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From my understanding I believe DPDR is a result of the mind perceiving a constant threat. So in order for DPDR to be present there must be something that’s fuelling it. I think for the majority of people who suffer from DPDR there must be a reason for why it exists because I’m pretty sure that people who are happy who don’t have any underlying mental health problems don’t just randomly get DPDR.

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People can have depersonalization from medical issues. As for mental health, chronic depersonalization seems to have a "stuck on" effect. Whether or not it's stuck on due to underlying stress or anxiety I guess is open to interpretation. If you're still young maybe you can become a scientist and figure it out.
 

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i dont think so.
 

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I don't know about others, but in my case I think it comes at least partly from my past life experiences. But my impression is that most psychological problems where this was studied seem to be caused by a combination of nurture and nature in varying proportions.
 

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I don't like the "stuck on" theory. I'm more partial to the idea of chronic stress or deeply rooted trauma causing it. This may not be the case for everyone but I'm exploring the possibility that it's my cause. I don't think it's as simple as "you're just anxious and need to chill out" like a lot of "recovery nazis" seem to suggest, but anxiety plays a part for a lot of people.
 

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I don't like the "stuck on" theory. I'm more partial to the idea of chronic stress or deeply rooted trauma causing it. This may not be the case for everyone but I'm exploring the possibility that it's my cause. I don't think it's as simple as "you're just anxious and need to chill out" like a lot of "recovery nazis" seem to suggest, but anxiety plays a part for a lot of people.
I think depersonalization. if you conceptualize it as a problem, is a scientific problem. People can do everything in their power to heal themselves and live more wholesome lives and still have depersonalization, and we don't even know exactly what's causing it. This isn't to detract from the value of healing oneself and living a wholesome life, I mean if a paralyzed person doesn't give up on life then neither should a person who feels strange. It's also true that environment plays and important and ongoing role in many people's mental health problems, like Trith said.
 

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I don't like the "stuck on" theory. I'm more partial to the idea of chronic stress or deeply rooted trauma causing it. This may not be the case for everyone but I'm exploring the possibility that it's my cause. I don't think it's as simple as "you're just anxious and need to chill out" like a lot of "recovery nazis" seem to suggest, but anxiety plays a part for a lot of people.
it is not about what you like and dont. the question was if dpdr can exist on its own. what the fuck do all of this have to do with recovery nazis? you cant disprove someone who says „you need to chill out its is just anxiety“ maybe you fucking didnt chill out? maybe the person who claims that seriously did the right things and you for decades dont? can you prove otherwise?
 

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I have come to the conclusion that my DPDR is a symptom of my anxiety disorder that I have ignored for a long time. I have suffered with this anxiety disorder for 7 years and I think my mind has now had enough of this shit and that’s why I have DPDR 🤔
 

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it is not about what you like and dont. the question was if dpdr can exist on its own. what the fuck do all of this have to do with recovery nazis? you cant disprove someone who says „you need to chill out its is just anxiety“ maybe you fucking didnt chill out? maybe the person who claims that seriously did the right things and you for decades dont? can you prove otherwise?
So recovery nazis can just claim anything they want and then just say it's true unless disproved. Right?
 

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So recovery nazis can just claim anything they want and then just say it's true unless disproved. Right?
no. the question if dpdr can exist on its own doesnt have anything to do with recovery nazis.
 

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it is not about what you like and dont. the question was if dpdr can exist on its own. what the fuck do all of this have to do with recovery nazis? you cant disprove someone who says „you need to chill out its is just anxiety“ maybe you fucking didnt chill out? maybe the person who claims that seriously did the right things and you for decades dont? can you prove otherwise?
Yes, I can prove otherwise, not that I have the burden of proof for the reasons Peter said. My DP/DR's intensity is not linked to my anxiety levels. I have had moments where my DP/DR is nearly gone and these moments sometimes happen in very stressful situations. If it were as simple as "maybe you fucking didn't chill out" then that wouldn't be the case.
 

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I have had moments where my DP/DR is nearly gone and these moments sometimes happen in very stressful situations.
Interestingly, the only psychotherapy approach in the literature that ever yielded fast and remarkable improvements involved putting patients under stress while being under the influence of intravenous benzodiazepines.
 

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Yes, I can prove otherwise, not that I have the burden of proof for the reasons Peter said. My DP/DR's intensity is not linked to my anxiety levels. I have had moments where my DP/DR is nearly gone and these moments sometimes happen in very stressful situations. If it were as simple as "maybe you fucking didn't chill out" then that wouldn't be the case.
no no youre wrong
 

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I don't think we can prove anything either way, especially just us here on the forum. If someone says they have DPDR but they don't have anxiety, someone can always answer that maybe they do have anxiety but don't realize it (which can't be proven either). And if someone says that everybody who has DPDR also had anxiety, you could always argue that maybe they have just ignored all the counter examples, or explained them away because it didn't fit their hypothesis. Even in that paper, if that woman got cured from DPDR while having anxiety, it still doesn't prove it wasn't caused by anxiety, maybe for some unknown reason coming back to stronger anxiety could cure something caused by anxiety. I don't know why but I wouldn't be that surprised if it was the case. Who knows? My experience also doesn't make this clear for me, I am certainly not a serene person, but at the same time I have had extreme anxiety years ago and my DPDR did not get any worse at all compared to my best day. But who knows, perhaps DPDR increases with anxiety and then saturates at some level and stops increasing whatever the anxiety level? Or maybe it doesn't, perhaps it is not caused by anxiety at all but by something unrelated that occurs more frequently for people who have a natural tendency for anxiety and there would be a correlation without causation. Who knows?
Personally what bothers me is to pretend we know for sure either way. Literally anything is possible and there are many different cases with different symptoms. Clearly, some people have terrible anxiety, to the point they can't even work or leave their home and once they face it it all goes away. And at the same time some people never had this kind of problem, have a job, are not disabled by any anxiety, every day they are doing the very things that made the other person recover and more and they still have chronic DPDR. We clearly don't all react in the same way and it is clearly not the same thing for every one.
In my opinion there is no reason to forbid the exploration of one recovery way or the other. Which is what we do when we say that our way must absolutely be the right way and the others don't make sense. If each person does their own stuff depending on their opinion and come and report back on what helped them specifically, maybe we can learn more things and it can help someone. But I don't think we are going to figure anything out about dpdr that will work for everybody.
 

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Yes, I can prove otherwise, not that I have the burden of proof for the reasons Peter said. My DP/DR's intensity is not linked to my anxiety levels. I have had moments where my DP/DR is nearly gone and these moments sometimes happen in very stressful situations. If it were as simple as "maybe you fucking didn't chill out" then that wouldn't be the case.
If depersonalization does in fact "protect" people from emotional suffering your experience here would make sense. It's pretty clear that anxiety is one of the catalysts for depersonalization, but knowing this doesn't fully elucidate the relationship between anxiety and depersonalization, I say for the benefit of anyone reading this.
 

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Yes, I can prove otherwise, not that I have the burden of proof for the reasons Peter said. My DP/DR's intensity is not linked to my anxiety levels. I have had moments where my DP/DR is nearly gone and these moments sometimes happen in very stressful situations. If it were as simple as "maybe you fucking didn't chill out" then that wouldn't be the case.


All I know is this, when I’m extremely anxious or fearful my depersonalisation gets worse a lot worse. When I’m calm and not anxious my depersonalisation gets better and feels less intense.
 
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