiests, wannabe buhddists, wannabe scientists are giving common sense a really bad name.
You want to act like you've got the answers? Shutting down my theory while bringing nothing to the table. YOU AINT GOT THE ANSWERS SWAY!
The only people stuck in DP are the misinformed (who I am sincerely trying to help) and the ignorant (who now have to humble themselves or be stuck in an echo chamber of their own pessimistic thoughts till the day they die).
How special.
OR.
Maybe you just dieted wrong like millions of people do. And "extensive" blood tests? Let me see how "extensive" they are.
All you nutritional athiests, wannabe buhddists, wannabe scientists are giving common sense a really bad name.
You want to act like you've got the answers? Shutting down my theory while bringing nothing to the table. YOU AINT GOT THE ANSWERS SWAY!
The only people stuck in DP are the misinformed (who I am sincerely trying to help) and the ignorant (who now have to humble themselves or be stuck in an echo chamber of their own pessimistic thoughts till the day they die).
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Nah, man, that's just a shot in the dark with no actual scientific proof to back it up with. It's a hypothesis you're bent on like a mad obsession.
"Bringing nothing to the table" is better than spreading potential misinformation. Just because X seems to be Y to you based on what you've seen on the Internet doesn't necessarily mean it is so. There's a difference between speaking of something as an absolute fact and suggesting a possible cause but realizing that it's still just a hypothesis, a proposition. You're doing the former, and it's a damaging attitude.
You saying I want to act like I've got the answers is incredibly ironic. No, I realize that I do not have the answers whereas you think you do, while all you're doing is pulling said "answers" out of thin air, or piecing it together from unverified information and/or random anecdotes at best, with possible confirmation bias in play, because it seems to make sense to you.
Honestly, I'm starting to suspect you're a troll. You calling others "wannabe scientist"? The irony is too much to bear. What you're presenting here is a scientifically unverified, unsupported hypothesis. If you claim otherwise, it's nothing but pseudoscience.
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