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Anyone got DP/DR from Buddhist ideas and reading? When they reject the sense of self as seperate etc.? Even writing this makes me feel weird. Like no-self non-seperateness etc.? It' been a 1 year and I feel pretty stupid. I got DP/DR not by meditating, but reading Eckhart Tolle and other Buddhist stuff and my mind basically interpreted as I don't exists or the me doesn't exists. Because at some point they speak like it. I feel so frustrated, like what is their point, what is the meaning of doing such a thing? Like they say the "I" is illusion etc. what the fuck you say that? And they say we don't exists but our mind creates "me,mine" and attach those to the thoughts. Anyone else feeling angry to Buddhist stuff like these?
 

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I didn't get my existential anxiety from reading anything but I have heard of this happening to others and have heard Eckhart Tolle mentioned before. Basically, existentialism is a massive fucking waste of time someone elses ideas that you absorb as your own and give you problems. When I'm out of my crisis i will not waste another moment on esoteric and existentialism
 

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Buddhism and dp can be a bad mix. But the main problem, I think, is the fear of the Buddhist concepts when you are in such an ungrounded state anyway. I think anyone with dp has a deep curiosity of who or what they are and why anything exists. I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing when you are not in a state of severe anxiety. It's when the two are combined that problems can arise. This state is sometimes referred to as 'the dark night of the soul'. The main problem is the fear of the unknown - the shadow. You can deal with it by either ignoring it or by reading further into it and the fear will eventually subside and you will no doubt actually feel comforted by a lot of the concepts. If ignoring it helps your dp improve though then that is undoubtedly the way to go.
 

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All monks, yogis, sufis yearn to know the truth about our existence and demystifying the puzzle of life. They deliberately detach themselves from this world and it's reality and then share their experiences with the world.

I feel i can somewhat relate to the Buddhist philosophy and Sufism AFTER suffering from intense DPDR but i definitely didn't get DPDR by reading about Budhism or other religious texts. In my humble opinion, you need to have a lot of conviction and a vivid imagination before you can have DPDR just from reading texts. Otherwise all religious preachers/teachers/scholars would have it. Most of them are more "worldly" then the rest of us.

You are really unlucky to have gotten DPDR just by reading these philosophies. But there is no point in getting angry at those ideas. They have been around for centuries and will be here for time to come.
 

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Buddhism is all about connection to everything, to the oneness of life and detaching from one's ego so that you stop thinking about your own little problems all the time. It is a blissful way to be whereas dp is about disconnection from your emotions so the world feels unreal around you. The two are different but dp can sometimes be confused as some kind of enlightenment.
 

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Brothers I didn't simply got DP/DR by reading the texts. It was a misrephrasing on my behalf. That is complex, I also had C-PTSD all my life and abused by my parents and tried to do very weird shit to escape suffering. So it is also has a traumatic background. However, my final STRONG dissociation from my sense of self, DP DR caused by my intense anxiety and fear against what Meditation can do And what Buddhism aims to do, and what happens along the way. And against all that I tried to force myself to Meditate and progress even though my values contradicted with it, because it represented everything as the Truth, and it promised to full clearing of Past Traumas. But now I recognize I'm not ready for it.

I don't think you guys very clearly know what is the End Goal of Buddhist Path, and what Meditation is really achieving in its final goal. And what you lose, or change as a person.

So to a person with DP/DR, learning what awaits you on that Meditation Path, seems very stupid because the Insights they talk about is already what DP/DR is!

With knowing what it is, and trying to process in the Path because it will purificate your traumas and you will be healed. The mind creates very intense anxiety and defence mechanisms to Meditation.

Meditative Path is a not something like you just Meditate and everything just gets better and better. No, there's very weird changes will happen to a person. And I learned all of these from a very strong Meditation book. And it made me

My DP/DR got activated. Now I'm gonna switch to Stoicism and just use rational straight thinking. I'm not in a position to Purificate my traumas. When you start to Meditate, a deep buried subconscious material arises. These things are very unknown, but I found a very strong book which explains what really happens when the mind gets quitened.

Here's what it says about The Dark Night (Trigger Warning): (from the book The Mind Illuminated, By Culadasa, John Yates)

"ONE OF the great advantages of śamatha is that it makes it easier to confront the Insights into impermanence, emptiness, the pervasive nature of suffering, and the insubstantiality of the Self that produce Awakening.

