[person3]

Hey, so I see I upset some people with my views. I was told that I was dismissing their pain. That definitely wasn't my intention.

I was aiming to shed hope on this condition. I've had it too. The worst of the worst. Thinking it would never get better. This board was my main hobby back then.

I didn't recover by any quick fix. I don't believe in those. It takes time. It took for me years of therapy and other things to turn things around.

My intention wasn't to be harsh, but to say that there is hope no matter how bad you feel. This is a curable condition and it does not have to be forever.

It is complex and everyone's recovery is different, but it can be done.

Apologies to those I offended.

 

[Alan]

It's OK, I think your intentions were generally good but the way you framed that entire post needed a bit more consideration and thought.

 

[person3]

 

[person3]

I understand your analogy. Whatever path you choose to recover, just know that you CAN recover. It's SO curable. It just is so terrible that someone would end their life before the miracle happens. And when you recover you'll realize just how possible recovery is.

 

[Chicane]

Isn't it kind of a given that you can recover though? I mean it's always theoretically possible, but most of us who have dealt with it for years aren't exactly holding out a lot of hope. It's a bit like telling someone with cancer (who is already diagnosed as being terminal) that there is always a slight possibility of recovery, always the chance of a miracle, etc. At that point though, they've more than likely already accepted their fate and aren't open to hearing it.

Don't get me wrong, I think you came from a good place, but this topic always winds up being so clumsy and divisive that it's rarely worth going into. I probably wouldn't have opened up this thread either, there's a reason it was shut down to begin with.

 

[HopingCat36]

Did you take medications to recover?

 

[person3]

Chicane- point taken.

Hopingcat- I took mess to help ease symptoms, but I don't think meds cure you. I think it takes a lot of work in terms of changing yourself (therapy, facing fears, etc.)

 

[eddy1886]

I just think that someone who takes there own life has reached their limit as regards the amount of suffering he/she could take...

Ive been close to suicide on several occasions myself.....I did actually want to die I just hadnt got the balls to do it myself...

If euthanasia had been legal back then when I was in that pain I would have taken the option and switched myself off painlessly....

I look at suicide in a different way nowadays (now that ive been through many years of mental ill health and suffering myself) I do not think its a cowardly or selfish act....I believe to pluck up the guts to take your own life means the person in question was in a place of suffering where they believed the only way to achieve peace was to end their own life...

Ive seen many young people around me take their own lives...And then the families are left puzzled as to why the person did it... " But he never told us he was feeling like that "....... Is what they say..............."Maybe you werent listening" ....Is what I say.............

Too many self centered people in the world so caught up in their own wants and needs that many others are left forgotten about...Its the way of the modern world unfortunately....When I was hospitalized in the psyche ward years ago I saw men and women that had been there years....Not even a visitor in months...Their families and friends had basically abandoned them.....Very very sad....

 

[Nadosa]

Indeed the suicidal mind is difficult to describe and to overcome. You just have to know that if the identification with the suicidal mind is too strong, there is unbelievably pain. You just don't know because everyone is conditioned differently. I am in that state and I wish I wasn't. My mind switched and suddenly, within one week, I had suicidal thoughts caused by my mind. It is torture because you see no way out of your thoughts.

 

[Chicane]

I think if someone is looking to help people, at least on here, it's best to dive into the more personal sections of the forum (how-I-feel, maybe the blogs as well). Tailor your answers insofar as what you think a person can realistically try. Even just a little commiserating or relating to someone on an individual level is effective. Send a PM, ask how someone is doing today. Sometimes just a very basic, personal connection can keep someone going a little longer.

Ultimately I think there's a kind of knee-jerk reaction to threads that are kind of universally hopeful, especially those that include blanket statements. It's not because it's bad to have hope per se, but it's the nature of the beast when it comes to this condition - hope tends to feel like a kick in the balls if you've had DP a long time.

 

[person3]

Thanks but I already clarified that point above.

I'm not trying to make a generalization...there are many individual paths to recovery, but hope is more likely than not. Is that a generalization?

 

[person3]

...and I'm not totally sure if I'm assuming...it's based not on my own experience but the general trend I've seen with many who have had success.

If that comes off as hurtful, I'm sorry.

 

[person3]

Ok, if that's how you view it, you may be right then.