Without śamatha, these challenging Insights have the potential to send a practitioner spiraling into a "dark night of the soul."1 This Christian term comes originally from the writings of St. John of the Cross, who supposedly spent forty-five years in this dark night. The term beautifully captures the feelings of despair, meaninglessness, non-specific anxiety, frustration, and anger that often accompany such powerful realizations.What is it about these Insights that can catalyze such strong reactions? Essentially, it's that these Insights completely contradict the "operating model" of reality that provides the logical basis for how our sub-minds perform their specific functions. Most of these sub-minds presuppose a world of relatively enduring and self-existent "things"-objects, events, people, and places-that have their own inherent natures, which can be comprehended with some accuracy. They also make the core assumption that a Self exists as one of those enduring things. This Self may be seen as eternal, or as something that will be annihilated at death. Another core assumption of all these models of reality is that happiness and suffering come from the interactions between the Self and this world of things. Gaining certain objects in the world will make "me" happy. Losing things "I" love or having to confront people or places "I" dislike creates my suffering. These three assumptions-that things exist, that I am a separate Self, and that happiness comes from the interaction between the two-are shared throughout this collection of unconscious reality models. They provide the foundation for our whole sense of meaning and purpose in life.
Anything that conflicts with these assumptions can severely undermine a person's sense of meaning and purpose. And the "true" nature of reality, as revealed through Insight experiences, directly conflicts with all these assumptions. Impermanence teaches us that there are no "things," only process. Emptiness means that all our perceptions-everything we've ever experienced as reality-are mere fabrications of the mind. Furthermore, the Self we think we are is as impermanent and empty as everything else. And lastly, the world is not the source of our happiness. Even though we may feel comfortable with these ideas at a conscious, intellectual level, when the deep, unconscious minds recognize them through direct experience, they can be severely disruptive.
It takes time for the unconscious sub-minds to assimilate these powerful Insights and create new reality models. Until then, the turmoil in the unconscious can create the despair and anxiety of a dark night. That these feelings arise from the deep unconscious for no apparent reason only makes things worse, leading some to even question their sanity. Nevertheless, intellectually understanding what's happening can provide some relief. More effective, however, is the joy, tranquility, and equanimity of śamatha. These pleasant states of mind provide an important "lubricating" quality that counteracts all this internal friction. When there's nothing else to cling to, in other words, these qualities of mind provide a palliative.
As Insight matures, individual sub-minds reorganize their internal models to accommodate the new information. A person who successfully undergoes this transformation possesses a completely new worldview. Life takes on a new and deeper meaning and purpose than ever before, and there is a much greater sense of ease, regardless of what may happen externally."
 

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The problem is within those Buddhist ideas and texts that, those people ALWAYS use negative and stupid wording. They say you're empty because you're not seperately existing, what the fuck that supposed to mean? I exists. Who gives a fuck if I exists with interconnection with my mother and my father or I born with cause and effect? They use everything to prove their OWN religion and philosophy. They would even say you were never there already or you had never sense of self ,because that is what their own philosophy tells them as the Truth, and they believe it because they claim to see these Insights and realized them within their Meditative practice. But these things are hindrance to normal people who seek to be just happy and not want to achieve nirvana and escape from samsara.
 

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I believe that if you thought yourself into being disconnected from the world, you can think yourself back into being reconnected, or maybe you'll need to have a life experience like helping someone in need or falling in love. This might go without saying, but don't try to think yourself into becoming personalized again. Try not to over-intellectualize, and remember to engage with the world in an authentic and natural way.

I felt DP from Buddhist philosophy, but it was always very hard to maintain that detachment. All it took was a single distraction and I would become 'personalized' again.

I don't agree with the interpretation that because your perception of self is illusory that your self must not exist. Your self absolutely exists, and then other parts of you exist too, parts we generally don't attribute to a person. It's None of us have 20/20 vision when it comes to looking at ourselves, and a lot of the ideas we have about ourselves are untrue. Our mind has protective factors to keep us from being hurt by difficult truths.

'Religion' in terms of magical thinking and metaphysical woo shouldn't be taken literally. For people who take it literally, it becomes like a contagious mind worm, like so many other dogmatic philosophies. We should engage with the world using sound reason.

The end goal of Theravada Buddhism is to stop being reincarnated and essentially die forever. Who would want to delve into something like that? Most people wouldn't want to, so Theravada Buddhists present their religion as a way to be free from suffering. It's like metaphorically drinking purple Kool Aid. "Wow, this is really delicious. I hope it kills me forever in one of my next lives."

TL;DR: you exist.
Brother I completely agree, I'm gonna focus on reading from Stoic Masters and focus on building my body and mind. Then I will try to find some girl, have sex or fall in love, and focus on what I like, instead trying to pursue so called Truth because Buddhism everything is suffering and only Nirvana is nothing. I'm unable to believe how I was stupid to believe those things when I had so many dreams.
 

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Bro I agree with you 100% my DPDR got started because of this bullshit and maintained. Well I got it from weed for a week then 2 months later it started again cause of philosophical shit. I hate buddhism it is cancer for mind. I hate it all. I hope it is not too late for us... I went back to God I cannot believe I was tricked to follow stupid eastern religion to get "truth" bullshit it is evil. Fuck it all. It just leads to suffering... exactly what it promises to stop.
 

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Anyone got DP/DR from Buddhist ideas and reading? When they reject the sense of self as seperate etc.? Even writing this makes me feel weird. Like no-self non-seperateness etc.? It' been a 1 year and I feel pretty stupid. I got DP/DR not by meditating, but reading Eckhart Tolle and other Buddhist stuff and my mind basically interpreted as I don't exists or the me doesn't exists. Because at some point they speak like it. I feel so frustrated, like what is their point, what is the meaning of doing such a thing? Like they say the "I" is illusion etc. what the fuck you say that? And they say we don't exists but our mind creates "me,mine" and attach those to the thoughts. Anyone else feeling angry to Buddhist stuff like these?
I agree with that stuff, yet it has no impact on my DPDR feelings whatsoever. This "self" that we sense that we are is just the conscious part of our brain activity, nothing more. Then again, my DR has absolutely nothing to do with cognition, or thoughts/thinking. It's exclusively a perceptual problem for me.
 
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